it just keeps going, and going....

[pcflunkie]

Hi Doctors, thanks for taking my call http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif)

I have an Acer, Pentium II, Win98. From my name, I guess you can guess I'm not a techie, although I've managed to keep things running now for about two years without crashing the system once a week, so I guess I'm improving. If you need more info, I'll be glad to give it, but you'll have to be specific on how I can find what you need to know.

My problem is, I think, a system problem, at least one of my problems is. So I guess I'll start with that one. I have something RUNNING in the computer which always begins to run whenever I don't touch the computer mouse for about two minutes. Something starts up, and when I check the "system resources", it says that 100% of the kernal, whatever that is, is being used. I can tell by the little graphs/meter that run. This happens no matter if I am on the internet, running an application, or even if the computer is not running anything, or not supposed to be. Therefore, I cannot run a screensaver even, and have to either put it in stand-by, or shut down when not actually working with the computer.

I don't know if I did something wrong. I was messing with the screensaver, with sceduling taks (like defrag, etc) and added a program, MS Publisher. I recall this happened once before, and I had to call for help. I'm hoping you can save me a very expensive call! I cancelled all tasks, btw, but it didn't help.

Oh, I followed the Windows troubleshooting (uh, does that mean this is a Windows problem??) guide for "Memory problems", and cleaned out all the programs from the Start-up folder, then followed their directions for "selective" start-up, a test, and then whatever had been running didn't start up. My screensaver worked fine. Then when I followed the directions of how to permanently solve the program (something to do with the WINI file, and clearing "run" and "load",) the problem was back. More or less, the test worked, but the fix didn't.

I don't have a lot of applications, and have a lot of disk space left, although one time when I was having this problem and trying to do some stuff on the internet, it warned me that my resources were down to like 3! Why it didn't crash I don't know.
This seems to be an awful long letter, so I will send it, and add more info if you need it.

I'll just end by saying that as long as I am working on the computer, or whenever I wiggle the mouse, the program in the background stops running. And, my other problem seems to be internet-related, so isn't probably connected to this problem. Thanks very much! PCFLUNKIE

[mjc]

Probably the best place to start will be with a list of what is running in the background...you can get that by hitting <ctrl><alt><del> once and looking at what is listed in the box. Make a list of everything there and post it here.

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[Gallaeglagh]

Welcome to the Forum

I read your post and am a bit uncertain to what your problem is other than something to do with the screensaver and some program starting.

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[pcflunkie]

EGAD!


I can't believe how difficult this has been! My computer just went haywire, and now I hate it. After a couple of shutdowns and weird behaviors, I'm back to try and answer your question, but my "other" computer problem is acting up, so don't be surprised if I just disappear again. Sorry!

OK, these are the programs running:
message bar
PC Guide
Explorer
TF_Floating LargewBAr
Comet
Arupld32
Pndmcom
Rnaapp
Wncsmserver
Cmcp16
Crashmon
Facpmon
Systray
Wunampa
Resmon
Fadskmon
Fasmtmon
Famonhkw
Cmgrdian
Ocrawr32
Hotkeyed
Ocraware
Systask2

I guess that's all this time. I should add that I went in and cleaned these all out after my problem began, (and which may have led to my IE problem), but still my problem continues. They all just reload everytime anyway. Again, the "start up" tray is empty. Thanks much. pcflunkie

[pcflunkie]

Originally posted by Gallaeglagh:
Welcome to the Forum

I read your post and am a bit uncertain to what your problem is other than something to do with the screensaver and some program starting.



Hi and Thank you. My problem, simply put is, that something starts running in the background whenever I am not actively working on my computer. For instance, I cannot defrag, or even do disk clean-up, because it keeps stopping and restarting every time this program, whatever it is, starts running. I get the message that it has tried 10 times, but there is a program running which I should close. But I'm not running anything other than the disk clean-up (or whatever). Whatever runs uses 100% of the CPU, according to the system monitor. It only stops when I jiggle the mouse. If I am inactive for about 2 minutes, it starts again. And it happens whether I am in MS Word, on the net, or just want a screensaver to run. That's my problem in a nutshell. pcflunkie

[mjc]

Umm, that is quite a load....

I would say that you have a lot running at once...some of which could be considerd "spyware"...comet, for one.

Some of it looks like monitor programs with duplicate functions....

And some of it I can't figure out, but it looks like time to do some pruning http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

Any one or combination of those programs could cause your problem...so to the pruning, first go to here (http://www.lavasoft.de) and grab the latest version of AdAware...be aware that AdAware can cause some programs not to function any longer...read the documentation! Then try here (http://www2.whidbey.net/djdenham/Window_memory.htm) they have a fairly good list of what runs at startup and what you can disable and how to do it. I would also run a good virus scan...either one of the online freebies (like Trendmicro's Housecall (http://housecall.antivirus.com/) or one that works outside of Windows like f-prot for DOS (http://www.frisk.is/f-prot/download/), or even both. then I would try cleaning out the temporary internet files...(browser cache), internet options -> temp internet files -> delete

I also assume that you are using AT&T Worldnet as your ISP?



What is arupld32.exe? My firewall software keeps complaining about it!

Arupld32.exe is part of the AT&T WorldNet dialer. It is called Inverse IP Insight, and it collects connection information for upload if you contact customer care via phone. Follow the instructions below if you wish to disable or enable it.

To Disable or Enable Inverse IP Insight:

Connection Services Manager (CSM) 6.x:

Perform a search for worldnet.ini.

Open the worldnet.ini file.

In the worldnet.ini file, create a new section called [Customize Install].

In the [Customize Install] section, type SLAActive=0 to disable Inverse IP Insight or SLAActive=1 to enable Inverse IP Insight. Note: This entry can be anywhere within the section, but it should be on its own line.

From the File menu, and choose Save.

From the File menu, and choose Exit.

AT&T WorldNet Setup 5.x:

Perform a search for worldnet.ini.

Open the worldnet.ini file.

In the worldnet.ini file, locate the [Customize Setup] section.

In the [Customize Setup] section, find a line that reads SLAActive=1 and change the line to SLAActive=0 if you wish to disable Inverse IP Insight. If you wish to enable Inverse IP Insight ensure the line reads as SLAActive=1.

From the File menu, and choose Save.

From the File menu, and choose Exit.




I think that is enough for now..... http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


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[This message has been edited by mjc (edited 10-15-2001).]

[pcflunkie]

Oh, thanks very much for the info. I will give it all a try first thing tomorrow! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif))) pcflunkie


Originally posted by mjc:
Umm, that is quite a load....

I would say that you have a lot running at once...some of which could be considerd "spyware"...comet, for one.

Some of it looks like monitor programs with duplicate functions....

And some of it I can't figure out, but it looks like time to do some pruning http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

Any one or combination of those programs could cause your problem...so to the pruning, first go to here (http://www.lavasoft.de) and grab the latest version of AdAware...be aware that AdAware can cause some programs not to function any longer...read the documentation! Then try here (http://www2.whidbey.net/djdenham/Window_memory.htm) they have a fairly good list of what runs at startup and what you can disable and how to do it. I would also run a good virus scan...either one of the online freebies (like Trendmicro's Housecall (http://housecall.antivirus.com/) or one that works outside of Windows like f-prot for DOS (http://www.frisk.is/f-prot/download/), or even both. then I would try cleaning out the temporary internet files...(browser cache), internet options -> temp internet files -> delete

I also assume that you are using AT&T Worldnet as your ISP?


I think that is enough for now..... http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[John0904]

If I am inactive for about 2 minutes, it starts again.

Off the top of my head, I can think of 3 things.
1. Something is running in Scheduled Tasks.
2. Something with the screen saver.
3. Anti-virus program (with or without the screen saver)

Also certain programs are accessing the hard drive every so often. If anything changes on the hard drive while a defrag program is running, it will restart because the "contents changed".

What you need to do is disable Scheduled Tasks (under Advanced), any screen savers, and anti-virus programs.
You also need to disable startup programs.
Start > Run
type: msconfig
Under the Startup tab disable programs.
You have to keep SystemTray though. Without that, Windows might not start.
(Might want to keep your mouse loaded too)

If anything goes wrong, start up in Safe mode and run that program again and check, "Normal Startup" and reboot.

Edit: Might want to create a backup of the settings for that program too.

[This message has been edited by John0904 (edited 10-15-2001).]

[Whyzman]

Here's a FYI...I had a conversation with Microsoft Tech-Support yesterday and asked regarding which Startup items are essential for Windows:

Scan Registry
PC Health (both)
System Tray
Load Power Profile (both)
State Mgr
Task Monitor
Scheduling Agent (if you elect to use it)

Thethethethat's all folks! Looks like the rest of the stuff there's pretty much electives...Egadzooks Batman...had a college flashback! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

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Whyzman

[zman99]

I'm nothing if not methodical.

Following in John0904's footsteps, I would go to start/run msconfig. Go into the startup menu and uncheck the bottom box to disable it (click apply). Reboot and see if its fixed your problem. If not go back in and re-select the box. Reboot. Go in and uncheck the next box... reboot...you get the idea. When the problem stops that last one was your culprit. Don't uncheck the necessary ones, Whyzman gave you a list.

If this works and you have identified the problem, you may be able to ask in here how to resolve it permanently.

I would guess you have an anti-virus program scheduled to run after it senses a certain length of activity. You may also want to check in system properties/performance to make sure you have nothing running in MSDOS Comptability mode.

My sig: dylexics Untie !

[zman99]

I'm nothing if not methodical.

Following in John0904's footsteps, I would go to start/run msconfig. Go into the startup menu and uncheck the bottom box to disable it (click apply). Reboot and see if its fixed your problem. If not go back in and re-select the box. Reboot. Go in and uncheck the next box... reboot...you get the idea. When the problem stops that last one was your culprit. Don't uncheck the necessary ones, Whyzman gave you a list.

If this works and you have identified the problem, you may be able to ask in here how to resolve it permanently.

I would guess you have an anti-virus program scheduled to run after it senses a certain length of activity. You may also want to check in system properties/performance to make sure you have nothing running in MSDOS Comptability mode.

My sig: dylexics Untie !