Hi,
I hope someone can help. I’ve just purchased a new 80gb 7200rpm HD. I’ve tried to install it as a slave but the PC will not auto recognise the drive. I’ve been into the BIOS setting and I still can’t see the drive there either.
I have an existing 8gb HD running at the moment, and it still works fine but I just want more space. What I need to know is what I’m doing wrong and how can I fix it; I’m now getting to my wits end.
Thanks in advance.

Check the settings on your existing drive. I have had a few that require the jumper to be set to cable select before the BIOS would recognize them. Hope this helps.

if you are setting it up as Slave on the first IDE channel the HD wants to go in the middle of the IDE cable and the jumper on the HD set to slave.
if you put it on your second IDE channel it wants to go at the end of your IDE cable and the jumper set to slave, if you have a cd-rom at the end of your second IDE move it to the middle.

Jiggy,
It looks as if you said to put the HDD on the master end of the secondary cable but to jumper it as slave.

Typo right? Also too many pronouns. It, him, her, whatchamacallit, doomahicky. :D

mps69_1999,
To add a harddrive to an existing system you must first change the jumper setting on your current harddrive. Depending on the manufacturer of the drive there are a multitude of different choices to set them at. So without our knowing what you have, we can only suggest what is most common. So my suggestions as of this point are:

Put your current HDD on (a) master with slave or (b) cable select ( If one doesn't work try the other). Put your second HDD on the same cable and jumper it (a) 'slave' or (b) cable select. Also you must set your BIOS to autodetect the second drive. While you are at it, make sure the BIOS sees the older drive with the new settings you have set it to.

If none of these combinations work, post back with the maker of your harddrives and more system configurations ie. what's on which cable and so forth.

well spoted Fruss Tray Ted, i read it back, it looked and read back ok, i was thinking the right thing, but typed the wrong one, must have had something else on my mind to do with "slave"...

as for pronouns, thats just over my head, english was never my thing.

You will need to follow the installation directions carefully. If you don't have directions, go to the manufacturer's web site. Every manufacturer has directions for how to set the jumpers.

If the normal jumper setting does not work, try the alternate jumper setting.

(If you are placing the new drive on the same cable as your boot drive, set it as slave, or use the alternate jumper settings for slave.)

For Western Digital, use the following URL:

http://support.wdc.com/techinfo/general/jumpers.asp

Until the drive is recognized in BIOS, you are dead in the water. So keep playing around. Call the manufacturer if necessary.

Ok guys and maybe gals you never know, here's the deal and what I've got and tried so far.
The orginal HD is a 8gb fujitsu, I've followed all the jumper settings that are recomended on the case, apart from one that is "cable", mainly case I don't know what the heck that does.
My new 80gb is a WD and I've set this to slave as per the instrutions on the case again. So far I've not managed to get the PC to reconise this second drive at all.
When I go into the BIOS setting there is a section called Auto Detect Hard Drives. When the old drive is only connected and I go into the section the system seems try and dected all the drives, finding only one as expected. I can also ESC back out of this page. However as soon as I attached the new drive I can go back into this section but nothing happens I can't even back page out again, I have to 3 key shift to get back to a working PC again.
I just hoping that this isn't going to turn out to be a waste to £90, or sooner or later there is going to be a PC shaped hole in my livingroom window.
Thanks again

Maybe your BIOS doesn't detect large hard disks. My BIOS is an old model and won't accept anything larger than 33 Gbs, and I had to put jumpers to limit the capacity of the drive.

Are you trying to bring "Flying Windows" to a whole new light? :eek:

Don't do anything drastic, it will work one way or another.

You're 80 gig I presume is a 10 pin like my 40 gig. So the 2 instructions for that are:
Short (or jumper) pins 3 and 4 to use it a slave. See pic below:
http://support.wdc.com/images/drives/jumpers/jumpers.gif


And the second set mentions to jumper 1&2 plus 3&4 as such:

http://support.wdc.com/images/drives/jumpers/21jumper.gif

As for your Fujitsu HDD, We will need the model to look it up.

Also, how old is your motherboard? Does it have a BIOS that will recognize large drives? Please tell us more system specs.

It seems very similar to yours and I’ve set it up as per instructions.
As for the the old drive, it’s a Fujitsu 8gb model number MPD 3084AT, I don't know much more (sorry).
I’m using a Time computer with a 466 processor. I don’t know if this is relevant, I’m running MS 2000 Pro. The PC it's self is only about 3-4 years old.
Cheers
B

As others have mentioned, it is very likely that your bios does not support large capacity drives.

A thorough read of this article (also mentioned by others) explains your options.
http://support.wdc.com/techinfo/general/jumpers.asp

I had success in a similar situation by using the W-D alternate jumper settings (Ted's second set).

I would recommend:
1 download the W-D Lifeguard software, and put the program on a floppy disk.
2 disconnect your old drive, install the 80g as master using alternate jumper settings.
3 boot with W-D Lifeguard in "A"
4 follow on screen instructions to coax bios into recognizing the drive, partition & format.
5 Do a clean install of your OS.
6 rejumper drives and install old drive as slave.
7 copy data from old to new, and remove the old drive saving it for later use as window breaking projectile. Work your way up to tossing the whole PC in steps.

Other scenarios are possible, including cloning your old "C" onto the new drive, but first get the bios to recognize the 80g.

Here ia some more info about my system:
Model Number: Resource id #2
Processor: P433CEL
Hard Drive: 8.4GB
Motherboard: MicrostarLX
Memory: 196MB
Modem: 56K Soft Modem
Graphics: ATI 3D RAGE PRO AGP
Sound: Creative Ensoniq ESS1373
PCTV: None
Other: None

It's realy great that people are taking time to reply, I appreciate all the help that I'm getting here.:)

I'm having trouble finding much about your board as described. Can you have a closer look and see if you can find anything with similar names of boards or chipsets HERE (http://www.timesupport.com/timesupport/drivers/motherboards/motherboards.html) ?

If it is your BIOS that does not recognize the larger disk, there may be updates to your BIOS to allow it to. Also the suggestion on the HDD site is good too.

Edit: I'm getting somewhere with your fujitsu drive though... Have a look HERE (http://www.fcpa.fujitsu.com/download/download/hard-drives/mpd3xxxat-jumpers.pdf) . It is listed as a discontinued drive too. In 4 years? Sheesh, time flies! :eek:

Motherboard: MicrostarLX
Looks like the Microstar MS-6159 ,
Their BX model needed a bios fix to see drives larger than 65gigs ,
but none of the LX updates address drive size issues.
Bios allows you to manually type in drive parameters , cylinders , sectors , heads etc.
Don't know if that would work.

It looks like someone has had a better time looking for my MB than me. I kept going round and round in circles.
I did notice that I could enter all the details of my new drive, but I wasn't too sure if that would work. As the BIOS setting won't detect a drive of this size more than likely not.
My other thought is that I rip out my old drive and install the new one as a Master and split it up after that, but again I'm not too sure if that will solve the problem.

My other thought is that I rip out my old drive and install the new one as a Master and split it up after that

If you can't get the bios to see the drive , then you can't partition it.
Perhaps you have another comp available to split it?

Check and see if your BIOS is Award, if it is, most probably you need a BIOS upgrade. Many motherboards with Award BIOSes are having troubles with the 32GB and 64GB barriers.
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Also, what do you mean with a P433CEL CPU?? A Celeron 433Mhz maybe?
If so then a BIOS flashing would fix it.

The system is defo a Celeron 433 Mhz.
What do you mean BIOS flash would solve the problem? And more importantly how do you get and install this??

Don't have time to explain further (have to go) but check out this page:
http://www.wimsbios.com/
It explains quite in detail the process.
Basically, you need to know EXACTLY the motherboard you have, and your m/b manufacturer has to provide a Bios upgrade. Have in mind however that this is a slightly risky task (if power goes down in the usual 20 seconds the upgrade takes, you m/b could became unusable).
Good luck!

mps69_1999:

You have to get Bios to see the drive!
You have to get Bios to see the drive!

Repeat after me.

I have to get Bios to see the drive!
I have to get Bios to see the drive!

Until you do this, nothing else can be accomplished.

Here's what you do:

1) Remove the IDE drive cable from your old drive and disconnect the drive power connector.
2) Place your new drive on the primary IDE cable. There should be no other drives on this cable. Plug in the drive power connector. Just lay the drive on top of the case on a piece of plastic or other non-conductive material.
3) Your drive is a WesternDigital 80GB drive. It has 10 pins for setting the jumpers.
4) On your first try set one jumper for "Single". See FrussTreyTed's first diagram above - Upper left hand corner. Use one jumper between pins 4 and 6.
5) In bios, set Primary Master for Auto, save the bios setting and exit.
6) Reboot.
7) If the drive is detected you should see it appear under primary master in the post display. If not we need to try the alternate jumper setting.

Alternate jumper setting:

4) Use two jumpers. See FrussTreyTed's second diagram. Connect pins 5 and 6 with one jumper. Connect pins 3 and 4 with the second jumper.
5) Same
6) Same
7) If drive is detected you should see it appear under Primary Master in the post display.

If you are still unable to see the drive. Go to Bios settings and set Primary master to Manual - then enter the following numbers:

Cylinders: 1023
Heads: 16
Sectors per track: 63

Then try the two jumper configurations again.

If you still can't see the drive, get back to us.

When you finally get the settings right, you will be able to see the drive.

Once you can see the drive, you can use the Western Digital Software to utilize the whole capacity of the drive.

But first just try to get bios to see the drive.

Repeat after me.

I have to get Bios to see the drive!
I have to get Bios to see the drive!

On my 40 gig JB series i needed to REMOVE the jumper completely. It is not in the instructions to do it this way but it worked. This was when it was set up as single master (nothing else on the cable).

So keep trying more combinations even if you have to stand on your head! http://www.beenzeria.com/nuovismiles/classiche2/grinbig.gif

Fruss Tray Ted,

No jumpers at all is the standard configuration for single master. (See your diagram above). A jumper between pins 4 and 6 is the other single master configuration, but it doesn't do anything except provide a storage place for the jumper.

Hey,

been in the same situation when i bought new big HDD for my old p450. Went through all the messing around and got it going but by far the easiest and less likely to lose you hair solution is to get a Promise ATA pci card and plug your new hdd into that. I'm assuming the new one is 7200 RPM ATA 100 or similar and your old microstar MB is ATA 66 max like mine was so your new card will mean your HDD is getting up to its full speed too.

Problems i found when installing new hdd on old mother board was that the software workaround that the hdd manufacturers provide works fine until you need to move the hdd to a new machine when you upgrade. Then the software makes the hdd unrecognisable on a new machine... painful experience speaking! The Promise card was £20 well spent!

cheers

John