Could Hollywood hack your PC ?

[randyrhoads1981]

US congress is about to consider an entertainment industry proposal that would authorize copyright holders to disable PCs used for file trading. This would mean, copyright holders could use, worms, virusses, denial-of-service attacks, and domain name hijacking.

Sponsored by Reps. Howard Berman, D-Calif., and Howard Coble, R-N.C., the measure would permit copyright holders to perform nearly unchecked electronic hacking if they have a "reasonable basis" to believe that piracy is taking place. Berman and Coble plan to introduce the 10-page bill this week.

The legislation would immunize groups such as the Motion Picture Association of America and the Recording Industry Association of America from all state and federal laws if they disable, block or otherwise impair a "publicly accessible peer-to-peer network."

Anyone whose computer was damaged in the process must receive the permission of the U.S. attorney general before filing a lawsuit, and a suit could be filed only if the actual monetary loss was more than $250.

[terryf1960]

Authorized hacking? I can't see it. That would be like letting the police grag us from our homes and arrest us just because they have an intuition that something was amiss.

[setoguro]

I was thinking that things are getting really out of hand with this. The police have to keep the law when dealing with known criminals how can special rights be given to the entertainment industry? How about me when someone doesn't feel like paying me for painting work that I've done? Maybe now I'll be able to slip into their house when they're out and spray paint their walls with graffiti or how about the electrician ripping out all his work or the sider tearing the sides off someone's house. There is a place where problems are settled it's in the courts they're slow and a pain in the rear but that's the way it is for us all. The law is for everyone and everyone is under the law WE ARE ALL CREATED EQUAL UNDER THE LAW I think I've read that some were.

I'm with Terry I can't see it getting passed.

[gogreen1]

Right on Terry & Setoguro. If our country allows this. They will be able to do anything.

[philzee]

I believe Sony are putting something in their music CD's so that it will either not play when put in a PC or be unreadable, and why?, Just to stop the record labels from losing money. Eminems new CD was leaked from the studio so I don't see how this will work ....either way it won't take long for the cracking community to bypass this, after all they had XP hacked before it was on the shelves

[sea69]

hmm I wonder if collusion could be proved in this inane bill between the entertainment industry and the good senators.

SOMEBODIES GETTING PAID!!!!


:mad:

[philzee]

Originally posted by sea69
hmm I wonder if collusion could be proved in this inane bill between the entertainment industry and the good senators.

SOMEBODIES GETTING PAID!!!!


:mad:

and it aint me!!! ... Bring on the revolution :p

[joea64]

I agree. I can't see it getting passed either, but I'm extremely alarmed, disquieted and disgusted by this. This measure is nothing but corporate fascism. I do wonder, though, why there seems to be so little alarm about it outside the tech community. Call me a reactionary right-winger if you like, but if a Republican were to have proposed this legislation, I would bet you a hundred dollars to a bushel of doughnuts that the media would be shrieking to high heaven. Mr. Berman, though, is a Democrat, representing - I believe - Hollywood's district itself. ????????

-Joe-

[hiredgoonz]

Of course any system is hackable if you have enough time and smarts, but most of the people I know run at least a firewall and AV software...it's going to be extremely time consuming for them to hack individual pcs...

[RKBA]

Originally posted by terryf1960
Authorized hacking? I can't see it. That would be like letting the police grag us from our homes and arrest us just because they have an intuition that something was amiss.
No offense Terry, but you must not be keeping up with current affairs. The police have been doing that kind of thing for years. See for example the Alex Gonzales's case, the Steve Jackson BBS case, the Ruben and Denise Gonzalez’ case, and many others at http://home.pacbell.net/rsdotson/gov/govkills.htm

-- Ron

[sea69]

yeah in here in Baltimore the police USED to have to ask permission to cross the "threshold" of a private home- NOT anymore- if they say they are in the process of or happen on anything unrelated see something they feel warrants further investigation they can pursue INTO your home and god help you if you happen to have or be doing anything IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME that could be construed as unlawfull.

[YODA74]

That sucks. Letem come in my house see what happens It'll be the OK corral all over again, and believe me it won't be the Eurps that win that one. Once one hits the ground it really doen't matter what happens after that. I live within the law But at my land unless I have done something Illegal the jurisdiction of any Gov. or law enforcement ends.And i welcome any and all that want to put that to the test.Film at 11:00

[jabarnutcase]

HeHe-Reminds me of a sign a friend of mine has on his door:

(Has a picture of a revolver pointed at you)

Is there life after death? Enter and find out!

[mjc]

Who needs a hacker to get into a computer when there is this?

http://www.pcguide.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=550

Most people give WMP permission to by-pass their firewall, so the door is open...:eek:

[YODA74]

Our lives are not blank checks for government. Our backs were not made to be saddled nor our mouths to be bridled! We are the sovereigns--they are the servants.", and warns government minions:


"Back off.
Back off, now, before you step into the abyss.
Back off, now, while you are allowed to This is from the Boston's gun bible

[iisbob]

Interesting, for years now the NRA and your Constitutional right to bear firearms have been under exactly this kind of attack.

I recall that at one point after the Colombine fiasco that the Goverment ( read William J. crook ) wanted to allow Law enforcement agencies the right to summarily search anyone's home who had a registerd firearm for " illegal " un-registered weapons of " mass " destruction.

:rolleyes:

Ironic that one of the major ring leaders of the Anti-freedom movement was herself ( Sarah Brady ) busted for carrying a firearm without the proper permit. Her excuse; I was afraid that one of those gun loving nuts might harm me.


The entertainment industry is just pissed because they didn't catch on to how well the internet was going to do, they blew it off as a fad-now they are crying foul because they are not the ones reaping the whirlwind of capitolism now being generated.

I'd love for the entertainment industry to try and hack my home network, i DO network administration for a living, and you can bet your behind i've learn a trick or two over the years on how to catch and burn unautherized users.

If they think that Virii & other maliscious actions are harmful now, wait until they piss off the Geek community!

[philzee]

Originally posted by iisbob
I'd love for the entertainment industry to try and hack my home network, i DO network administration for a living, and you can bet your behind i've learn a trick or two over the years on how to catch and burn unautherized users.

If they think that Virii & other maliscious actions are harmful now, wait until they piss off the Geek community!

Well as my parents used to say "there is always someone bigger than you" I think there must be a good few ex-hackers working for the government now. And I think they will probably know quite a few tricks of thier own ;)

[iisbob]

No doubt, but my JOB { and hobby }-is to look for such activities.

And i can give as good as i get. ;)

And do you really believe that any real hack worth his/her salt is going to work publicly for the goverment?! Not hardly.

Besides, I got into my job field because the " goverment " { read judge } gave me a choice between going straight or going to jail when i was younger.

Nicer to be paid for doing what you like than having to pay for what you like to do.

Besides, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog ! :D

[philzee]

Originally posted by iisbob
And do you really believe that any real hack worth his/her salt is going to work publicly for the goverment?! Not hardly.

"publicly" ... I don't think the government has got to that page in the dictionary yet lol

Originally posted by iisbob
Nicer to be paid for doing what you like than having to pay for what you like to do.

This is exactly WHY there are ex-hacks working for the government

[iisbob]

Poor philzee, it just goes over his wee little head. :D


Just remember, there are always two sides to a coin, so yes there are people out there who can spit farther than me-but that also means that there are people whom i spit farther than. :D




This is exactly WHY there are ex-hacks working for the government -yep, but they're what we call " known " exploits-by the very nature of their relationship with the government, they have to be accessible to the public for " damage control ".

private citizens don't have that restriction. ;)

[philzee]

Well I suppose you have a point...after all I know nothing about hacking so therefore I can't "spit" at all:p lol

[iisbob]

LOL!

OK, guess i should be clear to the general public here that i don't " hack "; i " constructively investigate network possibilities for security breaches ", and i don't " crack " software; i " reverse engineer for evaluation purposes ".

:D

"cough, cough " ;)


Anyways, that what it says on my resume.

{ of course whenever i had a an interview, and they find out you know something about networking-first thing they ask is-Do you know how to hack?! } :rolleyes:

[Whyzman]

iisbob,

Were you setting this one up? first thing they ask is-Do you know how to hack?! "cough, cough " ;)

My Uncle is a Camel chainsmoker and a "hacker!" :rolleyes: :D

I had to rearrange the quote to get the right effect! ;) :p

[Gallaeglagh]

My take on this situtation is that the MPAA and the RIAA are probably more interested in making a few high profile busts, getting ISPs to stop some individuals and block ports for file sharing networks, and get some spyware to upload playlists to them.

[HeadachesAbound]

Recording Industry Solution....

Embed software to prevent CD from playing on PC in order to prevent creation of LEGAL MP3.

End User Solution and Response...

Run Audio cable from CD Player to PC Line In. Spend enormous amounts of time ripping to MP3. Contact Lawyer. File suit against Recording Industry for violation of copyright law which gives right to make backup copy or copy for the purpose of using original as backup.

Any Questions?


:p

[setoguro]

In what may have been a form of cyberprotest following the introduction of a tough bill that targets peer-to-peer file swapping, an attack rendered the Recording Industry Association of America's Web site unreachable for several days. Cnet news here (http://news.com.com/2100-1001-947920.html?tag=fd_lede) .
Iisbob Did you do that :) ? Seems like the war has begun already.

[terryf1960]

<i>Of course any system is hackable if you have enough time and smarts, but most of the people I know run at least a firewall and AV software...it's going to be extremely time consuming for them to hack individual pcs...</i>

At home I run a linksys router/firewall as well Nortons firewall. At work I run ISA firewall. Even for someone technically inclined maintianing firewalls against hacking can be a major pain. But when the hacking is allowed by the law and conducted by people being paid to do it... <b>Very Scary</b>

[hiredgoonz]

My point wasn't that it couldn't be done...even M$, who has a very real interest in protecting its systems, had its network breached. Maybe they shouldn't be using M$ products...

My point is that no company has infinite resources to hack everybody's PC...yes, they could hack and sue, or shut down services because there are a limited number of them, but it's not much of an individual concern.

How many PCs do you think there are in US alone? This is the same reason that M$ doesn't go after individuals that use pirated copies of Windows. It's just not economically feasible.

Even realizing how much money M$ has, it would be foolish of them to try and sue one guy who uses his copy of Windows 98 on 3 pcs...the movie industry, if allowed, will certainly expend resources to attack large copyright violators, but it's not worth their time, money or effort to breach individual pcs in your house...unless you're burning DivX movies and selling them online...

[YODA74]

Found this the other day thought it might be interesting


just read about the D.O.S. attack aginst your site and the reasons behind it and while I don't support hacking I also don't support your legal brand of hacking either.
If I wish to share files on my computer with others it is my business and mine only...you have no way of telling if I'm sharing my grandmother's secret fudge recipe or my tips for overclocking my computer and freeware files associated with that overclock. In short you'll be messing with my LEGITAMATE use of a service that has uses other than sharing music!!
While you're trying to stop an abuse of your's and other's fat wallets you are abusing several others rights to freely trade INFORMATION on the internet as it was designed for.
Why not outlaw radio stations? I can record hours upon hours of music from there and if your reply to that thought is it's analog music and not as crystaline as a mp3 that is no longer the case thanks to the advent of services such as XFM and the digital music provided by DirecTV among others...music I can digitally transfer to my stereo and record directly to cd...yes I know I can't look for certain songs by title but I can go by genre's and record all sorts of music that I listen to by the spindle full and sort through it later...you're trying to fix the leaks in the dyke with fingers when the leaks are the size of houses and you'll never do it. At most you'll put a damper on things for a while until someone hacks your hack and turns it against you which would be poetic justice.
One thing to consider is the long term effects the legislation that you are trying to pass will have...what will be next, legal D.O.S. attacks against firms that have ideas that counter yours? Attacks against individuals that don't agree with you? Attacks against web sites that disagree with your facist tactics?
Attacks agains fan sites that post song lyrics without someones consent? Or pictures of the album covers? Or pictures of the artists?
D.O.S. attacks against the National Enquirer for speaking an artist's name in vain?
When I first read about this the title of the article was "Live by the sword" and it looks like your organization got a taste of it's own medicine as a warning of what could be a lasting thing if you do get your way...seems kinda ironic that the CEO was a bit miffed by it when it was all said and done.
It's truly sad when big business tries to get into the private lives of John Q. Public as a cheap ignorant way to get even with someone for having the audacity to want to have a certain song and not spend 20 bucks to have it.
The long and short of it is that as far as I am concerned, YOU SUCK.
P.S. I am considering this a Copyrighted work and as such you'll need my permision to use any part of it for any reason. If I see any of my content use without my permision I'm tempted to get a big fat-cat lawyer and sue youe arses off.


This was a quick responce to the RIAA
http://www.paradigm.nu/riaakill/

[sea69]

hehe!

:D :D :D