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saphalline
05-11-2005, 10:43 PM
Intel

Intel is first out the door with dual-core CPU's. Both the new Pentium D and Pentium Extreme Edition are based on the "Smithfield" core revision, with the only difference being that the Extreme Edition has Hyper-Threading turned on. Smithfield is distinguished by a 90nm process, 2 x 16KB of L1 data, 2 x 12Kµ ops L1 trace, 2 x 1MB L2 unified cache, SSE3, EM64T, XD bit, classified in the "800 series" of CPU performance numbers, and is only available in LGA 775 packaging. These new dual-core Pentiums are only supported by dual-core capable chipsets, which include Intel's 945/955 series and NVidia's NForce4 SLI Intel Edition (if dual-core support is enabled by the mobo manufacturer). Expect VIA to have a Pentium dual-core chipset released by the end of summer.

Pentium D 820 = 2.8GHz (each core), 800MHz FSB

Pentium D 830 = 3.0GHz (each core), 800MHz FSB

Pentium D 840 = 3.2GHz (each core), 800MHz FSB

Pentium EE 840 = 3.2GHz (each core), 800MHz FSB

Rough price of about $500 for the PD 830/840, twice as much for the HT-enabled PEE 840. Initial sales are reserved for Intel's launch partners, but volume production should be underway by June.

Intel's future plans include "Presler" (65 nm process, 2MB L2 cache per core, based on dual-chip single-package design). A single-chip package design of Presler will be the foundation for the next-gen Celeron. Intel also says quad-core CPU's (not including HT) should be available in 2-3 years.

AMD

AMD's dual-core plans are a bit behind Intel's, but nevertheless, their new Athlon64 X2's are coming. Based on the new "Toledo" core revision, they'll be sporting a 90nm process, 2 x 64KB L1 data, 2 x 64KB L1 instruction, 2 x 512KB/1MB L2 unified cache, SSE3, NX bit, and only available for Socket 939. Chipset support is limited to NVidia's NForce4 series of chipsets (with dual-core support enabled by the mobo manufacturer). Again, expect a dual-core chipset from VIA before the end of the summer, and perhaps some sort of NForce5 from NVidia by the end of the year.

Athlon64 X2-4200+ = 2.2GHz (each core), 512KB L2 cache (each core)

Athlon64 X2-4400+ = 2.2GHz (each core), 1MB L2 cache (each core)

Athlon64 X2-4600+ = 2.4GHz (each core), 512KB L2 cache (each core)

Athlon64 X2-4800+ = 2.4GHz (each core), 1MB L2 cache (each core)

AMD's pricing on these is unknown. Initial sales will be reserved for AMD's launch partners starting in June, but volume production should be underway by July/August.

AMD's future plans include FX's based on the Toledo core revision. After that is anyone's guess, but rumour has it that the Sempron will very soon get 64-bit support on Socket 754.

Single-core vs Dual-core

For multi-taskers out there, dual-core CPU's will result in major performance increases! As Pentium D's trickle down to us end-users, you'll start seeing benchmark results being posted by people encoding two movies at once! It will also be possible to play in a LAN game while also hosting a dedicated server on the same system. Such lofty ideas are only the beginning, using current single-threaded software. As multi-threaded software becomes more available, dual-core systems (especially those with Hyper-Threading) will take over as the new power users' machine.

For pure gamers out there, dual-core CPU's are not worth the extra money right now. They're slower than the fastest single-core CPU's and there's not one multi-threaded game out yet. Until games become optimized for dual-core systems (yeah right! maybe in 12 months!) you're better off sticking to a fast single-core system. Unless that LAN game idea sounds fun. :p

For everyone else out there, low-end single-core systems are still the best deals. If you don't use any software that stresses your single-core CPU, why pay for two? Intel and AMD intend to keep making low-end single-core CPU's for quite some time, so the Celeron and Sempron series aren't in any danger of going away. There aren't even any cheap dual-core CPU's on the horizon for at least 2 years. And honestly, there's no reason to think that a multi-threaded "killer-app" will be released any sooner than that.

pentachris
05-12-2005, 10:21 AM
Thanks, saphalline. Hail to the chief! :D

I assume that each processor will be able to work independently under Windows XP, correct? Will XP Pro be required for this?

Can dual core AMD support to be turned on with a BIOS update for existing Socket 939 boards?

saphalline
05-12-2005, 05:14 PM
XP Pro (or 2K) will be required to take advantage of both cores since XP Home doesn't have multi-processor support. I haven't heard solid info on the various Linux distros, but those with multi-processor support should also have no problem.

Initial tests with XP Pro using a PEE with HT turned on gave rather muddling results. It seems that HT support isn't quite working yet with dual-core, so some sort of fix from MS should be out soon. This is essentially a limitation on the OS end of things, since XP Pro technically supports up to 4 virtual processors already. It's just not that good at doling out the workload, I guess. Turning HT off (like the PD) worked like a charm, but all the hardware sites & mags are now turning their attention to making good multi-tasking and multi-threading benchmarks. :D How do you test dual-core, afterall? So far it's just been something like "well... let's try turning on 3D Mark 05 and Photoshop at the same time!" :p

Officially speaking, dual-core mobo's aren't out yet for either Intel or AMD. I wouldn't pin much hope on a BIOS update at this time. The NForce4 series of chipsets was designed with dual-core in mind, but I'm willing to bet that NVidia is even now ironing out the wrinkles. The odds are not good at all that current NForce4 mobo's will work with dual-core CPU's with just a BIOS update.

pentachris
05-19-2005, 11:08 AM
The odds are not good at all that current NForce4 mobo's will work with dual-core CPU's with just a BIOS update.
New reviews for Athlon 64 boards here (http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20050513/index.html), with this quote:
Our recommendation today is to go for a PCI Express board, whatever the case. Their modern interfaces not only promise a longer useful life, but a simple BIOS update gives all models the capacity to take on the Athlon 64 X2 dual core processor expected in late summer.

jlreich
05-19-2005, 03:41 PM
I read somewhere, can't remember where now, that AMD has been planning on the release of dual core since 1999, and that the latest chipsets would already have support for dual core. With no hardware upgrades necessary. I think I read that in an article in Yahoo news the day Intel released their dual core.

But then, you can't always believe what you read. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the excellent info Saphalline. ;)