Have a new PC, installed Win98 after Fdisk & format of the
10gig HD. Installed a 2nd HD (properly set as Slave) in order
to transfer data files from it to the new HD. When booting,
the 2nd HD is seen, however after Windows loads, the 2nd HD
is not seen by Windows.

Hi;

Some more info would be helpful ie; what system/motherboard do you have?

Are the two hard drives from the same manufact.?

I assume that you have the 2 drives on the same cable set to master and slave?

Are the hard drives set to auto config. in the bios?

Is the second installed hard drive formatted?

If both are from the same manufact., such as quantum or maxtor, they have utilities that will help to properly configure the drives and allow you to set which one you want to be bootable, maybe even transfer the files from one to the other.

Are you planning to just transfer files, or the entire hard drive?

Also see the other post in this storage forum "Hard Drive Ghost"

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Be sure to set things right with mother BIOS.

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What's up with that?

Just a different thought for you,

If jam made from Strwberrys is called Strawberry jam,
Why is Jam made from Oranges called Marmalade not Orange jam.

Seriously though, I presume you have a jumper on your master HDD to tell it to be the master and a juumper on the Slave to tell it to be the slave, but sometimes if having two HDD on the same IDE you have a different jumper setting for master with a slave present.

Just something to check.

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Hello, I have a 30g Western Digital hard drive and it will not show up in windows. It is setup as the slave drive and the bios sees it but windows dose not. It is not formatted and I have information on it that I need. I have had the drive working before. I needed to format my master drive (witch to is a Western Digital drive) I formatted it and put windows back on and now I can not get the second drive to show up in windows. Please Help

System info: Digital 166mhz with 64m RAM running Windows 98

Have you partitioned and formated the second drive?

Win98 will recognize almost all the new hardwares at the bootup specially the HardDrives except if they are not partitioned

What are you talking about ziba-june, you don't need a partition for windows to recognize a harddrive ( well, you only need the primary actually )-i think you meant it needs to be formatted before windows will recognize it.

Dirkpitt you should really have started a new post instead of piggybacking on this one. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

But to help you with your question; you should have some software from either maxtor or western didgital that will allow you to move the old data from the slave to the new master. Check their sites out for info.

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iisbob , I think you are unclear about Primary, Extended, and Logical drives vs One or more physical harddrives. Anytime you add a physical harddrive to your computer, you need to partition it before you can format it.

ziba-june are you smoking someting!? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif You're sounding seriously confused on the subject of drives/partitions-let me clear it up for you.

You can install up to 4 harddrives on most modern systems; you must have at least one primary partition on a drive, you can add an extended partiton to the same drive and to the other drives with several logical drives, however, without a logical drive in an extended partition windows will not recognize that partition as a " valid " one.

i was building and working on computer's before there were HardDrives; when you loaded your entire OS from a floppy. I don't know everything about how harddrives operate, but you can bet i know enough on how to work with them and install them.

If you read my post clearly you can see where i'm telling you that windows doesn't recognize a partition in and of itself per se; only until it is formatted ( the file system laid down ) does windows say " hey, i've got another drive here ! " Doesn't have to be a physical new drive, could be just one physical drive divided up into smaller segments, hence the title " partition " fooling windows into thinking it has more drives.


Please actually read a post before you jump all over someone.

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Hey Thanks guys, sorry for the inconvenience. I think I solved the problem, sorry for piggybacking, I did not know how to use this program. I will remember next time I have problems.

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iisbob You are right when you said "you don't know everything about harddrives."

Next time you are working on a computer put a harddrive (unpartitioned) and boot up with a floppy. If you try to access the darddrive you notice the Win/DOS does not recognize the harddrive(does not see it). If you partition the drive, then booting up again you would see that the Win/DOS recognize the drive but can't access it. Now format it and it is available.


Point: Allways Partition then format New harddrives.

Regarding your comment about when you were working w/floppy OS, I should say you are lucky because you didn't come to the computer world when we had to work with the operating systems which were built into the computer and didn't even had a floppy.

Now Now girls lets stay nice and friendly, enough bitching at work i come here to mellow out with a bunch of friendly guys and gals.

We all learn something new every day, if any of us new it all we wouldnt be here.

If in doubt, just blame it on Bill Gates.

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Pete i apologize for this,but...

Ziba, you just don't read do you?! You don't have to have ANY partitions on a drive for it to be recognized on a system-especially by dos, don't believe me? boot with a startup floppy and type dir c:/, it will recognize the drive, but unless there are files on it it will give you an bad command or file nmame, BUT it recognizes the drive! Don't format a drive, and boot into windows, i'll bet you all the meager experiance you don't have that it will see the drive , but you won't be able to do a D*M thing with until you format it. So in practical terms it doesn't exist. But windows will see it. Partitions have nothing to do with windows recognizing a drive!


Quit diplaying your ignorance in this public forum and at least try to learn what the H*ll you're talking about before you open your mouth. You've done nothing so far but show your immaturity and ignorance.

I see young know it all's like you ever time we hire someone new or i go into a local retail store. Do yourself a favor and actually take a course on OS's, hardware and general PC subjects before you try to lecture someone on a subject you clearly have no grasp of.

Once again my apologies to Pete, Charles and the rest of you guru's-it's so dissappointing to see someone like this ziba character come in here and try to shoot down others who have forgottn more about the PC than he'll ever know.


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OK enough...

I'm looking at a black screen with 3 words on it.

Invalid Drive Specification

Why? I just deleted the partition. Therefore DOS sees no drive it can call C:. I think Windows would do the same, but I'm not about to build a computer tonight to verify it. As it is I had to open a working machine, disconnect C drive, (the only one in it, with win95 UP AND RUNNING) and add a smaller drive as Primary Master, so I wouldn't have to physically pull the existing drive to change jumpers to make it Master with Slave present. I ran fdisk from a DOS bnoot disk, deleted the Primary DOS partition, the only one, rebooted and tried to change to C: drive, and got the message typed above.

So...Yes, DOS and presumably Windows, will not recognize a drive with no partitions defined. BIOS will recognize it no matter what, as long as it's a working drive. If I rejumper the existing drive and let Windows load I'm betting it won't recognize the second drive either, because it has no partitions set up.

DON'T make me find out!

Once the drive is partitioned, and made active, but not formatted, (I just did it while composing this post) when using the DIR command on the drive I get the message:

Invalid Media Type Reading Drive C
[A]bort [R]etry [F]ail?

SO, if partitioned but unformatted DOS will see but not access the drive. Again I'm betting Windows will do the same.

The arguing has gone far enough, I want it to stop soon as possible. Furthermore, iisbob you have contradicted yourself.
What are you talking about ziba-june, you don't need a partition for windows to recognize a harddrive
Then:
You can install up to 4 harddrives on most modern systems; you must have at least one primary partition on a drive

I don't care how long either of you have been working with computers, as long as your information is correct and presented in a manner in which the readers can understand it, and WITHOUT THE BICKERING. I have only been working with computers about 6 years, but have dealt with both hard drive and floppy only systems, and in fact have multiple examples of both sitting right here. If I am not sure, or question someone's information, I do exactly what I did tonight, try to duplicate the situation. If I am unable to duplicate it I look it up by any means necessary.

In the future if you wish to argue with someone concerning the information they post, be prepared to post links to information that verifies your viewpoint.

In closing, Ziba-June is correct.
Next time you are working on a computer put a harddrive (unpartitioned) and boot up with a floppy. If you try to access the darddrive you notice the Win/DOS does not recognize the harddrive(does not see it). If you partition the drive, then booting up again you would see that the Win/DOS recognize the drive but can't access it. Now format it and it is available.

I just did it, if the drive is not partitioned, DOS does not recognize it. If it IS partitioned, but not formatted, DOS will recognize, but not access it.

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Sory about that Pete{/b] he got me so riled up i forgot myself, to clarify( and i did this on a system just a few minutes ago )

1) i took a system with 2 drives, [b]C and D, removed the extended/logical partition from D-DOS still recognizes it as a drive in fdisk, but it gave me the invalid drive file as i stated above when i tried the DIR. That was my first point earlier.

2) In windows it will not see the drive, on that part i concur.

3) i set both drives as primaries-just what i was trying to say in my first post was that it doesn't matter how many partitions you have, as long as at least one of them is a primary-or you can use two primaries ( on seperate disks as i did ) or you can have an extended partiton that must contian at least 1 logical ( you can have up to 26 ) drive for windows to recognize it.

4) It's common knowledge that without the drive(s) being formatted windows will not access the drive, that was the point i was trying to clarify when ziba jumped all my case with no provacation.

5) i may have contradicted myself earlier as i said i was kinda riled up, but i will NOT stand by and let some hack jump all over me without defending myself-i hate to se this forum degenerate into a flame war, but i won't be talked down to.

6) i've enjoyed my time on this forum, and have learned as well as shared a great deal of info-however, since i have caused such a ruckus i will remove myself from it's rolls-i will not get involved in a flame contest with some amatuer hack.

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Ok, now you're getting me riled up, should have left this one alone.

Ziba doesn't look like the one "jumping on" you, from what I see above it's the other way around.

The first post by Ziba in this topic was to ask if the drive had been partitioned and formatted. Perfectly logical question, and one that needed to be asked.

The next post, by iisbob:
What are you talking about ziba-june, you don't need a partition for windows to recognize a harddrive ( well, you only need the primary actually )-i think you meant it needs to be formatted before windows will recognize it.

The drive needs to be partitioned before DOS or Windows will recognize it, and formatted before either will access it. But a partition DOES have to exist before Windows will recognize the drive, contrary to your statement above.

ziba-june's response:
iisbob , I think you are unclear about Primary, Extended, and Logical drives vs One or more physical harddrives. Anytime you add a physical harddrive to your computer, you need to partition it before you can format it.[/b]

If you consider that jumping on you, you haven't seen me pounce yet...and the information is correct.

The response:
[quote]ziba-june are you smoking someting!? You're sounding seriously confused on the subject of drives/partitions-let me clear it up for you.

You can install up to 4 harddrives on most modern systems; you must have at least one primary partition on a drive, you can add an extended partiton to the same drive and to the other drives with several logical drives, however, without a logical drive in an extended partition windows will not recognize that partition as a " valid " one.

1. As stated above, ziba's information was correct.
2. It's beginning to look like you are the one jumping on someone.
3. How did Extended partitions and Logical drives get dragged into this? Nobody has said a word about either up until this point, except being mentioned by ziba-june as types of partitions. It's the primary partition we're concerned with as far as I can tell.

ziba's response:
Next time you are working on a computer put a harddrive (unpartitioned) and boot up with a floppy. If you try to access the darddrive you notice the Win/DOS does not recognize the harddrive(does not see it). If you partition the drive, then booting up again you would see that the Win/DOS recognize the drive but can't access it. Now format it and it is available.

Ok, getting a bit of an attitude here, but I suppose defending your position is acceptable, I would not have been a happy camper either, and again the information is correct.

There's where it goes to the dogs...
Ziba, you just don't read do you?! You don't have to have ANY partitions on a drive for it to be recognized on a system-especially by dos, don't believe me? boot with a startup floppy and type dir c:/, it will recognize the drive, but unless there are files on it it will give you an bad command or file nmame, BUT it recognizes the drive! Don't format a drive, and boot into windows, i'll bet you all the meager experiance you don't have that it will see the drive , but you won't be able to do a D*M thing with until you format it. So in practical terms it doesn't exist. But windows will see it. Partitions have nothing to do with windows recognizing a drive! ***by iisbob***

Completely invalid information. DOS and Windows will NOT recognize a drive with no partitions defined, period. You won't get a "bad command or filename" message, it will say "Invalid drive specification". See my post above. I won't even go into the rest of that post, other than to say it was unnecessary, confrontational, unprofessional and bordering on vulgar.

Then your response to my post...
1) i took a system with 2 drives, [b]C and D, removed the extended/logical partition from D-DOS still recognizes it as a drive in fdisk, but it gave me the invalid drive file as i stated above when i tried the DIR. That was my first point earlier.

Where? I do not see anything about an "invalid drive file" in any of your posts. I see "bad command or file nmame". And what IS an invalid drive file? I've never seen it on a DOS screen...

2) In windows it will not see the drive, on that part i concur

About time you admitted it...

never mind #3 it's too confusing...

4) It's common knowledge that without the drive(s) being formatted windows will not access the drive, that was the point i was trying to clarify when ziba jumped all my case with no provacation

And how is it supposed to be formatted unless it has been partitioned, which you said was not required for Windows to recognize the drive? It must be partitioned AND formatted before it will be recognized AND accessed by DOS or Windows.

5) i may have contradicted myself earlier as i said i was kinda riled up, but i will NOT stand by and let some hack jump all over me without defending myself-i hate to se this forum degenerate into a flame war, but i won't be talked down to.

OK, so now I'm riled up, and the flame war has already started...and I'm going to be the one who ends it.

DROP IT ALREADY

You have posted contradictory and incorrect information, unneccesarily turned this topic into a circus, tried talking circles around me and the rest of us, and only succeeded in getting my dander up in the process. And possibly caused the originator of this topic to decline answering, for fear of getting caught up in the mudslinging contest.

The information ziba-june posted was correct from the beginning. You had no business jumping on anyone, especially when their information was correct. If anyone jumps on another indivdual on this forum, I will be the one jumping, not you. If you have a difference of opinion with another individual, discuss it in a civil manner same as the rest of us do. When I step in and say that's enough, that's enough. Read the very first line of my previous post...Keep going and I'm going to pick every line to pieces...

Time to close this one, but I have one problem with that...Earl Partridge, the originator of this topic, has not replied. Therefore we have no idea whether it has been resolved or not, so I am forced to leave it open so Earl can let us know what's happening.

I will tolerate NO MORE confrontational comments toward any individual, don't even think about contesting what I have stated in this post. Check it for yourself, every word has been quoted directly from the posts in question. It's all here in black and white.

The nonsense stops here and now.
Conduct yourself in a professional, mature manner or take the nonsense somewhere else.



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