its a sony 40x12x48 drive woohoo! um, can someone explain to me what i'll have to do so i can have both my cd rom drive and my cdrw drive and burn cd's directly? thanks i'd appreciate any website or whatever i just wanna be able to get it installed quickly when i get to use it on christmas day! woohoo!

Jeremy

my comp specs are below

In order to copy a CD directly, the two drives need to be on different IDE controllers. I would put the new CD-RW on the secondary cable by itself, jumpered as master. The CD-Rom drive would then go on the primary controller along with you hard drive. Jumper the HD as master and the CD-Rom as slave.

The drives should all be recognized in Bios. Then its just a matter of installing the burner software and letting it rip. I prefer Nero Burning but most drives seem to come with EZ CD Creator. Maybe that burning software will work for you - some people have trouble with it.

Use your new drive for everything - burning, music, CD games, etc. I would avoid using the old CD-Rom drive except for copying disks because reading from it and the HD simultaneously (on the same controller) might degrade the HD performance.

separate ide controllers? oh man. do u got pictures or something that i could see.... haha im confused now.

The IDE controllers are the ports that the cable to your current CDRom and Hard drive connect to on the motherboard. Each port can handle 2 connections and generally cables have two connectors on them. You plug the connector that is furtherest away from the port into whatever you have designated as your master drive and the slave drive is then connected to the one that is between the other 2.

For pictures, I would go to www.pcworld.com and look in their How To sections. I think Tom's Hardware may also have good pictures, but I am not sure.

Budfred

The IDE controllers are located on your motherboard. Most computers have two and connectors are provided on the MB for two IDE cables. These 40/80 pin data cables connect to your hard drive and CD-Rom. The harddrive is connected to the Primary IDE controller, and usually the CD is connected to another (Secondary cable).

Each IDE controller will control 2 devices so you can have 2 devices on each of the cables. For example, your hard drive and CD-Rom can be attached to the same primary cable.

In addition both devices have jumpers near where the data cable plugs in that allow you to set the device as master or slave. If you have two devices on the primary cable, one (the harddrive) must be jumpered as master, and the other as slave. Also settings may need to be changed in bios to allow these devices to be recognized.

The instructions that come with your CD-RW will provide all the information you need to install the drive. I wouldn't worry too much until you get ready to install it, then post back here with any questions.

Meanwhile, you could follow Budfreds links to learn more.

i just got through looking at the box. umm. yea i saw the 2 different ide cables. and yes their is a thing for the 2nd one the plug into. i think i'll be able to get it except cause the cruddy HP cases im gonna haev to pull ou the power supply in order to fit the cdrw in, then i'll have to screw the power supply back in (i hate proprietary systems but hey......) as far as jumpers are concerned i forgot to look at them *oh well*. and i'll figure bios when i get it. what my friend did with his computer is just switch the cables from the cd to the cdrw but then they were only able to use the cdrw. im kinda thinking about doing that myself hmmmm.
does anyone know what power supplies hp's run in them? im still kinda thinking about doing the 2nd hardrive thing. i might sneak that in if i can get the cdrw in with ease. but i might be pushing the power supply.

I ran 2 DVD drives, a CDRW, and the hard drive on my HP for a long time. I recently removed one of the DVDs to use in another machine. The power supplies on HPs are not impressive, but should be able to handle the 2 CD drives. Another hard drive might be more of a challenge, not to mention the heat problem. My HP case is really tight and if your's is similar, you are likely to have a lot of heat build up. I think one of the only reasons my HP has lasted this long is that I put in a slot fan shortly after I got it. Even then, it can be pretty erratic at times. I also put in round cables recently to help with air flow.

On my HP, you do take the power supply part way out to do much of anything, but the mounting cage for the CDs slides out for installations. You may want to make sure your's isn't similar before you go to too much trouble. Also, PLEASE do check the jumpers before you install any more IDE hardware or you will have to open it up and do the whole thing all over again.

Budfred

reading your recent post, I didnt hear anything on a sony drive :)
what made you decide sony?

im still kinda thinking about doing the 2nd hardrive thing. i might sneak that in if i can get the cdrw in with ease.
Because if something doesn't work, you'll know where to look. Test it for hours if not days before adding another peripheral.

GWALLEN,
As far as burning on the fly, my 52x CDROM and my 16/12/40 CDRW are connected on the secondary cable as master and slave respectively and I only have one HDD at this time. I have been burning music and data copies 'on the fly' (direct to disk) at full speed for awhile now. No probs. Nero warns that it might not work but I click burn anyway and it works just fine. I tried a mixture of data and music CD the other day and when the software warned that it might not work the way I was about to do it, I let NERO decide which way. All I ended up with was the music tracks. Tried again and clicked 'burn' anyway', and got both.

JJOEL,
I forgot to check for gasoline in my car,,, *oh well* Think it'll run anyway? :confused: Don't take any shortcuts and do like Santa, check it twice.

BTW,
Congrats on the CDRW. Enjoy...

i thought sony would be too expensive but one happened to come into stock so i bought it. i chose sony because they tend to have good cdrw from what i hear. i jumped on it, it was only $55

Fruss Tray Ted

Yeah. I'm still living in the dark ages of computers. I think with faster computers it's not so much of a concern having both cd drives on the same controller. On my old pentium 200 Pro I made many a coaster before figuring it out.

Now mostly I take the best songs from several CDs to make one good one, rather than just copy CD to CD. So it's not an issue. Nero rips and compiles the selections to HD, then burns them back to Cd-R at 40X. My Samsung CD-RW/Athlon XP 1700+ rips (extracts) at ten times the speed of my old system so it doesn't take but a few minutes to set up the new album.

Originally posted by jjoel
i thought sony would be too expensive but one happened to come into stock so i bought it. i chose sony because they tend to have good cdrw from what i hear. i jumped on it, it was only $55

O I C :)

Hi guys-
Going along with what FTT mentioned-
I've had my CD-R and CD-RW on my secondary IDE Channel as master and slave and have never had any problems burning "on the fly".

In fact, on one of my computers, the manual for the CD-RW actually recommended this configuration. (With the CD-RW as master on the secondary IDE cable and the CD-R as the slave).

Anyway, good luck with your new toy jjoel! ;)

WOOHOO THE BURNER IS IN KANSAS CITY! should be on my door step by this afternoon :D:D:D:D:D

One other thought. In order to burn on the fly from source to deestination drive, the source drive (in this case an ordinary CD drive) must be able to do digital audio extraction (DAE) at a sufficient rate to supply the data for the burn.

Some CD-Rom drives can't do DAE at all, others can do DAE at only 1X or 2X. Some, like the Samsung CD-RW I just bought, can do DAE at 20X or higher. Anyway the speed of the burn is dependent on the rate of DAE and a number of other factors: speed of the computer, whether the drives are both on the same controller, etc.

Sometimes if the source drive is slow, it's faster to just go ahead and do the DAE on the destination drive (the data is copied to the HD). And then burn the new CD at full burn speed.

its in!

newegg is AWESOME only 1 lil itty bitty complaint. i wish they sent it in the ORIGINAL box. oh well. no instructions :( thats why i got *gasp* i didn't see any software hold on...oh crap... gotta contact newegg..... dernit.

anywayz my question is. i see the power connector and the ide connector.. but their are like 3 other things to connect into there. do i gotta worry about those? anyayz i gotta go contact newegg. i dunno what kinda rating to give them now.

Jeremy

called newegg... my software will be in probbaly 3-5 business days. very nice about it he apologized. i'll still give them a decent review rating (better than tigerdirect).

You don't need the software to install the drive - just to burn CD's.

Have you decided where you're going to install the drive - primary slave, secondary master, secondary slave?

Tell us what your setup is now and how you want it to be and we'll talk you through it.

Oh, by the way, you can download the manual at the following URL:

http://sony.storagesupport.com/cdrw/crx215a1dwn.htm

I know this is not quite your model but the directions for installation should be the same.

i guess master slave will be the cdrw. i dunno. thats what everyone seems to think is best (it doesn't relaly matter to me). umm.. the jumpers are on the cd drives right? or are their ones on the motherboard also.... hmmm

Yeah, the jumpers are on the back of the CD drives, one of the different set of pins that are hard to figure out.

I am not sure if it was just a typo, but you will need Master and Slave, not "master slave". I think what most have recommended and what I would do it CDRW-Secondary IDE Master, CD-Secondary IDE Slave. Is that what you are saying??

Budfred

what do you mean by secondary?

yes i want my cdrw to be the master and the cd rom to be the slave.

You have two IDE ports on most boards (probably all newer boards, but I am not certain about that). IDE 1 is your Primary IDE and usually this is where your C: drive will go. IDE 2 is your Secondary IDE and this is usually where CDs and such go.

Budfred

If you plan on putting in another harddrive later, you should put the CDRW on the secondary IDE cable with your CDROM.

All of the IDE devices have jumpers on them. Harddrives, CDROM's, CDRW's and DVD's as well.

If you do put the CDRW on the primary cable as slave to your HDD you 'may' have to change the HDD's jumper as well.

Here's where we need to know EXACTLY what you have on your IDE channels and where they are on the cable as well as what the jumpers are set to. What is your harddrive: manufacturer, model number and jumper settings
What is your CDROM and it's jumper settings

The FULL model and serial number of your HP pc.

We can try to hook up the CDRW by hit or miss but why not try to get it right the first time by looking up what we need to know on the HP website? I was just there and there's a ton of different model numbers of their harddrives so we'll need the right one.


HERE (http://www.storage.ibm.com/hdd/support/0663e/jumper.gif) is an example of different settings on an 'IBM' hard drive.

my cdrom is on the secondary ide cable by itself which would mean its set on master right?

basically all i think i need to do is just plug the new cdrw in and switch the jumpers. (put the cdrw to master and the cd to slave) i'll put both on the same ide cable which is the second one.

If you do it as you say, put the CDRW on the end of the secondary cable and the CDROM on the middle connector on the same cable and it 'will' (we hope :rolleyes: ) work as planned.

This is what the cables positions are. On the end is always master, in the middle is always slave. What determines what jumper setting to use is where you plan on putting it on the cable.

When do you plan to wire it up? Are you on that pc to get on the net?

wiring her up whenever im allowed to open my cdrw (christmas eve or christmas)..

does that mean the cable that is connected in the cdrom needs to be connected to the cdrw?

Yep, that is what it means. Most IDE cables have 3 connectors, although you can buy them with only 2. One goes to the mobo and the other 2 to devices. The one you have in there now probably has 3, but if it doesn't, your new CDRW may come with a cable. If neither is true, you may want to pick one up now so you are prepared on Xmas.

Budfred

Yes Jjoel I think you should put both drives on the cable where your CD-Rom now resides.

At this point picture Sandman banging his head on his keyboard. Okay, Jjoel. Now concentrate!

The jumpers are located on the back of the CD drives next to the data cable. Set the CD-RW to master and the CD-Rom to slave. The jumper pins are next to where the data cable plugs into the drive and are clearly marked on most drives as M, S or CS (master, slave, and something you don't want to know about). They are basically three sets of two pins each in a row (six all together) with a jumper connecting two of the pins.

Your old CD-Rom probably has a jumper on Master but it might be on slave. Whatever it is you are going to change it to slave - just take the jumper off the two pins and move it to the pins marked S. No big deal.

The new drive will have a jumper on either M or S. Move it to M (master).

Mount the new drive in the computer case. Then attach the IDE data cable - the 40 wire cable that is already attached to your CD-Rom. On that cable there should be a free connector (if not then the new drive probably came with a new cable that you can use). Attach the connector just like the old connector is attached to the older drive (using the same orientation).

Find a free IDE power connector (like the one plugged into the old CD - 4 wires - yellow, black, black, red) and connect it to the new drive just like the one on the old drive. This provides power to the drive. If you can't find a free one, go to your local computer store and ask for a IDE power splitter (which will give you two power connectors in place of one).

Now you are ready to blast off. Boot the computer and Windows will recognize both drives hopefully. If not get back to us (the day after Christmas).

Actually there is a whole textbook of information on the installation of CD-RW's contained in this one thread. It might be good for you to reread some of the posts.

Good luck and Merry Christmas,

By the way Fruss Trey Ted. You said:

This is what the cables positions are. On the end is always master, in the middle is always slave. What determines what jumper setting to use is where you plan on putting it on the cable.

Actually I don't think it matters where the drive is on the cable as long as they are jumpered master and slave. Quoting the PC Guide:

Note that in terms of configuration, it makes no difference which connector on the standard IDE cable is used in a standard IDE setup, because it is the jumpers that control master and slave, not the cable.

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/conf.htm

Under the condition of buffer under-run protection being active, its a no prob if you burn on the fly on same IDE with full speed. The burning will be automatically slowed down if the CDROM Drive isn't as much fast as the CD-R/W Drive, but there would be no problem, CD will be burnt fine. All the newer burning sofwares supports buffer under-run protection.
Well, if you want to be on the safe side, its a good idea to isolate the two. Or you can do the half duplex way, Image burn to the HD first and then burn the image to the CDR.
I'm having no problems with single IDE setup since two years.

I recall that thread but haven't confirmed the suggestion yet to be confident with it 'especially' to give it as advice. Maybe it is an old obsolete rule from earlier boards/softwares but I have heard it seems a zillion times now that the end connector is meant to be the master and so forth...

I just might try out what you mention tonight to see, so I'll know for sure later. Anyway, thanks for the correction.

i have like 2 or 3 free power connectors. does it matter which one i use? they all have the same 4 pin face

NO :)

Mission Control... err, ahh, Gwallen,
I don't think Jjoel will be ready to 'blast off' until the launchpad is set. As in: Going in BIOS to set the secondary IDE devices to autodetect. Not really a mistake just an oversight not mentioned as of yet.

Countdown will continue on schedule... :cool:

FTT:

Maybe Bios is already set to autodetect. I think it comes that way.

ill check that christmas day. thanks for ya'llz info keep it coming if u think of anything else!

OH YEA burning software is here. newegg said 3-5 days and they got it here within 1-2 business days! i highly encourage ppl to buy from newegg they're great!