Thanks for an-n-nybody, with the answer to my quirky behaving cpu fan.. actually I bet its working exactly as it has been told to do..in any case this cpu fan of mine is refusing to start with everything at power-on, and its got to be with how I removed the processor like I did, no warning or anything, not that i'd known how to warn or whom...but....anyway, my cpu fan;

works when given volts..
..(I took it out) yet refuses at boot time..

my cmos.. do I need to reset it? or erase, or anything like this?

After 6-8 seconds, computer shutsdown... HP guy didn't even know this.. ther has to be a plan this thing follows.. I will search the hp knowledge thang isuppose..
if someone can enlighten me, ooh I would be grateful..

ps if someone wants to know.. the reason for all this:
I borrowed my Celeron processor from my standard (it needed to be blown out with compressed air, anyway, my heat exchanger's fins were matted with dust/dirt/muck)

Anyway if anyonethnks they knows what I got -ahold-of... please shout..
at me..

Reset CMOS with a MB jumper(see MB's instructions), or by removing the CMOS battery for at least an hour.

If that does not work, then make sure the MB's CPU fan terminal has all of its pins - 3 if it senses the CPU fan's RPM, 2 if it does not sense fan speed.

If that's ok, then try a different MB fan terminal.
If the fan works there, then the designated CPU fan terminal is defective.
(Note that if the fan works on a different terminal and the designated CPU fan terminal has a 3rd pin for sensing speed, then the system will shut down after a few seconds.)

Also, what method was used when you said "works when given volts"?

HP guy didn't even know thisIs your system still under warranty?? If so, you probably don't want to be "messin" with things and void it!

Was it working before?

The reason it is shutting down after a few seconds is to hopefully prevent the processor from burning up. If the fan is not functioning it will heat up very quickly...

If you removed the heatsink you may have damaged the thermal material that interfaces them.

Thank you friends so much for responding...

Thanks to the powers that be I have found someone to respond with a clue

Actually my HP is already slightly too old to be still covered under warranty
On my newly assembled pc which is working "pretty OK" (as Mr Miagiwould say).....is where is located a couple of terminals from which either @ 12, or 6 volts (based on my multi-tester), is available....I chose the lower to attach a pair of leads, to channel voltage to the fans terminals
Yes, the HP folks were "OK"...I did get all the way through to a "tech" person (in Nova Scotia), and I was

like "cards on the table", in my requests..so I was "luckily"(.....well sort of)....allowed to actually get all the way through

to actually talk to a techie, after, or possibly ,already establishing my set is out of warranty...so anything I was allowed to

learn from this call was very fortunate, in any event...

My HP is clearly out of warranty , but it was working flawlessly before I "borrowed" its celeron processor which was to be

only for long enough to help me get my new motherboard off the ground, in service operation terms... The Prescott I had purchased

as that system's main brain, was not supported by the bios (so it needed a flashing)in my Asusp4p800d mobo, which at the time was

"dead to the world" , and the suggested plan by asus tech, was to mail,physically, my bios, to them where they'd upgrade

or flash it for me, and send it back to me via us mail..

this is added to my last response:
Yes the system is trying to protect itself by successfully shutting itself down, HOPEFULLY before "melt-down"

occurs, or what ever might be the correct way of putting it...and yes I have my doubts about my own limitations

regarding the proper application of the thermal paste which is so critical in heat-transfer properties,existing

between the surfaces of my processor, and the heatsink adjacent to it, but the overall gist I was able to glean

from speaking to those who did speak with some confidence on the matter of "how to properly apply thermal paste"

which I did as considerable amount of research on, prior to my "operation", was to be sure and not make the most

common mistake and not put WAY TOO MUCH on there.. especially since I do have a finite amount of the stuff anyway.

It does seem to me, however that the most effective way would be to put it on generously, and simply let the pressure

of my squeezing out the excess, be the determining factor, in how much paste remains, however, in the interest of

correctness, I did opt to simply apply the stuff quite sparingly or "stengily", as if it would hurt something to

squeeze out any excesses as I described in "the way I'd have thought would be the best" to have done it.. I would

appreciate an opinion from anyone on this matter, either agreeing with one of the two manners I described or even

a third methodology, would be quite welcome, anything to learn the correct, most advantageous way of doing it.

What I would like to ask is DO YOU THINK THE CMOS RESET IS MY ANSWER? or what difference could the paste's appication

have in the behaviour I am seeing?

The more I think about it, the more I like my described "squeeze out any excess" metod best of all, if I had to guess

like, on some game show, I'd bet on that...so if I do the paste again, I will likely use my wasteful method, arrogant

or not....until somehow I discover the real truth, I believe that to be the best way to insure an adequate, uniform,

and "as thinly as can be uniformly spread".. in MY OPINION.. this makes the most sense to me.


because ..In trying to put on a "thin" coat , and yet still get it ALL over the surface, I find its hard to do both

without what seems to me to be like an awful lot of "scraping" type motions on the undoubtedly delicate surface

..well actually not "delicate, but I still just do not feel too good about the idea of trying to apply the paste

with more rough treatment than I feel comfortable with.

will one of you straighten me out?

Please my friends ;

do not let the enthusiasm of my responses (long-looking posts)to your
having responded to my boggle , in any way damper your interest in any further attempts to advise me...
do you suppose I am on the right track, in thinking I need to "reset" my
cmos? or could that possibly be way way off? I feel almost ok that its the only possible option I have.

But I plan to scour and search the hp site and perhaps continue scouring the pc guide for the solution(each of which I feel has my answer SOMEWHERE)each trove is so very VAST....

I know enough to know to DO NOTHING until I am 100% certain it is the correct action.

I had built the second desktop for my enablement of 2 working desktops
each with a sound card, where I'd have a machine for instruments and a machine for recording applications.


For the life of me, I have no idea what other course of action might possibly alleviate the problem I have brought unto myself...

cmos resetting is thing I have not done before, so i do not know what to expect.I do not know if there might possibly be anything else to do

This might provide some insight:

http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm

Also, since you're at the assembly stage yet you might want to consider lapping the sink:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/guides/heatsinklappingguide.php

Also another thread here with my "personal" explanation on the process...:p

I will try and keep this as short as possible;

Right here& now, the degree at which I have the highest of praise& regard for you, I will not even get started.. just use your imagination and multiply, use your chosen multiplier factor, it will not be too much for how grateful I am right now.. to you. I gotta go I am 'bout to be very busy.. I will return.. thanks again

It would help if I put the final link I mentioned into the mix...

Here's the skinny:

Yes, lapping is easy!

If you don't have access to a machinist's granite stone, a piece of glass will work quite well.

I start with 320 Grit (Wet/Dry sandpaper), then 400, then 600, and finish with 1500...

It works well to work the sink in figure 8s keeping it damp enough to not clog and diminish the cutting effect of the sandpaper.

You should be able to see quite quickly using the 320 how far you've got to go to flat. If it's pretty high-centered the 320 will nip the edges pretty quickly.

Rule of thumb, be patient, take your time.

The sandpaper cost me around .75 cents a sheet and one of each grit was sufficient. (hint: If you wash the paper clean when finished and lay flat you can reuse! )

And, yes you can expect 3-5C temp drops...thus sayeth our moderator mjc, and I have experienced it myself!

Is it the understood or agreed concensus that a cmos reset would be the only option I have , given my situation?
I have enjoyed upgrading my knowledge regarding that, in which I am currently embroiled, a subject I'd only heard of, I am now relatively aware of( lapping)and now feel as if I absolutely will employ..
However I have to become as enlightened about cmos and its "everything", as I van possibly become, since my "Old Faithful", desktop has become a"HULK" of useless components..taking up space...

And I am supposed to have TWO BAD-ASS DESKTOPS FULLY FUNCTIONAL.....
and thats simply the only satisfactorily feasible goal I have to seek

Please continue with your thoughtful consideration as thus far truly pertinent, inciteful, and appreciated,has been shown, I ask you to , if possible offer your thoughts regarding why my system reacted to me removing its processor as it did react... I suspect this data might be found somewhere among the vast pages HP does have available for scrutiny.

But I STILL have considerable hope and mucho prayers to support the hopes that I still have a valid, non-fried processor... since the only really scary things I witnessed during this last "panic" were only those based on the premise that "murphy" always constantly lurks and waits and is always present and seldom accounted for( I try to make adjustments here, to limit surprises)

Now my only deal is the stupidity with which I evidently had placed my cpufan plug in what was the correct position, on the newer mb, and opposite the correct side , on the mb in question...
so as always my troubles.
Thats right; my correct plug location(cpu fan) is on the right of the cpu( on my asus mb, its on the LEFT side of the cpu, on my old HP.
so thank you Whyzman, and also ski.. for your assistance... and be well.... I now have a new boggle to untangle.. hopefully it won't take 3-4 days , too... but as long as I still have undamaged components, I will still say grace over it all daily

over and out thanks again friends