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iisbob
12-02-2001, 08:38 PM
Ok, i've been seing this bandied about for several years, and quite a bit on this forum; so now it's time to put this rumour to rest.

First off-true, on original older model Compaq's ( with harddrives <8GB's )they did have a hidden section of the harddrive with a small 8-30k BIOS file on it-mostly for 8gig drives so that their older systems would recognize the larger harddrives. But they still had a BIOS chip on the system board with the standard BIOS setups, this small file on the HD was their version of a drive overlay.

With the advent of >10gig drives that was no longer feasible since their BIOS was manufactored with the Interrupt 13 (like most modern BIOS ) that allowed it to recognize drives >2gigs. Now the " hidden " partition ( or usually the D: drive ) is nothing more than the cab files from your restore disk-so if you lost the restore disk you would still have a way to do a factory restore.

Basic lesson on the BIOS here; it's a ROM, which means read only-no data can be added to it once it's programmed, now the CMOS-which contains drive info/time&date, is included on the BIOS chip-didn't used to be in the old days. You can flash today's BIOS, but that's a bit of detail we wont be concerned with right now.

The point is, is that the BIOS ;when you first power on and it wakes the CPU ; tells the system that it has a harddrive, therefore you can't have the BIOS residing on a piece on a piece of equipment that the system doesn't know it has yet! Kinda like egg before the chicken thing-except in this case you can't have the egg without the chicken there to lay it!

I have successfully upgraded the drives on Compaq PC's ( at work and personal models of people )with newer/larger drives-only some of the older ones did i have to use the manufacturers' Drive overlay program in order for the older Compaq's to recognize the larger drives.

Go here (http://web14.compaq.com/falco//detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ3466) for a little FAQ on restoring the C: drive on a Compaq-notice the line about using the " system save d: " partiton-this is your so called "hidden partition ".

So please, in the future let's not refer to this partition as "hidden " when in fact it's right there in full view as the " D: " drive, or "system save " with nothing more than the restore disk(s) cab files.



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hiredgoonz
12-04-2001, 12:58 AM
I think what you explained in detail was what everyone else was getting at (whether they knew it or not)

Yes, the older Compaqs do have a BIOS chip, but in order for the system to boot, it has to access the hidden setup partition...

This partition is also where you access settings you would normally find in a BIOS setup.

And you have been able to circumvent this for a long time by using the setup programs available from Compaq. Very useful if you want to run a different, faster, and not bloated OS (Linux) on an older system...

This does only apply to much older systems, but I have one running right now and it definitely has a hidden partition with various setup, boot and system diagnostics tools on it...

It would have been a real screamer in 1995: 200mhz, 48mb ram, 1.2gb and 1gb hds, 6X cdrom...

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sea69
12-04-2001, 02:14 PM
Author Topic: Compaq HD BIOS rumour iisbob

With the advent of >10gig drives that was no longer feasible since their BIOS was manufactored with the Interrupt 13 (like most modern BIOS ) that allowed it to recognize drives >2gigs. Now the " hidden " partition ( or usually the D: drive ) is nothing more than the cab files from your restore disk-so if you lost the restore disk you would still have a way to do a factory restore.

I'm sure many will appreciate you breaking this down correctly once and for all.. (me included)

http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

and The point is, is that the BIOS ;when you first power on and it wakes the CPU ; tells the system that it has a harddrive, therefore you can't have the BIOS residing on a piece on a piece of equipment that the system doesn't know it has yet! Kinda like egg before the chicken thing-except in this case you can't have the egg without the chicken there to lay it!

LoL nicely put.

and finally........ So please, in the future let's not refer to this partition as "hidden " when in fact it's right there in full view as the " D: " drive, or "system save " with nothing more than the restore disk(s) cab files.

yep- I have the "system_save"- D drive partition as well.

http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

nice post iisbob


(does this mean I can delete D drive??.. heh)


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iisbob
12-04-2001, 10:24 PM
(does this mean I can delete D drive??.. heh)

Yep, go for it! Matter of fact i do it ( format ) whenever i work on someones Compaq and they complain of not getting therre full drive size ( as advertised ), with the permission of course.

It would have been a real screamer in 1995: 200mhz, 48mb ram, 1.2gb and 1gb hds, 6X cdrom...

What do you mean would have?! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I still use a system very similar to that to run my " personal " home network; 'cept i have a larger harddrive of course ( 60 GB ) and slightly more RAM ( 384 mb's ) and an OC'd Celey running at 375mhz on an old Intel 440 ex/lx chipset.


Point is, that for the last 3-4 years Compaq has not had too, nor was ther any need for there " hidden " partiton anymore-especially sincethe BIOS's of all modern systems no longer have the drive size barrier to worry about ( well, almost-ther is now a barrier of 137GB's, but i'm sure they'll have that worked out in another year or two . ) http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif

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mjc
12-04-2001, 10:56 PM
Your point is well taken and yet there is one thing to remember, Compaq has had systems that use the "hidden" (not system save) utilities partition a late as 1999...(almost your 3-4 yrs), but since the poster that brought all this on did not specify the age of the machine you can't assume it doesn't have...and my final advice about not delete a non-DOS partiton seems like a valid point when the age of the machine is unknown. Granted if the machine is a recent vintage then (I would say 1999 and newer) then "hidden" partitions are a thing of the past.

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iisbob
12-05-2001, 09:01 PM
..and my final advice about not delete a non-DOS partiton seems like a valid point when the age of the machine is unknown.

HERE!HERE! and i heartily agree, you should never just jump into fdisking/formatting a drive without examing all the circumstances ahead of time.

By the way, the last Compaq presarion i worked on was a '98 model and it didn't have the extra BIOS partition-just the system save one, so it possible that there have been select models/grades that they released with/without the drive overlay settings. Seems like it was a 7000 series , don't really remember-Compaq has such an odd way of no#ing their systems.

Also-just as a side note; though here at the forums we ( and especially me )may harp on the dubitable quality of Compaq personal PC's-no one makes a better server than they do! Their Quad processor models are absolutely top notch!!



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iisbob
""I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know."
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sea69
12-05-2001, 11:00 PM
http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ah!

but one must remember my (7000series) 7AP140 presario,which has been up and running trouble free since day one in July 2000.

my baby gets up when I do and I put her to bed when I go too!

EVERYDAY-

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mjc
12-05-2001, 11:56 PM
NO NO just don't make go back there and dig up that model number.....AAAAHHHHH http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif !!

Yeah after sifting through piles upon piles of info {cough} the other night on the Compaq site the best I came up with is that it carried through on select models upto and including '99 ones...other than that I have absoultely NO idea which models have it and which don't over the last 5 years or so. (and I'm not sure anyone on this planet does either....) but yeah it isn't really the BIOS but it is something to do with it(sort of) and the older you go with them the more murky the problem becomes....

And I have never looked down on their servers...if they only put half as much effort into their consumer machines they would be buying HP, DELL and just about everyone else...

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