Ultra ATA not SCSI ?!

[scroatbagg]

I have just checked in device manager and found that my 2 hard drives are down as SCSI not Ultra ATA drives. I am running win2k as a dual boot with win98, in win98 all is ok.. Any ideas or is this a quirk of win2k.?

[Rick]

What M/B are you using?
Are the drives connected to the primary IDE controller or to an onboard Raid controller Like the promise controller ?

If they are connected to the promise controller Win2k may be reading that and not the drives directly

[scroatbagg]

M?B, wouldnt have a clue, the system is not my own build it was a gift!! in exchange for an old laptop. Its a gateway p3 1Gig, I have run Sandra and that gives me no info at all on the Mobo.. The drives are connected to the ide controller. Any more ideas??

[ErnieK]

scroatbag
If you install "Belarc" www.belarc.com (http://www.belarc.com) this will probably give you all the info you want about mobo

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[EpoxEd]

I wouldn't worry about this... Win2K doesn't recongnize ATA66/100 and so just logs them as SCSI. It is only a definition, doesn't affect system performance. Another example of M$ unable to get updates out fast enough to keep up with advances in hardware. No doubt it will be fixed in the next SP.

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Senior citizen's toy
AMD1.4/RAID/Win2Kpro

[iisbob]

..Win2K doesn't recongnize ATA66/100 and so just logs them as SCSI

Wrong! W2k not only recognizes ATA features of 33>, it will even recognize the differnce between onboard SCSI and add-in SCSI controllers!

This is a function of chipset drivers included in 2k's HCL, if it's seeing your IDE as a SCSI setup, then you need to update the drivers for your motherboard.

i've run across this problem on boards that are 3-5 years old, and were setup for RAID configuration's-mostly VIA chipset's, once you update the drivers for that particular board, then 2k will show you the correct settings for your system.

Occasionally i've had to flash the BIOS with either a different one from another vendor w/the same board configuration ( i don't recommend this for the amatuer )or use an updated one from that particular vendor.

If it's functions fine, don't mess with it-only if it begins to cause problems with your data should you get concerned.



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iisbob

The man who sets out to carry a cat by its tail learns something that will always be useful and which never will grow dim or doubtful. -- Mark Twain.

[EpoxEd]

I'll take your word for the facts you state, in that you're obviously more educated in the trappings of Win2K, however, I have seen this stated in several places before. I can't remember if it was a Microsoft article or another forum, so I'll defer to you. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

edit: Guess I should mention that my system also calls my UltraDMA/IDE as SCSI, and I have updated drivers from the vendor (BIOS, Northbridge and Southbridge controllers, RAID controller, etc.)


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AMD1.4/RAID/Win2Kpro

[This message has been edited by EpoxEd (edited 03-24-2002).]

[iisbob]

Not trying to be a smart ass, Epox { by the way, that's one of my fav vendor's-and happens to be the some of the ones i've trouble shooted with this problem }-it seems to be an issue with 2k's HCL and the vendor supplied chipset drivers & BIOS; specifically the K133 series; and as i posted above there's nothing to be concerned about as long as you don't have any problem using the drive(s).

As for postings on this issue, i've seen numerous one's where they either claim that Athlon's won't work with Nvidia Geforce chipsets ( another hogwash notion ) or that Via chipsets are incompatioble with AMD's CPU's.

What it generally boils down to is that they incorrectly configured the system when they built it-or that they got ahold of the wrong driver's; example: i had a young man recently kept having problems with his G card and his system ( an ABIT VIA KT266A ), turns out he had the wrong AGP drivers installed-some fool in a supposedly " knowledgeable " post had told him that he needed to use SIS drivers! obviously the idiot didn't even bother to read the guys specs or he'd have seen the reference to VIA chipset ( KT266A ).

So what i'm saying is that, yes-there have been some of these problems reported by reputable people, however if you follow them up you'll see that generally it was a BIOS or driver issue that fixed it with that particular board.

Heck, for a long time after 95 came out i spent hours trying to show people that it is not the same as NT-even tho they looked similar ( 95 was released after NT-and uses a very similar GUI ) and couldn't be operated the same.

This also applied to vendors who had to now come up with a completely different set of drivers/BIOS for there boards that would work with this new commercial OS.

Even in XP i've noticed some " glitches " http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif



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iisbob

The man who sets out to carry a cat by its tail learns something that will always be useful and which never will grow dim or doubtful. -- Mark Twain.

[EpoxEd]

iisbob: I did a little research into this issue with IDE devices being reported as SCSI... turns out that long time ago ASUS came out with a SCSI emulator for ATAPI drives, and others followed suit. As a matter of fact, the VIA IDE miniport driver that is supported by Microsoft is a SCSI-miniport driver that emulates SCSI for ATA/ATAPI devices. It does so to get increased performance from IDE devices. However, 3rd party vendor drivers will show the IDE drives as SCSI.

For your "for what it's worth department"! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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AMD1.4/RAID/Win2Kpro

[iisbob]

Thank you Epoxed, that just increases my store of meager knowledge one little bit more! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

maybe someday i'll finally get a handle on these Personal Confusers!! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif LOL!




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iisbob

The man who sets out to carry a cat by its tail learns something that will always be useful and which never will grow dim or doubtful. -- Mark Twain.