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bridgeofjedge
08-13-2003, 11:09 AM
and good day all but the issue is this:
friend offered his old pc (which was having problems: sudden powerdowns, freezing; never a lucid explanation but i believe the pc wld just shut down intermittently, no input reason. . .), an IBM netvista 2254-G04, 2001 with celeron 900 cpu, 20Gb hdd, cd-rw, floppy, one RAM @ 64mb. . . acbel powersupply, all stock equipment upon purchase. . . upon reception, the hdd was erased/ formatted, and using a DOS 3.30 startup/operation floppy i ran fdisk successfully, proffering correct stats. . .then played with format/ partitioning, as it read "active dos partition already installed". . . the original OS (factory installed) is win ME, and having no copy of the disc nor any indication of its presence on a protected partition, i elected to attempt installation of Linux Redhat 8.0. . . the install page came up, i typed "linux text" <enter>, it ran swift page of stats, setup info, then returned to the install page where i wld enter "linux text" and same process, same dead-end recursive cycle. . . then i tried installing my win 98 (just to see if she cld boot into a successful install), and upon starting the process an error message came up suggesting inadequate space for install (as though it were trying to install on the RAM memory?). . . so 86'd that idea, called ibm requesting recovery cd. . .
y'day the cd's arrived; hurriedly, fervently, with all the earnestness at my command (and some caffeine-enthusiasm)! i rushed into the system, w/drew the dos floppy, plugged in recovery cds (am excited 'bout learning ME, then a dual-boot system with Red Hat or Corel or GNU/Unix likely red hat as common linux choice but want to be "multiplatformed" as i pursue this computer/tech 'cosm with all sincere interest in potential career) and the first cd ran-- read in huge ongoing listings scrolling down page-- "extracting x"-- where x represents various numerous numerous files, too fast to read obviously; then "inflating x"-- and again numerous files, likely a repeat of list extracted-- then the cd depleted its function and read "please put in recovery disk 2" and i did so, pressing <enter> as instructed, the files continued w/ illegible speed, but i saw under every effort at writing/installing file x, "Warning!! cannot write file x. . ." and then it wld repeat that incalcuable times with the incalcuable files/folders but thirty seconds later "remove all disks and cds from drives and press enter to restart yr computer".

with excited perspiration pouring down my tensed forehead, <enter> and the computer powered down then up and the blue ibm screen, then a beep, big deep infinite paynes gray screen with white words atop: "no operating system found. . ." so screen flickers momentarily and then shows bigbig shot of floppy entering the floppy drive, with function buttons listed at bottom saying with two flashing arrows to "press F1 to repeat boot sequence". . . this was the original problem-screen, as if the hdd cannot be written to, but i do not know what the essential obstacle is. . . have considered picking up a new hdd, but having attempted the same with a 10Gb drive (old model from old 98 computer though fdisk read it fine), said cannot write to drive. . .
system diagnostics (also on recovery cds) suggest all elements of hardware are healthy and functional and no mobo lights nor tell-tale beeps and i ask: why can the diagnostics load/run yet an OS cannot, but thats not my point. anyway, having manipulated and toyed inside case, and with software setup for some frustrated time, and read throughout the forums (while debating which post to tag w/ this post) several days hoping to find a parallel thread but unsuccessful so here i am, throwing myself into the mercy of the brilliant constituents of this most beautiful and genuis forum on the w3!

any help/ suggestions are appreciated. . .
j.edge.

YODA74
08-13-2003, 11:25 AM
you wanting help or are you wrighting a novel

Jhorner1
08-13-2003, 11:34 AM
First thought is that maybe the data cable is bad.

bridgeofjedge
08-13-2003, 12:05 PM
sorry for the lack of brevity; simply do not know what elements of this process are significant in determining solution. . . i did not intend on "wrighting" a novel however. . .

the data cable. . ? 80 pin ribbon connection from IDE primary to HD? otherwise, i am uncertain. . .
and can this be replaced at a general computer supply shop?

thanks for a valid response-effort, and so quickly. . .
j.edge.

Jhorner1
08-13-2003, 01:04 PM
Yes the 80 pin IDE cable, and yes most computer/office stores carry them, or you could order one online from here (http://www.softwareandstuff.com/hddfddcable.html#1602) or many other places.

alanr
08-13-2003, 02:25 PM
If ribbon cable is not the the problem try removing all partitions, reboot, reinstall partition and reformat. With Fdisk make the partition "Active". Then reinstall operating system.

bridgeofjedge
08-13-2003, 05:57 PM
following the previous advice (delete partitions, format, fdisk. . .), after trying another older seagate 10Gb hdd with no luck, i deleted all partitions (including DOS, which all were extended or logical; there were no active partitions), i re-ran the recovery cd which was supposedly going through process (the progress bar was almost at 100%)
when suddenly the system collapsed to a black-screen with "missing operating system" on top line. . .
it is strange there were no active partitions to begin with. . . however, one other strange factor is the system's inconsistent recognition of c: and cd-rom; if i shut down system, it may or may not boot back with these drives recognized (and therefore remains unbootable, nor is recovery cd accessible). . .

now i cannot switch to c:, even from dos operating disk, to fdisk. . .
i do not even know if this computer is worth it.
i am certain the forum's advice is worth the computer's frustration however. on with the tenacious efforts. . . thanks again.

j.edge. :confused:

mjc
08-13-2003, 09:44 PM
One of the first things I do when I start on an old system is to change out the battery...that way I eliminate the possibility of the BIOS settings changing due to a dead CMOS battery.

If you have a drive to test with try a different drive or grab the diagnostics from the drive manufacturer.

Inka
08-14-2003, 03:52 AM
My 1st thoughts on this one relate to the attempted Linux things. Maybe Redhat had a go at the HDD. Have you re tried that DOS disk & re run fdisk?
WinME doesnt like anything other than FAT16 or FAT32 partitions.

valver
08-14-2003, 04:06 AM
you can try to download 'low level format' utility from the hdd manufecturer website on a floppy and run it then start over partitioning, formatting and installing os

Fruss Tray Ted
08-14-2003, 07:14 AM
Don't recovery cd's expect to be run from within the platform they are to fix? I don't believe you can do a clean install with a set of recovery cd's. And with a different harddrive also, it's even less likely.

I would:
1: Make absolute sure of all hardware settings ie. jumpers on drives, BIOS settings etc. Be sure that all is being detected.

2: Run diagnosis cd from manufacturer and then zero the drive and format.

3: Install something simple as maybe your 98cd (I think somewhere you said you had one, not sure what chapter... :) ).

YODA74
08-14-2003, 09:01 AM
Usually a person will do a clean install of a new OS. If you want to completely restore your system using the recovery CDs you would just insert Disc 1 in the drive and restart the computer. Upon restart you will be given the option to do a complete recovery which will erase the hard drive and then install the OS and programs from the recovery CDs.
don't see any real benefit to re-formatting the hard drive first unless your having a serious trojan prob.

Some Recovery CDs have 2 functions. One function is similar to a Repair
Install which will not completely wipe your current set-up but simply
reinstall system files. The other function is similar to a cleaninstall
and will reset your system to the exact state it was in at the time it
was purchased. Other Recovery CDs will only set your system backto it's
original condition.

valver
08-14-2003, 09:34 AM
..."upon reception the hdd was erased/formatted"...
could be that along the(long) way changes were made to the system (softwarewise). it's hard to tell. that's why a 'clean' install is best, and it's 'cleaner' with low level format (actually zero fill).
i don't know about ibm but my packard-bell recovery disk set contained a boot floppy like the win98 floppy from which you could boot and install the rest from the cd's.

bridgeofjedge
08-15-2003, 10:30 AM
good morning
and thank you all for yr responses.
turns out this is an IBM motherboard issue. . . meanwhile:
clearing CMOS and reinitiating recovery process, this time the F11 partition (recovery partition on IBM systems) successfully built but every recovery effort failed due to sudden powerdowns followed by immediate reboots. . . 'twould get perhaps twenty minutes into ME setup, into "system update" (after one successful windows-intitiated reboot), or perhaps two minutes into windows ME boot screen and then abrupt black screen, IBM splash screen. . . i ran recovery disks, then the F11 recovery partition program four-five times y'day morning, and to no avail i crashed with the system. . . diagnostics suggest all was fine (including system board), etc. . .
visited IBM forum (sorry everyone. . .), where several other 2254 netvistas were recognized on forum as failing in same manner. . . turns out: leaking capacitators, (if you have this problem, look at mobo, "batteries" surrounding cpu, the capacitators may be leaking a fluid- nontoxic-- or the caps of the capacitators may be swollen like a pregnant woman's belly. . .). anyway, though computer is out of warrenty, IBM released an ECA on the make and motherboard, replacing mobo free of charge. . . i expect a tech on tuesday (wander if he'll let me install the mobo?).

thank you all. . . pass this on to yr associates/friend; am going to post the announcement on core software forum.

j.edge.

chris mcmullin
08-30-2003, 02:10 PM
i have a compaq computer...my message says: unable to access hard drive, operating system not found on any devices...was told i needed new hard drive, which i replaced...did a clean install of win 98, bios, and fdisk...everything working windows up and running...until i shut down...started it later, coming up with same message...was told it couldn't be the mother board...is there something else?

Budfred
08-30-2003, 04:01 PM
Hi Chris,

Who said it couldn't be the motherboard. If you have a new hard drive failing on the same system, at least one possibility is that there is something wrong with the IDE port or the BIOS. Have you checked settings in BIOS to make sure it is set for autodetect? Also, make sure the drive is jumpered properly, although if it ran for a while it probably is.

It might be a good idea to start your own thread on this and provide as much info as possible about your system, what you have done to troubleshoot and so on... The more you tell us, the more likely we can help.