Having problems backing up my Playstation games

[Albatator]

Help!! I have a CD adapter program 3.0 (or something like that, it's a good one through) and when I try to burn my Playstation Game (For Backup Only!!!!) it says it can't do it. I forgot the Actual Message but it's like doesn't have enough power or could only do 100x or something like that.

But this is a good CD burner Program!! Do I have to buy a New Burner Program? Help! Or is there something I could do??? Thanks

[mjc]

Playstation games use a special format that is especially designed to prevent any form of copying so it is extremely difficult or impossible to copy them. Besides the EULA for PS games doesn't allow for backups so it would be a violation of the copyright to copy them.

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mjc

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[Albatator]

Sounds like you're serious about people not backing up their PSX games. I just wanted it for Back up in case the Games that I brought get scratched.

Besides people are copying and backing up their games and it is possible. So I don't know if you were misinformed. Programs like Nero (yes, Nero but you have change the extension if it's not .nrg and change the data mode) or CloneCd will work.

Why are you serious on the subject anyway? People are copying their games.. like it or not. And it can be done.. so I don't know how you say it can't be done. Of course we know that the Makers of the Games don't like us to do that,(Duh) but hey.. It's techonolgy.. Same as burning Music CD's man!! Are you against that too?

But in my defense I am using it as a backup.. I like to own the original game with the original casing and everything.

I'm all for the Video Industry for making thier money on their games. They do work hard for it... BUT to hear preaching when asking advice is not necessary... And to give wrong advice is not right.

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[Paleo Pete]

I can't say anything about the possibility of backing up Playstation games, but I can back up the folks on here.

We are on a public forum, and Charles is responsible for the legal aspects of the advice given. If we suggest or advise illegally copying software, it can result in problems for him. We have to pay attention to the laws concerning copying software, and licensing agreements.

I know it's done all the time, and is a hot issue, especially MP3's. We can't support illegally copying software here though, and if the EULA says it's not allowed, we can't help you with it. Period.

mjc may be also correct about the format of Playstation disks, I'm not sure about that...but if it's illegal, then we can't condone it, even if it IS for backup purposes, which we all DO support...

Sorry to lecture you again, but I do have to stand behind these guys and their comments when they do the right thing.

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[Albatator]

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How can Charles be responsible for the legal aspects of the advice given when the Terms and Conditions state so?

I agree exactly about your concerns on legal matters and violations but I didn't know I was was breaking any Rules by asking for info? And of course I agree with mjc standings about violations but when he said it's "extememly difficult or impossible to copy them" is not exactly true. He didn't research enough on that to back that up..

And you can't tell me if you own a CD-RW you Guys never back up Programs. Despite the warnings on them. It's the Bad People who misabuse the Techonogies that we have that gives the innocent guys a bad rep...

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Then you have to lecture a whole percent of people that own CD-RW's..

Don't get me wrong I agree with you but come on now... people's going to burn them anyway and your wording is not going to stop them. I'm not talking about Me personally but it's the concept of it.

It's like Vegetrians telling people not to eat meat, and whoever does is bad, bad.

It's like the very religious that says not to fornicate or to wear condoms, etc because it's a sin...

and stuff like that...

Remember I agree with you, but I'm just being a Devil's advocate http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[mjc]

Albatator, well first off yes it is possible but not very easy and how many of those you say do it all the time have you seen actually play those copies? Second if you read your license agreements you'll realize that most PC software allows at least one archival backup.

Now of course it is possible to copy just about anything but like I said before "it is extremely difficult or impossible". Just how may "coasters" does one have to make before you get one good copy? Is it worth it? Impossible can mean more than physically impossible (though that does figure into it to some degree) sometimes being more trouble than it's worth is just as impossible as actually not being able to do something. (I was going to give you a quote from a mag about Sony's format for PS games but I can't find the issue now, yeah lame I know, but it was a side bar in a MaximumPC article about CDRWs).

But all of that said yes I do know that it can and will be done and some games and software that are hot today may be like three day old fish next week and then no would really care if it was copied but for the time being on an open, public forum like this one here I can't really see the risking passing on info that may be illegal. Some forms of copying music are allowable (for private use if you actually own the original) but software follows somewhat different rules (governed by the license agreement). I don't support wide-scale 'swapping' of mp3s either but I am realistic enough to know that it happens. I also know that if we can't try to regulate ourselves (computer users) eventually we will have a whole bunch of very restrictive regulations pushed down our throats by a bunch of high power lawyers and legislators. Then who will we have to blame?

Sorry if I came across a little preachy. Check all the info with the game because some of the third party (non-Sony) games may allow archival copies (especially ports from other platforms), but I doubt it.

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[Albatator]

Well I don't mean to be a pain but in Reality bases..come on now..

Anyway did you just read about it not working, wasted time, blah, blah, or did you actually tried it yourself.

And yes, it does work.. besides the disk run about 20 cents each.. big deal..

I think you Guys are really making a big deal about nothing, on the "Other" PC message boards this is discussed and it's no big deal. People go "Blah, blah, blah," and it's over... And there is a Open Forum on a Legit Discussion Board discussing on how to Back up your Games...

I'm sorry if I tickle your Moral spot but.... This is what people want... companies will try to find a way to stop it of course.. but someone's going to do something that will override it.

Like the Plug Mod Chips, The Playstation 900x series took off the Port slot for it and Bang someone eles invented something eles for it.

Anyway I'll see you on Church Sunday...I have to return this quarter I found on the street to the Lost and Found, it'll be so bad for me to keep someone eles's stuff... (Just Joking, Guys) Life is short, didn't mean to offend anyone..... remember I'm playing Devil's Advocate.. I buy my own games.. really,

[Albatator]

This is a quickie to Pete..

First I like to thank you for all your help!!

Second, just a silly question on your comment above..

Does Someone really Cruise the Messages Board on the Internet and report back to the Big Bosses and really do something about it??

These message boards are more for entertainment than anything eles.. that's why there are some many Disclaimers on this site.

"Not responsible for any loss resulting from the use of this site."

"Please read the Site Guide before using this material"

Everybody knows these Message Boards are Free Form Discussions and not Real Experts giving advice. (I think that's why there's no Doctor forums!! "How to remove your Liver in 4 easy steps")

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[Paleo Pete]

Is it getting warm in here or is it just me? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

OK, I missed the mark on the legal issue. If you read through the agrrement you electronically signed before being able to post, you'll notice it also says:


You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material.

I added the bold text. If it involves bypassing copyright protection measures, we cannot help you do it.

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[mjc]

Yeah there are and I know that the FBI is currently hiring and training more people to do it. In fact they have recently created a whole new division dedicated to computer fraud (software piracy falls under this division, too). How do I know this, I've got someone bugging me that I should apply and get paid (GS8 to start, I think) to what I do for free (surf the web and look for interesting stuff).

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mjc

[Albatator]

boy, do you know how silly you sound. I was poking fun and you took it seriously. Ha, ha.

The FBI is looking for serious Offenders that are coping the CD's and selling it on the Black Market. That's the main concern. The Counterfeiter's already know how to do it professionally and won't be asking for advice in a little forum.

Anyway do you know there are dozens of Forums and Legit Sites have have discussions on how to back up Files and Games? I don't see them close down. Those are real Forums and Do Not tolerate Piracy so if someone mentions that they want to copy a game. They will be ask to leave. There are disclaimers on those sites saying it's for Back up puroses only.

So there are existing boards out there so why would they have someone snoop around these little sites.

Me thinks you have to much time on your hands! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Don't take this seriously, Life is short. Have Fun. Did you check out those Forums yet? Later...

[mjc]

Yeah and I know that just for "fun" or training they (FBI) just like to snoop around all over the web. How, the person who has been bugging me to apply has used my computer for "homework". I am kind of getting tired of hearing about that I'd be great for the job, because in reality I'd rather that we could buy something and then really own it, did you ever read the FCC warning on your modem, which would mean making as many backups as needed (for personal use). And I think that they should go after the Big Bad Software Pirates and leave the little guy alone but in reality you and me are easier to catch than they are, so who is more likely to end up with the short straw? It's not about about the size of the operation but getting numbers to justify the existence of the division, following, more or less, the same model that they used for setting up the anti-porn division. Which right now is putting alot of people through hell, but not very many of those who really matter.

It's not really about whether or not I think its ok to make a backup for my own use but if by doing so I am contributing to the erosion of our freedom by providing another point on some statistical analysis showing that we need some new kind of law to prohibit my ability to backup the software I purchased then I would rather not tell someone else how to do something that a few years from now could put some more restrictions on my privacy and freedom. (check this out for some sobering thoughts on where it all could lead:www.pcguide.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000070.html (http://www.pcguide.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000070.html)).


Oh and by the way you don't really know if I applied for the job or not and I don't know if you did either. So to be on the safe side .......
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[Albatator]

Who are you trying to impress by showing off that you're awesome for the job. Read your writings sometime. I'm not saying anything bad about you because I don't know you but it sounds very egotistic..

If the FBI want to crack down on Regular Joe's who just brought a CDRW and just want to experiment with their New Toys are wasting a lot of Money and time on the operations. They are not a danger to the Industry. It's the damn bootleggers that makes it hard for the industry and it's not hard to track them down. All they have to do is pose as a buyer and Boom, catch the Crooks.

I personally think there are some much crime like Kidnappings, unsolve murder cases, Elian, and the violence (schools, work, etc) in our society for FBI to be worry about a kid backing up his CD's..

Plus you never answer my other question, there are Forums out there with thousands of people helping each other LEGALLY to back up their Games.. What do you think about that? I think you should go those Boards to preach to them and that the FBI will catch them all.

So I don't know why you told me to be Careful when people are discussing it Freely. And read my Comments which say that I OWN the games and support buying Games.

[Paleo Pete]

OK, one more time...The point here is that if the EULA says no backups, or if Nintendo has implemented copy protection measures, we can't help you do it. Period. I don't care how many people are doing this, and how many are freely discussing it on Internet Forums, if the EULA specifies that you cannot copy the games, it is illegal and we can't help you figure out how to do it. That's that.

I'm certainly in favor of backing up software, and if the UCITA (http://www.pcguide.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000065.html) is enacted into law, we might not even be able to do that. We also won't be able to warn people about bad software, and the software companies will not be required to produce a product that meets their advertising claims. That's just the surface, and I seriously hope it does not happen. Some companies are already doing things of this nature, such as forcing you to agree to a license you can't read until you open the package, and once you open it you've already agreed to the license. Then you find out you don't agree with it and it's too late.

As for backing up Playstation games. I see no reason not to do so, but if Nintendo says you can't do so, then you're asking for help in the wrong forum.

If you know where these forums are, that discuss copying these programs openly, why aren't you checking them out instead of arguing about it here?

I won't tolerate anyone stirring up trouble on the forums, your last comment "Who are you trying to impress by showing off that you're awesome for the job. Read your writings sometime. I'm not saying anything bad about you because I don't know you but it sounds very egotistic.." is liable to do so, whether you intended anything derogatory or not. It still can be taken the wrong way, and make someone angry.

Time to close this one and drop it.


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