Said I couldn't post on the other one so here I am again.

http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif My dear friends, we are gathered here today to pay our final respects to HDD. He has done bit the dust! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

Checked all cables very carefuly, glasses and flashlight, all seem to be in correct order but will check again.
Powered down, tried to start up again, Got the Aptiva screen instantly, no noises, beeps, flashes. The F9 key has decided not to work now either. It's a dead drive, has to be, if the system will work or at least try to work with it unplugged. I think I'm gonna cry http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif I know, that's a devil of a thing for an apprentice geek to be doing! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Well, I guess the only thing is for you all to point me to a place where I can get a cheap hard drive. You all are just the top of the top on my list and you know, you are stuck with me now. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Poor Whyzman, what an anticlimax ending for his movie! Tubeular Bells is so right!! Wish I could have that play every time I posted! LG

It's already in one of my posts in the revisited post
There's some 1.2 gigs and some 8's and some 10's. With this experience I'd stay away from the IBM ones for now.

BUT I'm wondering if you did all the BIOS per instructions as you have not talked about it yet.

hard drive deals here (http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/showproduct.asp?category=15&subcategory=61)

Did you do all of this?????

System skip
Product Data skip
Disk Drives (second) Enter, get on IDE master use arrows to set Automatic then escape to main page go to start options
Devices and I/O Ports skip
Power Management skip
Startup Options (Do third) Enter, choose Dis,En,En,En, A, C:, Enable CD ROM Esc. to get out to main page go to Date and Time
Date & Time (Do fourth) Here I'll let you decide, Got Faith in you Girl! Then escape all the way out to where it says save changes type or highlight Y or Yes, hit Enter (then see way below)
Advanced Options skip this
Load Defaults (DO THIS first) Click Enter then go up to disk drives
Abort Settings Changes (= The Eraser) Don't use this


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Is it the link where you went shopping that I should go look for a new HDD?
I wouldn't have another IBM anything if someone gave it away with a pound of tea! This thing was the biggest mistake I ever made, nothing but trouble from the day I brought it home. That salesman at Best Buy must still be laughing to this day about the idiot he made out of me. I knew nothing and I mean nothing about computers. He really took me for a ride.
I not only went through all the SetUp instructions but went through them twice more before I saved anything. I was just so sure it would work.
FTT, you and all the people on this board are just the cream of the crop in my book and I will never be able to thank all of you enough. This has been the most interesting and fun time I've ever had. I'm preparing for major surgery on this thing here, don't think you all are gonna get rid of me yet, there is much more in store! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Which board here would be the best to go bother about replacing hardware? I'm gonna get this bomb running if it takes my last breath, but I want to be in the right spot to ask the kind of questions I'm gonna need answers too. BTW,FTT you are a pc repairman in my book!!! LG

AWWHYUKAHYUK, Golly Gee There and thank you LADY. Uh mean it wuz the least I coulda' dun fer some wun as nice as you is... http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif Shuck you is too darn sweet miz LadyGrey,

I think this forum's as good as any if'n mister Pete thinks so. I dun brung that link to the deepartmeant stoar up to these here parts in this here thread fur ya too. Gives me uh fuzzy feelin' when I gits the honor to do sumpin' good fer someone else 'specially fer a real ladylike person such as yerself.

You jes holler an' I'lls come runnin' anytime you need. Thas whut i'm here fer now don' you go worry nun cuz we'll take real good care a yuz...

Sure sounds like the drive is dead, but will it still boot to a floppy with the hard drive connected? With the boot sequence set to A;C it should. If so, fdisk will tell you if the drive is definitely toast, just boot to the start up disk (with or without CD ROM support, doesn't matter) and type fdisk. If you see a message at top saying no fixed disks found, it's probably goners. If you see "one fixed disk drive" or similar, use option 4 to view partition information. Use the [Esc] key to exit and again to exit fdisk, it won't make any changes.

I think you said it's a Western Digital drive. They have a smal diagnostics utility on their website, free downaload, get it and try that too. It should be a bootable disk, write protect it and boot with that floppy in the drive, see if it finds the drive. If not, it's toast. If it finds it, look through the menu for diagnostics options. The diagnostics should be able to find out what problems the drive itself might have. It can also install a hard drive, and it's quick and painless, but must be a Western Digital.

PC Guide (http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/index.htm) hard drive section should answer your questions about the hard drive parameters posted in the closed topic.



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Pete, That is just fine with me! I'm sorry if I caused you any problem. I wasn't sure to start a new topic or not but I figured you'd tell me the right thing to do http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif After hooking the drive back up it will do nothing. I get the Aptiva logo screen just like always and the HDD LED comes on, no noises or anything, and that's it. Just sits there. The only time we got a response out of it was when we unplugged the drive. I think what will probably end up happening is a total rebuild of this thing but it will be a slow process as(just like everyone else) funds around here are limited. I won't need a "super computer" either. This is going to be for my son and he doesn't need to have start of the art stuff. I just want him to have something that he can learn on and have some fun with. Thanks so much for all the help!!! LG http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

Check into whether or not there is any warranty left on the drive...most drives have a 3 year warranty....you canfind this out by getting in touch with Western Digital Support, and tell them that it hangs the POST process, otherwise they will try to have you run their diagnostic tools, which of course won't work....

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Good morning Lady and gentlemen,
Overnight I had contemplaTed http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif a possibility of the power supply being at fault in some way but am leaning not on a fault in the HDD in it,s own power circuitry as it seems to bring the whole pc to a complete halt though it is able to get through POST. Maybe a siezed mechanically or shorted but not open motor windings or similar fault. Anyway it's a common problem with this particular pc and I wonder if there is another culprit causing the demise of so many HDDs. One theory is as sort of asked about here quote:

"How long should a HDD last? Why on earth has this bomb had to have, now, three of them in the last 4 years? Is that normal? Could there be something else causing them to go bad like this or are they just bad drives?"

If a good defrag is not performed in any way on a harddrive and the files are as scattered as they can be, does this lead to excessive work and effort on the part of a HDD?

Another thought I had was if the voltages aren't quite right coming from the power supply which on this model is either, I forget the first but it's around 75 watts and the larger PS offered with this pc is 145W. The problem is, both of these wattages is extremely inferior to todays standards, I'm surprised it had W98 as an OS with such a large (in it's day) HDD. So it is possible even if the harddrive is replaced, I fear the new one will meet the same fate as the ones before it.

So here's where I request a think tank/discussion from the professors in this classroom. Any ideas/experiences pc professors?

FTT

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If there are any 250W or, better yet, 300W PS'es that will fit an Aptiva, I would suggest that LadyGrey avail herself of one. _Any_ underpowered PS, even if it's just a little bit, will end up causing problems with your system, as I found last month (and which example I never tire of citing in whatever thread might be even remotely relevant.) 145W is WAY too weak for a modern system - heck, it was too weak back in the mid-1990's when 200W - 250W was the standard!

It's hard to say just how long a hard drive will last - those MTBF (mean time between failures) figures are all really averages. It's unusual for so many drives to fail on one system in rapid succession, but as I said above, look at the power supply as being the culprit. When a system is properly put together, properly powered, and the drive is properly maintained (that includes regular defragmentation and periodic checks with ScanDisk or whatever other utility you prefer to map out any bad sectors that might develop), it should last you as long as you own the computer and even longer. For my part, I'm on new, or relatively new, HD's right now - the primary, a Maxtor 20GB, was installed six months ago, and the secondary, a Western Digital 40GB, was installed last Sunday. As long as I take proper care of them, I don't anticipate having to ever replace them except for reasons of increasing disk space.

-Joe-

Originally posted by Fruss Tray Ted:

"How long should a HDD last? Why on earth has this bomb had to have, now, three of them in the last 4 years? Is that normal? Could there be something else causing them to go bad like this or are they just bad drives?"

If a good defrag is not performed in any way on a harddrive and the files are as scattered as they can be, does this lead to excessive work and effort on the part of a HDD?

Another thought I had was if the voltages aren't quite right coming from the power supply which on this model is either, I forget the first but it's around 75 watts and the larger PS offered with this pc is 145W. The problem is, both of these wattages is extremely inferior to todays standards, I'm surprised it had W98 as an OS with such a large (in it's day) HDD. So it is possible even if the harddrive is replaced, I fear the new one will meet the same fate as the ones before it.

So here's where I request a think tank/discussion from the professors in this classroom. Any ideas/experiences pc professors?

FTT





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FTT....you may be on to something here.

Yes, a constant low voltage, especially on the 12V leg, can cause premature failure of the hard drive.

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As I always say, I guess I don't look as dumb as I am, http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif UH, Is that the way it goes? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

The voltages may be OK but the low wattage definitely will cause insufficient current that may cause things to run slower but at the same time hotter allowing a premature burnout due to heat rather than excessive amperage. Been there, done that.

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I tell ya what, I've never seen brains in action, till now!!! Do you really think that all this time it has been a lousy power supply? That would be one up on Best Buy who has taken care of this thing till last year when the warrenty ran out. I've got the thing right here under my nose but I don't know what you need. Should I just put down everything that is on the label? It's got lots of numbers on it but to me, nothing clear as to what it is! Let me know, I'm here. Cooled down enough here to run this computer without being paranoid it was gonna overheat.
LG http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

If it wasn't for the manual that we downloaded from IBM, I would not be aware of the fact that your power supply is very weak. There's two models of Aptivas for each year of production with submodels ineach. Yours happens to be the bargain one with the smaller everything. The models ending in 53 or 57 or whatever else are the small ones, where the ones ending in 37 or 33 are the mid tower larger power supply models. I luckily own an older yet more powerful one of the 2137 series. If you look in the manual you'll find it.

The following I know because of recent problems with my IBM pc.
The problem with the power supplies and the motherboards in these pc's is that the power switch engages a logic circuit on the mobo that in turn engages a type of confirmation solenoid, for lack of a more appropriate electronical term (I have been known to be a mechanic in the past). But anyway, the switch is push on, release off, what is known as momentary contact. So the only way the pc will stay powered up is through the logic (recognizes that all is well and then engages the solenoid to the power supply) circuit. The thing is that I don't think, without going through IBM themselves, that we are going to find a power supply that incorporates this type of circuitry. (Here's where I hope I'm wrong) But there are PS's that have their own switch which, for someone like me, would be NO problem to install and get used to. So at this point, and for another reason or two I'll get to in soon, is we need to contact IBM to see if we can find a 200 or better watt PS that will fit your micro ATX case. Man, there's a lot to this, I'm not even a third of the way done explaining because it gets even more complicated. But I'll post this for now and in the meantime, try to figure out how to put the rest in layman terms.

I'll be BACH,

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Plan A (of three part series)

There is an approach that, if it were me, being able to know what I'm talking about and learning from my mother, the golden rule of 'not taking no for an answer', involves getting IBM to come clean with a pc that's been cursed since day one. What you do is complain to them directly and tell them that the damned thing has been in Best Buy's hands MORE than it's been in yours, PERIOD. And you are damned sick and tired of having lost data, bringing it in for service, using it awhile and it happening all over again, over and over.

Have you kept receipts??? That would be your ticket to a new pc or factory free warranty work (upgrade). Especially if the dates are spread out enough to give you blanket warranty coverage right through to when you put it up last. Please post or e-mail this info so we can decide which route to take. I need the "Rest of The Story" from purchase date to now.

Another problem with IBM's PS's is the plug it uses to the motherboard. I don't recognize it as a common type of plug and socket. Here's where iisbob could step in and either confirm or correct me. (another place I would hope to be wrong) But if true, again, someone that doesn't mind a little soldering couldn't "fenangle" another PS to put it in place. (Snip, snip, solder, solder, OK We're in.) About 16 wires in all, maybe a few less, I'd have to look.

Then again, the 200 watt PS from the 2137 models may fit. If this is the case, this is where the 'I ain't takin' no for an answer' comes in again because you tell them it should have been a factory recall and fix with shipping included. Or at least send a PS and HDD to you or a dealer. Tell them you are sick and tired of Circuit Cities Bozo's that don't have a clue. Don't back down because you are the little 'guy' and they are the ominous corporate giant, if it wasn't for us, they wouldn't be here.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. What I'm trying to do is, get it fixed for you for free if that ain't obvious enough. They know that there's some lemons out there and should understand and make good on it. I hope.------ End of Plan A

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Ok, i've been browsing thru this long posting on this Aptiva ( http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ), and i have two suggestions; If you know for a fact the Hardrive is dead and, want to replace the power supply this is what i would do. Buy a new case with a 300w PS ( they are around $30-$40 ), take everyhting out of th old Aptiva and place it in the new case, you should be able to pick up a 20GB drive for around $50.

This will give you the benefit of building a " new " PC, gaining the experiance of building your own-and solve your HD/PS problems all in one fell swoop.

i do suggest you follow Pete's advice first and make double sure you've thuroughly tested the drive to be sure it's dead before you go on a spending spree. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

As a side note-i installed XP on the old Aptiva awhile back just to see how it ran ( 64MB's PC100 mem/4GB drive, K6-2 450, 8x CDROM ), actually ran ok once i turned all the " extra's " off. But it took up %50 of the HD space just to load the default install of XP! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

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Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.-Mark Twain

I was just reading the manual and discovered that the power supplies leads on mine is different than Lady's newer one so Bob's got it right but it never hurts to try and see what IBM is willing to do. I was just getting back here to correct myself.

And that explains why when I had the problem with mine in an earlier thread that noone knew what I meant. The leads on mine are all in a row rather than in pairs and until I looked real close I failed to see the difference. Thanks to the magnifier in Acrobat Reader I found it.

I stand corrected and humbled http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif . Oh well, I tried...

But you've got to admit, it's tough fixing something sight unseen. If it weren't for the manual I'd be sayin' now hold on here!

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Wow, such alot of information to take in. FTT, I have every reciept on this thing from the day I bought it, through all the fixes. I can't remember for sure (old age)but at one point I seem to remember telling Best Buy that I thought there was something wrong with the fan, I think it was making a noise. I had no idea that it was called a power supply so I just called it a fan. I don't know if they fixed it or not, the few times I had it on before I packed it away it didn't make any funny noises. I wish I had known then what I know now, I would have been on IBM from day one but at this late date I really don't see much of a chance of getting them to do anything at all about it. Bob, I was wondering about this "case" idea. That's a pretty good idea, I think I might look into that. I haven't been on any spending sprees----yet, http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif but I have been known to go into Best Buy and my family can't find me for several hours! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I would have to get a case that matched the mobo pattern of screws wouldn't I? I am looking at something else strange here. This may be FTTs solenoid. In the second drive bay under the CDROM drive is a small flat silver metal box, bout a third of the height of a CDROM drive and fully as long as one. It doesn't have any power plugs coming out of it but does have a ribbon cable, goes from it to the hard drive to the mobo. Any guesses as to what that is? Now, this power supply, if I increase the power to the machine won't I fry something else? Aren't the components set for a certain amount of power going to them? Looking back over FTTs post about the ps plug to the mobo, would that be a problem,the plug on another ps fitting the socket? It looks to have twenty wires to it. I've been trying to wade through that manual myself but it's hard, it doesn't talk like you all do, in plain english. If I do decide to get a new case and ps, you all will help me get it all together right? There are lots of little "thingys" all over that mobo, they scare me! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif Hey, I may even learn the proper names for all of them too!! I really feel like I'm gonna be able to make an informed decision here thanks to all the ideas and help I'm getting. As always, my thanks to all of you on this board for your time and knowledge. I think I'm gonna go do a google and see what the net has to say about cases and such. Keep the ideas coming. Amazing what people can do when they put their heads together. I'll be back in a bit.
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Nope, increasing the wattage of the power supply will not fry anything...a power supply will supply a voltage and a certain amount of amps to yeild a maximum amount of watts for that particular voltage. lets say you current power supply supplies 5 amps on the 12V leg...that is 60Watts, now if you have three devices on that leg all requiring 2 amps each and you try to run them all at the same time you can see where problems will develop....one or more of them is not going to have enough power (the time that the most power is needed is during a cold boot when everything is trying to power up at once). so lets say you find a case/power supply that is in the 300W range you will now have 10A available on the 12 volt leg....same three devices, now you have 4A "leftover"...no underpowered devices!

(the numbers quoted are for reference and the ease of doing the math...power supplies are usually not so nice, things like 12.5A are common)

The solenoid thing that FTT is talking about is probably just what is known as a switching power supply...most computer power supplies are like this (ATX form factor has a 20 wire plug).

That small metal box sounds like it can be another drive of some kind.....wish I could see it.

As for moving over to a new case.....it can be hard to write down everything that needs to be done, but we will be here to help as much as we can. Pics would be good, a movie better but a live warm body standing by to show you would be best.....sure that some of the others will have many helpful suggestions when the time comes.

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Mjc,

I guess next we'll be explaining Ohm's Law and the various series/parallel circuits, rectifiers, capacitance, coolohms and the likes http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif AW heck, I might as well just send Lady my high school electronics lab manual complete with all my notes and experiments on vacuum tubes, diodes and the works! I especially like the section on push/pull power amplifiers where it takes the effort of two to come to a common goal though http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif UNNGH!

My IBoMb doesn't even have the decency to say how many watts the PS is so I had to total it up per each leg. Mine happened to come out to 195 watts so I just rounded it off. Anyway for simlicity, Volts times Amps equals Wattage in most cases with resistance and impedance tweaking that slightly to the less occasionally (actually by physics LAW). Add the totals and that's what your PS is.

OH WELL, This is my eighth post so I guess I'm stuck in limbo till you guys get caught up to me. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

Oh and it does look as if I did go a little off on a tangent there back aways, I was tired and not thinking too clearly. The get it for free had a nice ring to it though...(guess cause I'm a product of growing up in the sextys and the seventys) http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif LOL

Actually the part of myBM that fried, actually broke in the fiasco at the shop, is the startup circuit. I had to by-pass that and now you plug it in, it's on, unplug it, it's off. That simple. And the darn shop didn't even give me a discount on the RAM I bought after they were the ones that messed it up. (can I say Pricks!) http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/mad.gif

LadyGrey,

Could you take a pic of that other drive you mention? Our curiousity is definitely up and there's a possibility of another plan before going shopping. If it's hooked to the HDD lead the solution may be a total horse of another color. We didn't realize there was another component involved. We're waiting... http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Does it look like another HDD? Maybe only one of them is bad (though sometimes bad is good?)

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Hello my friends, I've been a busy person here. I have a little dig. camera that Santy Claus brought me for Christmas and I've been busy with that today putting pictures up on my family site of the IBM Bomb. It's not a very expensive camera so don't expect Nationl Geographic Photos but they at least came out enough that you can see the computer. I took pictures of the UFO box too, inside the computer and out so you could get a better look at it. My family site is http://www.1bigred.com/users/mntycrlo82
You will want to go to page 5, that's the one I just put up. It will take awhile to load as my ISP is a little local one and not very fast or big. But hey, it's 25 free MB of space and I had to learn about FTP and site building to even do what I've done so it's cool. I've been busy looking around the net today too and I've found some cases that I want you all to look at after we get the mystery of the UFO box solved. Any way, let me know if you can see the pictures ok and thanks so much for all the help!!
LG http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif BTW, I didn't even know that UFO thing was in there till you all got me really looking at the insides of this thing! See, I'm learning! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

Ummm...maybe this is a case of Java bites again, but I get a blank white page with nothing on it. Email me a pic of the UFO drive. The address should be at the top left of this page where it says Moderated By and the email link. On second thought, I'm in the provcess of switching over, I'll email you with another one.

When talking power supplies one thing the folks here need to remember. 200 watts might not be sufficient for a new 1GHz machine with a huge hard drive, CD ROM, CD burner, 32MB video card, etc, but for this machine...an older one...200W should be plenty. It doesn't draw nearly as much power as newer hardware sometimes does. So when you consider power supply recommendations, keep in mind the basic system involved. With a 1GHz machine and new hardware, multiple hard drives or CD ROM drives, etc you would want a 400W job, but whoever it was that said above that 200W was not sufficient by today's standards didn't consider the fact that this machine was not built by today's standards. My 450 is running on a 200W power supply right now...The machine I'm typing on...But it's fairly light on components too, one hard drive, one CD ROM, one floppy, two PCI 2MB video cards.

I'd like to know what the mystery drive is, that may have a big impact on this problem. If it is a hard drive, it might change the situation a bit too...

I think the folks helping here have figured out one defnite issue to consider, if the machine does have the lower wattage power supply that could be exactly what has been causing hard drive failures, for the reasons they stated. If it is 75W it's just not capable of handling the system. The 145W might do ok, but 75W would be underpowered. The new case idea might also be worth considering, but let's find out about the UFO first, and be sure we're dealing with a standard ATX power connection. The mounting holes should not be a problem, if you do decide on a new case they usually have a number of holes for adaptation to almost any motherboard that will fit inside the case.

You have mail.

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Gosh Pete, sorry you had such trouble with my family site. I don't know anything about java, I know it's a program language? It could also have been my ISP, I love them dearly they are local and they try very hard. Sometimes they have their problems tho. Unlike some of the "other" ones, they will try to help with anything, not just their service and you get real people and real answers. I used Picture It to build my site and upload it. It comes up ok for me, takes awhile to load but it comes up. Any who, I'll find my pictures and make sure they are a decent size to send through email and try to get them to you this morning. Has anyone heard from FTT? Kind of unusual not have seen anything from him.
You answered my next question before I even had a chance to ask it! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif I was wondering just how much power was enough? I was wondering if the guys remembered how old this Bomb was. It has 1 of everything, HDD,Floppy,CDROM, Modem card, UFO box, intergrated video and audio, so I was worried that too much power would not necessarly be a good thing! The power supply plug has twenty wires in pairs. That's one reason that I want you all to go look at the cases I found, after we get the UFO box figured out, to make sure they will work. These shoppping places smart off about this and that but never really tell you anything.
I'll get to work on the pictures now and quit rambling on here. LG http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif