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sea69
01-26-2001, 09:25 AM
me again .. hi everyone......

Having BIG probs here of late w/ win98se.

My pc seems to be reverting too previous registry settings all by itself!!
This is very annoying!!

I am considering changing my entire OS from win98se to win95(B).

I hear of all these people w/ probs in win ME .. (I am almost amused)

My older pc/s ( of my own and others that I work on) all run fine and indeffinetely using Win95 (this is not the case w/ win98se!!

any thoughts??

win98se

Compaq- 7000 T-bird @ 800Mhz , 128 sdram, lalalalala

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Ghost_Hacker
01-26-2001, 10:03 AM
Hey Sea,

I don't remember if you reformatted your C drive before installing Windoze.( by the time you got a working boot disk I wouldn't blame you if you just said the hell with it and went right to 98's setup program.)
If you didn't then you might want to do that before reinstalling either 95 or 98.

By the way my vote is for 98se.

Good luck http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

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sea69
01-26-2001, 10:09 AM
hey "GH".(the artist formerly known as..........) lol http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif

that was a topic on the old 486 I was trying to RE-install win95 on.(succesful)

This is a totally diff 'animal'.

This is my MAIN pc... and was ok 'till 3days ago, when it seemed to begin inadvertently (of its own volition) changing its own registry to previous(non-appoved by me) settings!! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/mad.gif

This happens when I re-boot.

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Ghost_Hacker
01-26-2001, 10:26 AM
It sounds like scanreg which runs at startup is finding a problem with the register. When that happens it will restore a recent backup.


Try running "Scanreg /fix" from from a DOS command prompt.

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Scada's dead his ghost lives on.....

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Ghost_Hacker
01-26-2001, 10:29 AM
It sounds like scanreg which runs at startup is finding a problem with the register. When that happens it will restore a recent backup.


Try running "Scanreg /fix" from from a DOS command prompt.


Here's some scanreg links:
Q183603 (http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q183/6/03.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0&qry=q183603&rnk=1&src=DHCS_MSPSS_gn_SRCH&SPR=W95)


Q183887 (http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q183/8/87.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0&qry=q183887&rnk=1&src=DHCS_MSPSS_gn_SRCH&SPR=W95)

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sea69
01-26-2001, 10:49 AM
can't run "scanreg/fix" from with-in windows -doing a dos prmpt box.

Booted yesterday to "Command" and ran "winipcfg" and went back to a previous days registry... worked ok 'till I rebooted.......

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BigBlue66
01-26-2001, 11:01 AM
Howdy Sea,

I think you need to choose F8 or whatever while booting to get the options of Safe Mode, boot to DOS, etc.. So, choose 'boot to DOS', MS-DOS, or whatever.

Try that and then run Scanreg /fix.

Good luck.

Big Blue 66

mjc
01-26-2001, 11:05 AM
You didn't spill any of my coffee on it did you? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Does it do it every time you reboot?

I take you now have a copy of the registry set as you like it. If so you may want take and try running a registry cleaner on it. I usually run a couple of differnt ones because they each find different things and run them a couple of times each until they can't find any more invalid settings.
EasyCleaner (http://www.saunalahti.fi/tonihele/)

RegClean (http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q147/7/69.asp)

Of course keep a "good" copy.

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sea69
01-26-2001, 11:09 AM
hey BB_66 http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif

as 'funny' acting as this thing has gotten..

"If your scared.. Say your scared!!!"

everytime I reboot it changes.. gettin tired of these surprises!! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/mad.gif

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sea69
01-26-2001, 11:13 AM
mjc!!! hey http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif

no coffee now.. too stressed as it is..... (may do a *puff-puff*..lol)get the rest of the way confused.

I havent attained a registry (identified and approved) one yet.

I had not encountered this problem b 4. (always sometthing new.. just when u think ur ok....) http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

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Ghost_Hacker
01-26-2001, 11:31 AM
If scanreg /fix and the register cleaner MJC suggested don't work you can turn off Scanreg from running at startup.

Follow these steps:


You can disable Registry Checker so that it does not run automatically at
startup. To disable Registry Checker, use the following steps.

WARNING: Microsoft does not recommend disabling Registry Checker. This tool
automatically guards against problems that may render your computer unusable.
The symptom described in this article may be indicative of a larger problem that
should be identified and addressed.

1. Restart Windows in Safe mode. To do so, restart your computer, press and hold
down the CTRL key until the Windows 98 Startup menu appears, and then choose
Safe Mode.

2. Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, point to System Tools,
and then click System Information.

3. On the Tools menu, click System Configuration Utility.

4. Click the Startup tab.

5. Click to clear the ScanRegistry check box.

6. Click OK.

7. Restart Windows normally.


This is a last-ditch-all-else-has-failed option and not one I would do but I thought I give you the info.

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sea69
01-26-2001, 11:58 AM
well.... I am now connected(via dial up) @ only 28.8 and getting only ave.- of 24kbps!!

I cant stand this!!!!!! I have dsl (which now won't work due to this insanity, I have un and reinstalled DUN..

My old 486 w/ a 28.8 hardware modem is now FASTER than my new 800Mhz Ath-RT-bird!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


**ps**- if I 'dissapear' for more than an hour.. u can guess why..(cant connect at all)
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Ghost_Hacker
01-26-2001, 12:16 PM
Sea,

Try booting to DOS and run "scanreg /restore" this will display a list of backups of the register. Choose one and the register wil be restored to that point in time.

This will work only if scanreg has not already overwritten the last five backups with the "bad" one you now have.

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Scada's dead his ghost lives on.....

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Randy_tx
01-26-2001, 02:10 PM
If you can get on the Internet go to Trend Micro Housecall and scan your computer for a virus.........It really sounds like you could have one....Win 98 SE is as solid as MS can do it IMO.

sea69
01-26-2001, 02:16 PM
have run Mcaffee, and pcpitstop, whats the 'addy' for this 'housecall'??

**note: I have "303 invalid registry entries" - according to "EasyClean"**

do I delete all of them ??

*BTW- I nuked my winpoet and re-installed everything and so far my DSL is working (slow @ 575kbps) but beats the s**t outta dail up!!!!

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Ghost_Hacker
01-26-2001, 04:41 PM
I think Regclean will do the clean up for you without prompting. But I'm not sure since it's been a long time since I used it.



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sea69
01-26-2001, 06:09 PM
all is well now http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I'm up and running @ (minimum) of 711kbps !! whooooooo hooooooo..(lol)

**but the 303 still r there.. do I get rid of them>???

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Ghost_Hacker
01-26-2001, 06:56 PM
I say if it's running fine then leave them there.

But if you want to remove them then make a backup of the register first.
Just copy system.dat,user.dat,system.ini and win.ini to a safe place.
(those are the same files that scanreg makes backups of.)

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mjc
01-26-2001, 07:35 PM
Make the backup and take a quick look I bet alot of 303 are ones for programs that you've unistalled. They should be safe to get rid of. I have one game thet keeps trying to put A3D support on my machine (I think finally I've got it set so it won't) and I keep deleting those keys because with them in I get random hangs. RegClean finds them and kills all automatically. EasyCleaner can be set to ignore certain apps (Norton for one) because they contain keys that look bad but aren't. The worst I've had with one of those type programs is needing to reinstall it (until I found which ones). I saw a slight performance boost when first got rid of a whole bunch of dead keys. You can also get rid of alot of deadwood by booting into DOS and typing scanreg /opt. That will shrink the registry by getting rid all the empty space (keys that contain things like names of uninstalled stuff, absolutely nothing or just meaningless junk that Windows knows it doesn't need (very little of that))

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Bmcdanold
01-29-2001, 12:06 AM
Just curious....can you just do a fresh clean start from scratch reinstall? My vote is for Win98se or Redhat 6.2

sea69
01-29-2001, 12:43 AM
Hi

Yes, of course I could do that, but I was only looking to improve what I have. My system is very fast, and for the most part really stable and reliable, I couldnt be happier (especially when I get on someone elses pc and then come back to my own) http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I have done alot of 'trial and error' changes and 'tweaks' to this pc (most for the better), and Im always looking to improve on what I have. At this point I have no need to upgrade anything, just make what I have optimized to top efficiencey.

I must be one of the fortunate ones because this Compaq Athlon T-Bird, 128 sdram, win98se, is the fastest most stable machine I have ever had the pleasure to own or operate. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif

**the only problems that have occured are ones that were a result of my own actions, usually due to a change I have made. I am online 96% of the time, I run weekly scandisk and defrag, have innoculate and zonealarm, and all apps/programs run smooth clean and fast, including camera apps, dvd,cd-rw,mic, mail and communications app's all running together at the same time.. very nice !**

all is well now .. very much so.. thanks to all!!

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sea69
01-29-2001, 02:34 PM
.............I am thinking of adding a 2nd OS ( NT )... any comments on this ???

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Paleo Pete
01-30-2001, 06:25 AM
If you already have problems to deal with, don't even think about adding more software to complicate matters.

Usually I stay away from overinstalling, but I'm wondering if it might be worth a try in this case. It should clean up the registry, and save all your present settings and configurations.

Just a thought, let's see what some of the other folks think before seriously considering doing it. It seems to me some of the registry clean up programs should help, like Regclean, Norton's system utilities or McAffee's Nutz & Boltz.

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Ghost_Hacker
01-30-2001, 09:36 AM
I agree with Pete Regclean or one of it's clones should cleanup the register for you.

If your going to install NT I would install Windows2000 . It's a better operating system then NT and it's the next generation OS that everyone will be moving to. Plus it can be installed on a fat32 partition.( of course if you don't have an 2000 install disk than you won't have a choice)

NT can be a pain in the rear to install. So make sure you have all the drivers for you computer ( they must be the NT drivers as 95/98/ME drivers won't work with NT). Make sure you download and install the service pack after installing NT and before installing any other drivers. ( service pack 6a is the current one as of today but service pack 7 is due out soon.)One tip to remember is that evertime you add new NT services you'll need to reinstall the service pack. And of course NT can not be installed on a fat32 partition.

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BigBlue66
01-30-2001, 01:52 PM
Hey Sea,

"Puff, Puff". SOOOOO, [that] explains it. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif How do your eyeballs keep up with that amazingly fast machine? hehehehe Oh, I slay me.

My vote is Norton SystemWorks 2001. Of course, you have to use some common sense while using it, but Norton's the Man, in my book. I wouldn't leave home without it. I have used one version or another of Norton for over thirteen years, and the old boy has saved my ass more than once, I'm tellin ya.

As for an OS, I use NT 4.0 here at work and 98SE at home. From what I have seen, NT is more stable than 98. I can beat the crap out of NT and it will still boot. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif (Keeps on tickin, ya know?) I don't have any experience with 2000, but like any other OS, I have heard pros and cons.

Cheers,

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sea69
01-30-2001, 02:16 PM
ummm (hehe) BB_66 , u seem to be the only one picked up on that .. lmao http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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BigBlue66
01-31-2001, 10:58 AM
Sea; Yeah, well, what can I say? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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