Can someone please help?

[dtamike]

Ok i have been on the via boards and have gotten no help there, a friend recomended this site so heres my problem:

i have just bought and installed a Asus a7v133/woa motherboard.When i play any 3d games or applications the game/program freeze along with my entire system.I have re-installed windows,downloaded drivers/motherboard & bios,have latest via chipset drivers,have done everything possible except re-format can i please have some help with this?

cpu--
Amd Athlon 1 gig
96mb sdram
via kt133a chipset
pci 32mb radeon graphic card (in slot 1)
hercules sound card(slot 3)

Nothing is wrong with the video card because i had it running on another system and it worked fine.Do you think it can be the ram causing these problems?

[Jumby]

Have you re-seated everything? Is the processor fan working correctly? Can you try another video card? If you play a lot of games you might want to try an AGP card...for two reasons --- it might solve the freezing problem and it'll be better for your games. That's a frustrating problem; I had it happen a few years ago and it really made me mad.

[dtamike]

Yes i have re-seated everything,the heatsink is working good i wish i could try another video card but i dont have one laying around,and in the end if nothing works ill be getting a agp card anyway,Does anybody think that the Ram could be a problem?

[ranchdog]

dtamike.....

Asus is notorius for needing quality RAM. Also, try leaving PCI slot #1 open on the Mboard.

Luck.

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[dtamike]

Which is better Crucial or Kingston?

[Whyzman]

Hi dtaMike,

Glad to see you made it here! If anyone can steer you in the right direction it is the folks here.

Since I also have the A7V133 I've advised Mike to place his cards into the appropriate slots where there would not be MB conflicts.

Ranchdog The AGP slot shares with PCI 1 ... usually this is where the PCI video cards go....what was the reason you suggested not to use slot 1?

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[ranchdog]

In the post above mine, Mike stated if nothing works he would be getting an AGP type card.

That was my reason for bringing up the thought of leaving PCI slot #1 open.

I have an A7V133 in a PC that I use for doing the O/C thing and in the end set it up this way.

My apology for not explaining myself well enough.



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[Whyzman]

RD..I was attempting to assist dtaMike on the Viaarena Forum when I saw he had the A7V133. With just the 2 devices (Video and Sound) in slots that will not conflict on the MB, he is still having problems with freeze-ups.

My immediate concern turned to RAM. Is the only way to check on RAM by substituting? Or, is there a RAM test program of some sort? And, you are absolutely correct about the "sensitive RAM" situation. ASUS actually directed me to a company by the name of MUSHKIN...do you know anything about them?

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[setoguro]

What temps. are you running at? If your are hitting temps around 70c this will lock you up. Most A7V users i've read about are useing Crucial. Don't know much about Mushkin. I do remember reading posts from those who use it and they had no problems with it.

[mjc]

Crucial...I believe they have free shippng right now.... http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Whyzman]

DtaMike,

Setoguro brings up a good point...what kind of temperatures are showing up in the PROBE? If I remember correctly you can run a history check.



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[mjc]

From what I have seen about Mushkin is if Crucial is the Mercedes-Benz of RAM then Mushkin is the Rolls-Royce...supposedly the best of the best.

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[ranchdog]

Mushkin Rev3+ is the elite of the memory groups. It's a tad bit expensive but a guy can really lean on it hard.

Crucial.. Kingston.. Micron.. All are excellent RAM and the price of these fit well. These Mfg's seem to practice a little quality control.

Now and then a guy can come across a stick of RAM that has the IBM chips. Don't pass 'em up.

To answer your question: For the end user... The way I see it, purchase a name brand up front, keep a spare stick around for troubleshooting purposes. Quality RAM will have a replacement warranty policy. Seldom needed 'cause good RAM doesn't get funky.

Mike-- Shoot for like.. Two sticks of 128MB PC133 Crucial and see if things don't improve. The ASUS temp readings tend to be about 10 degrees higher than actual. What have you had for readings?

Luck.



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[Whyzman]

RD or MJC,

Who, or what combinations, would be producing RAM that comes up with the 96MB? That in and of itself registers a problem with an ASUS board.


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[dtamike]

thanks for all the replies i have a program called sisoft sandra and this is the readings im getting from the board

Board Tempature----35.0'C/95.0'
CPU Temp------51.0'C/123.8'C

Im not to good with temp settings but my cpu is generally cool,i have a good heatsink and good ventilation,i can be online for 5 hours straight and it wont freeze but the second i run any 3d application the cpu freezes up

[dtamike]

ok, here a continuation of my problems and this one i have no clue about i talked about when i played any 3d applications the cpu would freeze. Now here are some of the alternate problems i get instead of a freeze 1--the cpu still runs but the monitor goes into standby and cannot be recovered 2--the monitor diplays a message of "Frequency out of range".3-- monitor shuts off and then displays yellow vertical lines.

Please keep in mind i had this card running on another system and worked excellent(SIS,via mvp4)

[dtamike]

Im sorry to post 3 times in a row but in the Asus probe under Monitor summary for the cpu fan its value is 0 and the status is "monitor paused" does that mean its turned off?. And under chassis fan its status is also monitor paused and its value is also 0

[ranchdog]

Mike...

Those readings by SiSandra are within reason.

Go to www.amdmb.com (http://www.amdmb.com) -- click on FAQ along the top header--- then select A7V/A7V133 for many Q & A's.

The Radeon video card surely doesn't want to get along. Somewhere I remember reading that the Radeon (ATI) drivers were causing grief. Still trying to find that again for reference.

Let's see if we can find you a different set of drivers. Go to bootdisk.com (http://bootdisk.com) ... scroll down the front page to Drivers. Click on Popular. Click on Video. And select ATI. Then browse the ATI cards for what you need.

BTW. Whyzman made a good point. How did you arrive at 96Mb SDRAM?

Luck.

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[dtamike]

i have one PNY 32mb pc-100
and one 64mb Samsung pc-100
i have another stick of 128mb pc-133 that the cpu wont reconize(i get the memory beeps during startup) but i think it doesnt work because it is buffered

[ranchdog]

Mike...

Let's back up a bit. The memory you presently have is a weak link with Asus.

Do you have the 200 or the 266 series 1ghz processor? Is your Front Side Bus speed set at 100 or 133 on the Mboard?


Either way you need to use PC133 SDRAM.

Are you overclocking the Front Side Bus speed?

Luck.

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[dtamike]

i have the 200 fsb and is set on 100 i have tried to change it to 133 and there is no diffrence.Can you tell me anything about the monitor displays i have talked about? no im not overclocking

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[Mike T]

If you think that the ATI drivers may be a problem look on http://www.rage3d.com/ as they have helped me with ATI drivers. It may be worth a look through their forums as any compatability problems may have cropped up before.

[lego]

Just a thought....but I have two friends who have AMD processors and the only way they could solve all problems was to install WIN 2000

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[dtamike]

I heard there are more problems with win 2000 then with ME besides i am thinking of updating to XP

[diurnal]

Go to www.crucial.com (http://www.crucial.com) and it will have your specific model of asus board.
There is pc150 ram at www.newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com) too. its kingmax.
The asus board are usually good on taking any type of ram. I dont know why the stick of 128 is not working though. But i would assume its your ram , as the reason of your lockups. Like setguro said , could be your temps, its getting to hot and locking up.,Go into the bios and see what your running, usually those software versions of the temp monitor are off a little. But 55to60 seems normally with a asus board, what type of heatsink do you have?

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[dtamike]

i look under asus probe and the highest the temp are running is 63 degrees
my heat sink is a basic one thats is amd certified and is proper for a 1 gig processor

[diurnal]

It really makes me mad when they say its amd approved, amd probably havent even look at it. But check and see how many rpm that fan is pumping. Ifs it in the 5200, then its not enough power, you need one that is pumping out about 7000 rpms. 63c is running too hot, and that could be the reason of your lockups. but just make sure you know how to put on a heatsink be4 you try.

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[Whyzman]

DtaMike,

Crucial gets pretty high reviews from the PC Guide eschelon...I just checked and a 256MB is only $31.50 with free 2day air shipping...hard to go wrong there. I would suggest that one way or another you consider new RAM.

DiurnalMy CPU runs in the 5000-5200 range (900MhzT-bird), however I run at 47C (with smart fan control on ASUS PROBE UTILITY) Same board.

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[dtamike]

I am looking under sisoft and it is saying the fan speed is 4688 rpm,if overheating is my problem wouldnt the tempatures reach higher then 63 degrees to cause problems? does anybody know why under asus probe the cpu fan value is set to zero and the staus is monitor paused? Do you think the problem is over heating or ram or possibly both?

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[Whyzman]

I do believe that means the fan is not a three wire which would support the monitoring of the PROBE. Some fans only have two wire and it needs the third for monitoring...

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[ranchdog]

Mike...

#1. The ATI Video card isn't going to get along with your Asus Mboard. It's causing things to freeze when you get into 3D Apps.

#2. You need different RAM. In the range of 256MB.

#3. Play with Win98SE.

When running 3D Apps. be careful how much/what you have running in the background.

Hang in There.

Luck.

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[Whyzman]

RD Is the problem with the Radeon PCI....I run an ATI All in Wonder Pro 128 AGP and have no problems?

Were you able to confirm that there is definitely a problem with Mike's particular card?

Whoa...just took a look on the ATI site:http://support.ati.com/products/pc/radeon/radeon_issues.html
There are tons of problems with games and the Radeon.

Also, 3D hangs with the Radeon and VIA Chipsets:http://support.ati.com/products/pc/radeon/radeon_drivers.html

ATI seems to suggest that with the latest VIA drivers and the latest Radeon driver that the problem can be fixed??

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[rnparhi]

Hi guys,
Since the topic has been posted, let me add my woes too..I have a Asus CUSL2-BP MB, 128 MB infenion RAM, PIII 1gig/133 FSB processor. And I have the same problem of computer freezing while in a game. Interestingly, everytime it hangs exactly at the same spot (Opening a door, yesss!!). No probs with CPU temp and after breaking my head over it for some time, I have left it now. I have flashed my BIOS with latest update and tried to change FSB frequency settings, but looks like it does not work.

[dtamike]

Ranchdog when you mean diffrent ram u mean new configuration or just a good brand?
about the video card i knew by the reponces from everone here and ati/via/asus tech sites i would be getting another card do you know of a decent agp card that has good performance but not to expensive because i dont want to shell out $300 for GF3 and still have this problem

[diurnal]

Listen some games are so graphic extensive, some games will freeze up and everything, I call it "too much action". One problem is the game engine is weak. If you have played quake , it never locks up or freezes, its because of the engine is strong. The other problem, which some disagree, is the 32 bit processers, the 32bit processers can not handle the vast information these newer games are pumping out. And it does not matter if you have a 2.0 gighertz processer, because the processer is still 32bit, until 64 bit processer are made you will continue to see lockups and freezes. Thank you

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[dtamike]

ok i erased and re-formated my hdd i have not installed the new ati driver and the via chipset yey im doing that now i have bought new ram(pny) and still the games/applications freeze up

[Whyzman]

I suspect that you are still running the RADEON video card??
http://support.ati.com/products/pc/radeon/radeon_issues.html

As was suggested earlier, the "intensive" nature of many of the games really puts the complete system to the test.

Reminds me of an automobile meeting a cold Minnesota winter for the first time...things that would go undetected in a warmer climate will have their metal tested when the mercury hits 0 Ferenheit and beyond. And, just as you appear to be experiencing, it may be more than just isolating corroded terminals. Your battery may not be holding a complete charge, or your alternator may not be putting out the necessary volts...or it could be a combination of the weaknesses...just as your computer seems to be exhibiting.

Hopefully, some of the heavy hitters will chime in when they see the flames shooting from the folder icon...LOL http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


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[mjc]

A good quality power supply is also needed...probably somewhere in the 350W range.

If you have good RAM, a good board and CPU, make sure that the heatsink and fan are poperly attached, and good power supply (see here (http://www.pcguide.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000277.html)) and are still getting game problems then I would say it is time to investigate the vidoeo card....

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[dtamike]

i have a good 400w power supply from ANTEC and it says it amd certified my heatsink is good i think i will invest in another video card does anyone know a good one that runs with asus motherboards
im think about either the Visiontek Gforce3 or
herecules3d prophit 3 64mb

[dtamike]

i am buying a new card tommore Visiontek gforce 2 titanium 64 mb agp
this is a stupid question i have pc-100 sdram on my cpu can i run a 64mb ddr graphics card with a 400 mhz sdr equivelent?

[mjc]

If it is an AGP card, yes...the video card has its own CPU (called a GPU), memmory, and clock chip...basically a customized computer. The memory speed on the card has no relation to your system memory, it is set up to use the speed set by the clock on the card not the bus speed.

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