XP

[Jumby]

Ok, without anybody getting mad, who's excited about XP? I keep hearing people say how they hate it (mostly), but somebody must like it...besides me. I haven't used it, but it looks good ans seems to be good. Ok, I'm gonna say it...is one phone call really that bad? And Pete, if you want to tell me to shut up, go ahead.

[JL275]

I'm excited about it. It seems alot of people think its a really good OS. I'm not crazy about the activation, but will deal with it. Even if I don't end up keeping it on my system, I love tinkering with stuff, so I'm looking forward to getting my copy of it. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

[hiredgoonz]

As someone who has been using Windows 2000 for over a year and has tried Beta2, RC1, and RC2 of XP I can say that aside from the new interface, there isn't much to be offered from XP that I don't already get from 2000...

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[Donna]

I'm useing win98se. Just duelbooted with LinuxMandrake yesterday.I'm trying out the free stuff before I give M$ any more of my money. Any of you guys know anything about Linux?

[Rick]

I really have to think about this.
What do I like about Windows XP?--- LONG PAUSE-- ($100 XP or XPPro $199)
Nothing !!
That I don’t already have in Win2k ( Win2k Pro– $140.00)

What is In WinXP?
Eye Candy. ( Don’t need. Don’t want and Don’t use it.)
CD-Burning. ( Already have it with more features and NO IE interface)
Security ( Already have it.. From people who Know more about it and are better at it than MS)

I could care less about the activation.. I can rework my system 10 times without calling them.
I am also adding a network card to ALL the systems I build for win xp ( for above reason)
Even If they are not on a network..

Sorry.
I just Thought about something I do like about Win XP.
The $$ I will make providing support To those who don’t have the time or knowledge to fit it http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[hiredgoonz]

And not to turn this into an XP bashing session, but even the added features are of dubious usefulness...

The XP firewall is a joke...far fewer features than the free version of Zone Alarm...

CD burning (as already mentioned) who has cd burner, but no software?!?

The stability will be a huge improvement for people who are upgrading from 9x, but if you're already using 2000, you're already there...

XP will be a good thing for first-time buyers who are not all that familiar with computers, however, its user friendly features get in the way if you are comfortable with windows already...

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[diurnal]

Heres some info updating us on the activation, MJC you probably got this to in your email but here it is:

I like to rebuild my computer occasionally--wipe the hard drive and reinstall the OS. Will I have to call Microsoft for an activation code each time?
"No. If the hardware remains the same, then Product Activation will generate the same key that will map exactly to the existing key held at the clearinghouse--so users can just use the Web-based activation. No call required. Also, if the PC came with XP pre-installed (via an OEM), then activation only inspects part of the BIOS--so the user can wipe-and-load and change all the hardware (except the BIOS) without needing to call.

"If the PC has been upgraded using retail media and hardware gets changed, then the technical market bulletin located here documents the hardware changes that may be made before triggering the need to reactivate.

"To summarize, if the PC is not dockable and a network adapter exists and is not changed, six or more of the 10 components (see the link above for the 10 components) must be changed before reactivation is required. If a network adapter existed but is changed (or never existed at all), modifying four or more of the 10 components will result in a need to reactivate.

"Microsoft has also recognized that certain users may wish to change components frequently. As a result, Microsoft recently implemented time-based reactivation. Every 120 days, the current configuration of a user's PC will 'reset to zero,' so to speak. Starting from that 120th day, users may swap out hardware components as described above. After another 120 days passes, the PC 'sets to zero' again, and users once again may swap out hardware components. This time-based reactivation is designed to provide users with greater flexibility to change their systems."

What happens if my hard drive fails and I need to reinstall the OS? How much questioning will I have to undergo before you let me activate again?
"No questioning should be involved, as no call should be required. All you'll need is Web-based reactivation. The new hard drive will mean the activation key has been modified, but it will compare within tolerance with the existing key on the Clearinghouse. Also, if a user does call, Microsoft will always err on the side of the user. If you provide to the support representative a simple explanation of why you need to reactivate, that should suffice." (Back to you, David.)

I can deal with that part that says if i wont to wipe my hard drive clean, then i have to do a clean install and no activation code is required, and can use my existing one.
But i cant deal with if i update my bios and change some of my hardware, that when i have to call microsoft or pay 12 dollars to reactivate my code. Thats what i cant deal with, until this is changed, still antiXP.



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[Gallaeglagh]

Not that I'm a big M$ booster but with the amount of bootleg and pirate software that is available on the net all software companies need to protect their property as much as possible and MassiveSoft is no exception.

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[scroatbagg]

So why does M$ have so many people bootlegging software??? $199 for XP Pro in the USA, £232 in the UK, thats $332 so it looks like we are getting ripped of by your Mr Gates!!!! So at least he has closed the loophole of bootlegs copies, more money for him.. I think greed is at the bottom of this, to become the total dominator of the Internet with intergrated software that will lock you into the MSN if you dont know better... If you are new to computers (and that is what it seems to be aimed at) then he has won because you will not know any better, shame... The main question is, why didnt he and his developers build someting that worked from the start, MONEY!!!! The next upgrade will be around the corner and all of the mugs will pay good money for something that is as you in the US say " eye candy"....

[BigBlue66]

It's beyond me, how someone can say they like something without actually trying it. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

I am waiting at least two years before I jump on the XP gravy train.

BB 66


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[medalian1]

Corporate editions are piratable (sp?) ... I mean I have personally seen copies on newsgroups which are corperate pro and the activation is NOT required http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[Gallaeglagh]

This is true, it's really not going to stop too many bootleg copies. I know of at least 10 sources I can get it from now but I'll keep to Win98 and Red Hat

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[bassman]

Well Blue,
I have to disagree with you here. I knew I wouldn't like Liver before I ever tried it. It just,........you know............smelled bad http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I think I will go down to Gateway Country tommorow and give XP a test drive.
See if those masters of technology can sell me a NEW machine http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

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[diurnal]

I knew this post would burn up!

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[Ghost_Hacker]

I finally got XP and was going to install it at home but it won't let you install it to a dual boot system. It "isn't permited" because you might be too dumb to know that you won't be able to share files between the two OSes.( something I don't do anyway)

The one feature I liked was the way you can fool a program into thinking it's installed on any MS operating system. Cool, I thought, a way to rid myself of ME and play all those games that only play on 98. But after reading the install report I would have to make so many changes to my system that I might as well just start over and install 98 anyway!!!

[^JyHaD]

Sad to say fellas, WinXP has already been pirated. I just downloaded the Home Edition and Professional version of it from edit. And nope, its not the whistler version.

Anyway, I tried installing the damn thing but it requires you to have an existing Windows OS. You can either install it completely on another partition or upgrade your existing Windows OS. I tried both methods and although its a lot easier to install, the interface really sucks. Its cartoony in appearance, although there is an option to revert to the old Windows interface.

WinXP offers a lot of gimmicks, the most catchy one for me is that it offers the compatibility of Win98 to most software and the stability of Win2K. That's crap. WinXP is not backwards compatible with most of the programs I have such as NU2001 and Blackice Defender.

Fortunately I just downloaded the pirated copy of WinXP and tried it. HI hope that the version I got is not the real "release" version and some things have been left out. If you fellas can provide me with your legit XP experience then please post them.

Bottomline is, WinXP is not ready for use by the general public.

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[This message has been edited by Paleo Pete (edited 10-26-2001).]

[Lucias_Clay]

My idea is to wait at least two years before changing to any new os because it takes that long to work out the bugs they didn't think of while they were making it. No os is really ready for public use when it first comes out, is it?

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[iisbob]

Can't really add to much to the above; tried it-not impressed, W2000 already does everything i and any IT professional needs; if you want themes, there are some available-and no OS installed app ( ie; CD burning, firewall ) can compare to third party companies who have vested much more time and support in their products.

As for their new " generous " 120 " day " reset " limit; it'lll be cracked within it's first month of activity so that you'll have permant activation.

As long as Bill continues to charge ridiculous prices for his software, when ther are many excellant free alternativers-he'll be pirated. And the more " difficult " he thinks his engineer's make pirating, the easier it gets.

Too bad Steve didn't kick his ass when he first met him, looks like Bill is going full circle with his new OS-A more Mac look alike couldn't be imagined.

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[Paleo Pete]

^JyHaD If you are pirating software please keep it to yourself. We do not support or condone software piracy here. I'm aware, as we all are, that it is possible, and I'm sure many of us know how and where to get almost anything we want. The policy of the forums however, is we do not support piracy in any way. That includes telling people where to find it.

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[^JyHaD]

Oops. Sorry dude. Won't happen again, promise.

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[rond36]

Quote "I finally got XP and was going to install it at home but it won't let you install it to a dual boot system. It "isn't permited" because you might be too dumb to know that you won't be able to share files between the two OSes.( something I don't do anyway)"

I purchased Win XP PRO (Upgrade) and installed it to duelboot with Win ME. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Both are on FAT 32 Partitions. I am installing most of my programs in Win XP to the Win ME folder that they were installed to in ME. This way most programs just register themselves in XP and don't add another directory with the same files in both directories. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif

To install XP to duelboot. Do a new installation using the advanced install option. You can choose FAT 32 or NTFS and you have to install to a different Partition if the partition is alredy formated in the correct file structure formating the partition is optional meaning you can install XP to a partition with ME or 98 files as long as you have room on the partition and it isn't the boot drive for ME or 98.
I chose FAT 32 because I wanted to share files with ME and because if I want I can change it to NTFS later but I can't change back to FAT from NTFS.


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[This message has been edited by rond36 (edited 10-27-2001).]

[Jumby]

Well I figured I might get those kinds of responses. I went to an XP launch here in Richmond. Free lunch. I don't have any reason to use 2000 but they say XP is stable, which is nice. Yeah it looks cool, and people buy all kinds of stuff because it looks better. Some people spend $20,000. on a new car, but then complain about $100. for something on the computer they use all the time. I don't get it. If we still had DOS or Windows 3.1, would we be happy? I don't think Microsoft is doing what they are doing just to piss us off. Maybe there are things that aren't quite right with any OS (even Linux and MAC), but Gates isn't the richest man in the world because he's an idiot. I guess everybody has their resons for liking or not liking XP; I just wondered what people thought. And I guess in 20 years, DOS, Windows 3.1, Win95, Win98, (Win Me), and Win XP isn't too bad. We'd be a lot more pissed off if we still were using 3.1. Right?

[Paleo Pete]

I DO still use win3.11...thinking about using it for game machines in my mother's game room...what else do you do with 486 to P-133 machines??? Forget win98....it might boot by next Tuesday...

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[chelo]

Even though I use win 2k the best is the backbone of it all, Dos 6.11!!!!!!!

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[boots]

hi im doing an essay on cdroms i need to now where to go to get some history on the first cd rom to be made and the company who first came up with it pleas can some one help me and point me in the right step

[boots]

whoops sorry asked this in the wrong place but hey im running xp and its great i found win2000 to be a pretty version of 98
the only prob im having is sometimes it freezes but hey theres been problems along the way with most windows

[Ghost_Hacker]

Thanks rond36 but I know how to dual boot XP. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif


My problem is that my system is a ME/NT/2000/Linux system and I don't want to install a clean XP but upgrade ME without having to reinstall programs or reconfigure the system. Otherwise if I need to do that I might as well just start over and install 98. (The XP feature that allows me to fool programs into thinking thier installed on a 98 system is what I was interested in most http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif )


But thanks for the information anyway. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif



[This message has been edited by Ghost_Hacker (edited 10-28-2001).]

[rond36]

I tried three operating systems lastnight ME/XP/Linux. Linux install messed up XP and I had to reinstall XP this morning. Strike 1 !!!


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Alright who messed it up this time!

[Jumby]

I think the first computer I had was a 286, and I sat in the dining room all weekend playing with it. DOS... 'til late at night, then as soon as I woke up, and late into the night again. I was hooked. And what a P.I.T.A. it was. But I learned something. I guess. At least Windows is easier to look at.

[Rick]

This isn’t exactly about windows XP but then again it is.
After looking at XP and disliking it’s interface.
Especially when it comes to the cd-burn I started doing some checking.

Roxio the same people who wrote Easy CD Creator also created the limited version inside XP
They are releasing an update that will allow those who use Easy CD Creator 5 and above to continue using it with XP.

All that will be required is a downloadable update http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

I’m sure many others will do likewise .




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[CanadianMe]

This article pretty much sums up my opinion on XP,
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22533.html


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[Rick]

I must agree on both counts in that link.
XP still belongs on the Books for Dummies shelf
and Redhat 7.2 is to little to late.

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[psabi]

Who cares about XP! Just give me the free crap that you get when you purchase it... I'll spend $100 on an XP upgrade home version to get $300 of memory, cd burners, MP3 players or whatever the stores are offering. XP will stay nicely SEALED in the corner until I certain it won't screw up my perfectly fine dual boot 98se/2k setup - or just resell it.

[psabi]

(double post)

[This message has been edited by psabi (edited 10-30-2001).]