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Mrcho
07-05-2004, 04:39 PM
I got a big problem with my PC... I just built my new pc with one of my friends and have installed everything that I need on Windows, but I get these "THIS PROGRAM MUST CLOSE" msgs all the time, and I reinstalled the Windows (XP) probably 5 times! It still does the same thing! And not only that, when I try to play games, I get a blue screen with some numbers and letters on it for maybe a 1 second and then my pc shuts down itself ... anyone knows what could be the problem? I had some big difficulties installing the drivers, maybe its the HD? everything is new except the HD that I bought from one of my friends that he didnt use it for a long time... I borrowed my friend`s HD to try it on my pc, and when I put it everything SEEMED to be ok, but Im not too sure though ... anybody can help me here?

ski
07-05-2004, 05:48 PM
Did you format the HD?

Mrcho
07-05-2004, 06:15 PM
Yes I did.

ski
07-05-2004, 06:25 PM
Did you install the MB chipset drivers, and have no other cards installed except the video card, and no other drives connected except the HD when installing Windows?

If so, then you may want to see if a different HD fixes things.

Mrcho
07-05-2004, 06:29 PM
Yup I installed MB drivers and have only HD, CD player and a video card connected.

ski
07-06-2004, 09:58 AM
Suggest you try another HD.

Mrcho
07-06-2004, 03:25 PM
Im just worried that it could be maybe my videocard? Or not? Because I get a blue screen and my PC shuts down, or its really the problem of the HD? I just bought a new HD yesterday and I`ll recieve it by this week so I just hope it`ll work.

Mrcho
07-12-2004, 02:39 PM
I received the new HD and installed it. I keep getting the same problem like before, so its not because of HD. Could it be my videocard? Its very hot and it doesnt have a fan, when I touched it I almost got burnt. Its a ATI Radeon 9200 SE 128mb DDR. Could it be because of the card?

ski
07-12-2004, 03:32 PM
Sorry to hear that the new HD did not solve the problem.
However, I wonder why the HD from your friend's system seemed to work ok?
Are all HD connections secure?
Did you try a different power lead, or a different IDE cable?

If your MB has an onboard graphics adapter, then you can use that to see if the video card is the cause.
After removing the video card, go into BIOS and make sure that the onboard graphics adapter is enabled.
If your MB does not have an onboard graphics adapter, then see if you can borrow a video card to test yours.
If that's not possible, then remove the computer's cover, and run an external fan on the video card's heatsink.

If the video card is ok, then remove all cards except the video card, and all drives except the boot drive.
If that helps, then add the cards and drives one at a time until the problem resurfaces. The last card/drive installed is the cause.

Also, please post your system's specs, incl. the PSU's make and watt capacity.

Mrcho
07-13-2004, 02:18 PM
I think It doesnt have an onboard graphics adapter.

Its still better than before, now It doesnt restart itself like before, but it still keeps tellin me the "This program must close" messages, not that often like before but it still does. When I play a game, before I installed this HD I could play it for 5-10 mins before it gives me an error msg or before it shutdown itself, now I can play maybe half an hour or 1 hour before gettin an error msg. I tried the fan thing though, I removed the cover and ran it, it seems like it helps, then I can play for maybe an hour or even more. I looked at my PC`s temperature, it seems great, around 27-28 celcius, I dont think that is the cause, but I dont have a fan on my videocard, could that be the cause maybe?


the system is:
AMD Athlon XP 1700+ 1.47ghz
512mb ram
350 W PSU (I dont know about the make and capacity thing, where can I see that??)
nVidia nForce 2 motherboard
ATI Radeon 9200 SE 128mb ddr videocard (without a fan)
maxtor 80gb 7200rpm HD

ski
07-13-2004, 04:27 PM
If running an external fan without a computer cover doubled the amount of gameplay time before the problem happens, then it's possible that the video card is overheating and causing it.

Make sure that the video card's heatsink is correctly and securely mounted, i.e., it's oriented properly on top of the card's chipset, there are no gaps between the heatsink and the chipset, and the screws are tight. Dust on the heatsink should not be a problem since the card is relatively new, but check it anyway.

If those are ok, then reseat the card making sure that it's securely seated. Sometimes it needs a healthy push to fully seat.

If no luck, then the card may be defective.
If you cannot borrow another card to determine if yours is bad, then a local shop may be able to test your card.
If it's bad, then RMA it for a replacement under warranty.

Another option is to install a small fan on the heatsink.
BTW, what is your system's ventilation design, i.e., how many case fans are installed, where are they located, and what is their airflow direction(blowing into the case, or sucking out of it)?

The capacity of your PSU is 350 W(watts), which should be sufficient to run your system's components. However, there are cheap units out there that do not supply the necessary punch to drive new systems. The better units are made by Antec, Enermax, and PC Power & Supply, to name a few.
Normally, the make(manuf's name) is on the PSU's label.

HeadachesAbound
07-13-2004, 04:40 PM
Have you tested the RAM?

I have a similar video card and although it gets hot it doesn't cause the system to be unstable.

Mrcho
08-14-2004, 12:50 AM
Finally, after changing a lot of peripherals in my PC, I found the problem, it was the *beeeep* memory card (RAM). When I changed it, everything started working fine and now my graphics kick ass. Thanx a lot for help, especially "ski".