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Moz
01-18-2001, 08:54 PM
Hi!
I've just found out about PC Guide - quality site, why havn't I found it earlier!?
Anyway, I have a problem with Windows 98 - it reads ALL CDs as Audio CDs, even Data ones. If I put an Audio CD in the drive, it works fine, but if I try putting a Data one in Windows registers this as an Audio CD with one audio track (which I assume is the length in seconds of the data track on the CD).
Its a Creative CDRW 2224. However windows uses the drivers for the Creative CDRW EW 2024E (and has done since I installed it and it's worked fine with them until recently).
I've tried everything I can think of, reinstalling the drive (both physically and in Windows), "updating" the drivers for it (although I don;t think this really worked), removing things like Easy CD Creator and removing everything from memory except systray and explorer.
I've cleaned the CD using one of those not-so-good-at-cleaning-but-it-saves-me-taking-the-drive-apart CD cleaning discs http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif but to no avail.
Now I know you're thinking the CD drive is just dirty and needs a damn good clean, and why am I posting in the operating systems forum... but..
My machine is dual booting and if I boot into Linux it reads CDs perfectly well, no problems, all Data, all CDs!?

Anyway, hope someone can help as this happened a few months ago and I ended up reinstalling Windows (suprise!) but I really don;t want to do that agin so I'd love a way round it...

Thanks for any help!

Moz

PS. Nearly forgot, it seemed to go dodgy when I put a definately bad CD drive from another computer in to see if it would work in mine (which incedently it didnt)..... the bad drive I put in was a creative 32xmx drive (which Windows naturally auto-detected and installed the drivers for)... could these have killed my CD Writer drivers? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif

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Paleo Pete
01-19-2001, 08:41 AM
It's possible the drivers are an issue, that's about all I can think of.

I have the same basic problem and haven't been able to figure out a cure. I have 2 data CD's and one loaded with pictures, all read as audio CD's containing one track, which of course won't play...

I'll certainly be watching this topic to see if anyone has a clue. I'd like to be able to use the data CD's again.

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scada
01-19-2001, 07:16 PM
Hey Guys,


I found this in a old book of mine called "Troubleshooting & repairing PC drives & memory systems". It says that older CD-roms( proprietary drives) often used 2 low level drivers, one for audio and one for data. It goes on to say that if only one of the drivers loaded then all cds would be considered either data or audio depending on which driver loaded.

The solution is to check your Config.sys for which drivers are being loaded. Also check any command line switches. It says that some sound cards in which the cdrom controller is intergrated with the card might not work with a different CDrom's drivers and that you may need to change IRQ, DMA,or I/O settings and update the command line switches until you find a combination that allows the controller and driver to work together.

This might be what is happening with Moz. Mabey it can help you too Pete though it sounds like your problem is different.


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Paleo Pete
01-20-2001, 07:47 AM
My problem is my computer doesn't like old bald farts! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I haven't bothered yet, but I think I need to go into Safe Mode and see if I still have old CD ROM drivers lying around...need to do that soon though, since I have to dig into this thing and figure out a couple other minor problems as well. It'll have to wait till I get my transmission reinstalled and the wheels back on the road though...that's 1st on my list. Can you say frozen fingers?

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Moz
01-22-2001, 05:50 PM
Well, I dunno if anyone is following this thread, but I've spent the past few days trawling through the bottomless pit of infomation which is the Internet, and Usenet to try and remdy the faulty CD drive..

What I have found is:
a) I'm not alone, I've found about 9 other people so far with the same problem
b) No-one knows what to do except format the hard-drive and reinstall
c) Girlfriends don't like you devoting copious amounts of time on a Cd-Drive
c) 1) Especially if you're not spending a copious amount of time on said Girlfriend
c) 2) And especially not when you go out and buy another brandspanking new DVD-CD drive for the "interim"....

Take heed! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

Moz


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Moz
01-22-2001, 06:00 PM
Sorry, I forgot why I was posting then!

In reply to Scada:
I've tried fiddling with the DMA setting (I origionally had a problem with the drive in that DMA was on when I installed it and the machine hung every time I tried to write with the drive - turning off DMA solved this), but to no avail http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif
And I'm not sure which drives you mean in the Config.sys file. Here's a "dump" of mine if it means anything:
Config.sys
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
device=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
Country=044,850,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\country.sys

My autoexec.bat reads:
SET CTCM=C:\WINDOWS
SET BLASTER=A220 I7 D1 H7 P330 T6
SET SBPCI=C:\PROGRA~1\CREATIVE\CTSND\DOSDRV
mode con codepage prepare=((850) C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ega.cpi)
mode con codepage select=850
keyb uk,,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\keyboard.sys
PATH c:\windows;c:\windows\Command;c:\JDK1.3\bin

I don't know if those sound blaster settings are standard, or could this be doing someting?

I'll not post the others (win.ini et al.) as they'll take up a load of space.
On a further note though I have noticed that my ATI multimedia video device is not functioning correctly, and thinking along the lines of what you said regarding something stopping the data drivers and not the audio ones from being loaded, I tried reinstalling the device. This consisted of just reinstalling the Rage Fury package from the ATI website, but it hasn;t fixed the problem, the multimedia video device is still faulty.
Here's what "hwinfo.exe /ui" has to say about the matter:
Class: MEDIA
This Device Has a Problem: Code=2 (0x2)
Device failure: Try changing the driver for this device. If that doesn't work,
see your hardware documentation.
DeviceDesc: ATI Multimedia Video Driver
Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\ROOT\MEDIA\0000
Hardware Resource Section
Inst2 resources:
Alloc resources:
None
Extra Registry information Section
Driver Information section
Driver: MEDIA\0000
DriverDate: No Information
Driver: atippcap.vxd
File Size: No Information
File Date: No Information

Now looking at this it seems as though the driver for the device isn;t actually onmy system (the no information bit on File size); but I'm not clued up as to what will happen to my system if I remove the entry in System Info setup thingy (technical term http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif ) and reboot windows for it to "autoinstall" it. Will this be OK or might I loose my picture?

Any help would be appreciated, sorry to go off on a tangent but this >may< be related?

thanks!

Moz


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Moz
01-22-2001, 07:32 PM
More tips of wisdom http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif:

OK, so the installation of the DVD drive didn't go as planned, first of all my CD writer didn;t like being slave to it (hmm bit of jealousy there m'thinks), then when I swapped them round (DVD slave, CD Writer Primary) I could get as far as windows loading, but the system hanging on selecting the DVD drive... so I turned DMA off on the DVD drive (which Adaptec CD creator has advised me isn;t a good idea), AND on the hard drive (is this a good idea?)...
This still didn;t work, so I've ended up with the HD on IDE1 as Master, with the DVD as slave, and the CD writer on IDE2 as Master..
The DVD can read data CDs now, but the CD writer still can't http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

And I've learned in the past hour:
Never, ever install some new hardware, screw it in, close all the case covers, screw them in, tidy up your workspace, put your tools away and get a coffee expecting whatever you've installed to work. At all.
Don't forget, when you're fixing above hardware problem, that if you don;t screw in the "fasteners" (ie in my case the screws which hold the CD drives in place) then the hardware item isn't secure. On no account then try and close the CD tray by pushing it in. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif
Keep an eye on the IDE cable you've taken out (whilst cursing) and on no account let the cat have a nibble on it. The cable doesn't like this, and neither does the cat. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Anyway... sorry to digress again!

Can someone talk me through the steps of manually removing the driver for my CD rom which isn;t working anymore... if I got to Control Panel (oh there's another thing, I may as well get them all of my chest in one go... Control panel can;t load language resources anymore.. any ideas?) and then System info I can't get the Driver File details so I don;t know which files I should delete...
It's coming up saying Driver: Creative CD-RW 2024E
But then goes on to say Device Type: CD-ROM
Manufacturer: (Standard CD-ROM device)

does this mean the Creative drivers arn;t being used?

Thanks again for any help!

Moz


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scada
01-23-2001, 10:57 AM
OK...First I missed read your first post. You have a cd burner which will be either a IDE drive or a SCSI drive. In your case IDE , so there won't be any low level drivers. ( those drivers were only used when the CD was "plugged" into the sound card.)

The Sound blaster settings look OK. But I would need to know which sound blaster card your using to be sure. In any case the settings won't affect the CD-ROM drive.


The 2224 drivers are going to be hard to find. In almost ever case that I found Windows98 seems to perfer using the "E" drivers. (2024 or the 4224).
To unistall the drive boot into safe mode. Open control panel and remove the drive. Reboot and Windows will find the drive for you.


As for your video problem what exactly is wrong?

Oh and one other note I wouldn't turn off DMA for any device unless it was having problems. So I would leave the DMA for the hard drive "on".




[This message has been edited by scada (edited 01-23-2001).]

Moz
01-23-2001, 03:06 PM
<argh> I just lost my message from putting the wrong password in, n'mind..

I've uninstalled the drive in safe mode and rebooted, but the problem is still persisting http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif
However I have noticed that the Logical Unit Number for the drive in Device manager is 0 and the Target ID is also 0. Reading through some messages someone suggested this might cause a problem with a CD writer - ever head of that at all? How can I change these settings? The settings for my DVD are LUN 0 Target 1 and this seems to work fine, maybee I should try and get LUN 1 Target 0 on the CD Writer?

As for the video probelm, it was a device conflict in device manager, but after removing it and rebooting the ATI multimedia Video device has disappeared....

Still no email from Creative with any suggestions for the drive http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif


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scada
01-23-2001, 07:13 PM
The LUN refers to the controller the device is connected to.
So since both the DVD and the CDRW are connected to the same IDE channel they'll both have the same LUN. The TARGET number should be different for each device ..... I have heard of the "LUN" problem but it should only affect USB devices.

If windows didn't ask for the new drivers for the ATI card. Then I would install them manually. Here's a link that may help. ( it explains how to manually install the drivers.)


ATI problem with Windows 98 (http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q231/7/79.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0&qry=q231779&rnk=1&src=DHCS_MSPSS_gn_SRCH&SPR=W98SE)

Good luck and I'll keep looking for more information.
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[This message has been edited by scada (edited 01-23-2001).]

Moz
01-26-2001, 06:55 AM
Yey!

Someone has a website dedicated to the problem I've been having!
Apparently the problem is caused by Incompatibility between firmware version 2.06 and the Adaptec UDF Reader, installed manually, or by
DirectCD 3.
Thanks to "MTDay" for the solution, he has a website with the information here (http://www.junkroom.freeserve.co.uk/jvc2080.htm).
I havn't tried it yet as my home Internet connection is down (house mates didn't pay their share of the phone bill, bloody students http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif ), but that's the same firmware version as me!

Anyway, gotta scoot home to try the solution out!

Scada - thanks for the ibnfo on the ATI problem as well! I'll have to wait till next week to try that (got exams coming up on tuesday/wednesday) so I'll post a follow up and let you know if it worked..

Thanks again!

Moz
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Moz
01-30-2001, 04:53 AM
Yey!
It's worked! Finally http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif
I uninstalled Direct CD (which I had done before) and made sure there was no trace of the UDF reader files in Windows/system32/iosubsys (I think the file was UDFReadr.DLL or similar) and rebooted. Voila, one finally working CD drive!

Thanks very much for the help everyone!!! Very much appreciated
Moz


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