Windows98SE !!

[diurnal]

98se is still on my top list of operating systems. I ventured in to ME territory the other day, and had bad experiences again. And XP is out of the question. SO randytx i dont think xp saved ME.

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[Jumby]

Just got my new stuff today. Will start rebuilding my computer this weekend and install XP. I hope I'm not dissatisfied.

[Reid]

I thought I would stay with WIN98SE after wasting money on buggy ME, but I bought XP anyway and am very happy with it. It does run faster than SE, at least on my system anyway.

Also found that I could Ghost image it with ver. 5 and boot off the image (I did not convert to NTFS.)

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[sea69]

why is XP out of the question?

(besides price)

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[pentachris]

The main reason I'm hesitant to switch to XP is all the crap they stuff into it "for your convenience." From what I've heard and read about XP, M$ has created a system that's bloated to unprecedented proportions. If I want to rip disks or play streaming video, I'll install and use the software I want to do it with.

And it wouldn't be as bad if their programmers didn't still seem to have the old K-LOC mentality ("K" for "thousand", "LOC" for "Lines Of Code" - where more code is perceived as better or more important instead of less streamlined and less efficient).

Using 98 Lite (http://www.98lite.net), you can have windows slimmed down to 50 megs. Why can't M$ deliver a lean, mean version of Windows? Why can't another company deliver a GUI based, easy to use, lean, mean operating system for PC's if M$ won't? (Don't answer that - I know all the reasons why... http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif )

I'm really considering making the switch to Linux - if the learning curve weren't straight up, I'd have already been there by now.

Yes, I know my arguments here have some holes and that I'm inviting attack, but I just get really frustrated with the whole mess sometimes. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/mad.gif

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[Vic 970]

It's down to the consumer to direct the o/s & software that they want.

I don't feel that Anything (inc. progs.) has improved since 98.

Alright there have been some useful additions, BUT there has also been a deterioration as well. We learn the new features only to find that some of the 'old' features which we loved have dissapeared.

Sortware producers are in the buss. of Selling software, so they kid us on with how much better it is, but surely most of us here have been around long enough not to listen to that crap.

The only way that we can fight back is to stick with what we have got, until they 'improve' that version, & keep it compatable.

What I mean is, that we 'have' to upgrade to keep communicating, for example I recently did some files in Office 2000 only to find that my PC at work (Office 97) wouldn't read them.

When they upgrade 98, (3rd edition, 4th etc.) which is compatable with 98 (1st, 2nd edition) then I'll upgrade, I'm fed up with buying problems.

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Definition of Upgrade "A means of introducing new bugs to a program to replace the ones that you have eventually found fixes for"

Regards..,
Vic.

[andreadebiase]

The point is another one though, if you want to keep using M$ OSs you HAVE to upgrade sooner or later, "they" will oblige you to. Technical support for Win98SE will stop on march i think, no more updates and soon many applications will require XP as the main platform. XP is not that bad and I had a good experience with it.
good luck

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[sea69]

well, I can understand all that however having been a diehard win98se kinga guy I am here to tell you that after installing (dual boot) winXP-Pro I have not booted back to win98 since the first day. (it's still there of course)

If you have ever run win2000 then you have an idea of what XP is like.

Compared to win98se XP does not run out of memory like win98.. I can run many more things much longer without the usual crash or freeze.. I know that on my machine the difference is MAJOR.

also, there are allot of additional settings and possibilities with XP.

I keep forgetting about the main problems with it as they were a non issue for me.

1) the price.

2) the registration/initialization.

I don't have those problems so I am quite happy.

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[diurnal]

Well 2000 will not run half of my stuff. I have a satellite and it will only work for win98se, but they say it will work for xp and 2k but i tried it with 2k and my dl speeds drop from 150 to 20. I called hughes and guess what?
Also when i had xp , right off the bat, sound cracking video card would not work. I know updates would fix that and i know xp is more stable than 98, but ill wait for xpse who knows.
Also i dont like how xp will stack things up in explorer, so a annoyance. But sooner or later ill upgrade to xp. ME is nonexisted and 2k is just geared to businesses. ANd when i get dsl in the yr 2030 ill be sure to upgrade to xp, but theyll be a new os out there then.

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[Randy_tx]

I was going to migrate to XP and did the "Pre-Install" program they have...GAD ! It came up with about 6 things I would have to reload or get new drivers for including: Creative Live Sound Blaster sound card, the VIA IDE controller drivers, said the USB PC Cam would NEVER work and I had two DOS programs which I didn't expect would work either...sooooo, I punted on it. I'll migrate to XP before the end of 2002 when the 1st or 2nd Service Pack is released.

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XP didn't save Me !

[sea69]

diurnal- the "stack up" option is just that, an option>> just right click and from the menu choose "ungroup".. and you see individual windows like win9x.

XPse.. hehe.. won't be long I bet.

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[diurnal]

LOL punted on it . good one http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Randy

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[sea69]

Randy

pay no attention to the compatibility tests, they indicated that my logitech camera (usb), and several other things would not work.

They all did.

even my winpoet dsl connection was auto configuered without needing to use the verizon install cd.

they already have released upgrades to xp as well..

heh

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I suppose it isn't for everyone... and frankly I am much surprised that it worked so well for me on this compaq.




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[Byrus]

Well, I hope I'm not stepping into some forbidden Taboo or something here, but I for won have been *extremely* pleased with W2K.

A lot of people are complaining about the boot times, like that's the only thing that they can come up with to complain about... I say, if you can't wait the extra 45 seconds, then go fix a sandwich, go to the bathroom, put a load in the washer, talk to your kids for 45 seconds... do something. And it still *really* bothers you, then don't ever shut down or restart. As a matter of fact with W2k, that's one thing that I haven't been doing a lot of lately. So anyday I'll wait an extra 45 seconds if it keeps me from re-starting 5 to 10 times.

And an earlier analysis of W2K being similarly bloated as XP I think is way far off. There are a lot of things that Windows XP forces on you that aren't in XP. My cousin installed XP, and had problems with his CDBurner because the XP burner software wouldn't let his preferred software run correctly, and his burner wasn't supported. I wanted Windows Media Player 7, I had to dload it...

W2K is... well the closest analogy I can come up with is WinNT with DirectX. There are a lot of people using it, and it's a great App.

Check www.dslreports.com (http://www.dslreports.com) for that Hughs Satellite, they've got a patch for everything.

Also, I'm noticing that alot of companies are issuing W2K drivers now. (Although everything in my box installed straight away without an issue).

-Byrus

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[mjc]

I do have a problem with the activation...mainly because of the price, for what you are paying you shouldn't have to beg permission everytime you ned or want to reinstall...(that said I'll get on the rest of my point)

I know that my current system will have problems with it so I'm going to hold off final judgement on it until after I build my new machine later this year..it will be built with XP in mind....and I'll load it then....hopefully sp1 will be out. In the mean time my sister is wanting a new machine so I'll probably be doing it for that one, it should be ready in a couple of weeks.


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[iisbob]

Well, i've been using computers since before there was a such thing as an Operating system, and i can tell you that until XP, i believed NT 5.0 ( or W2000 as it's commonly known ) was the best OS ( not counting linuix distributions of course ) i've worked with/on and used.

W2K offered all the polite visual images a consumer liked, while offering the high security and stability you need in a business world; and for the first time it really was " Plug & Play " instead of W95 kernel's ( this is 98/ME ) " plug & Pray ". If you've ever had to manually set IRQ's and addresses in a DOS enviroment you can appreciate my sentiments.

As for the " K-loc " statement, what do you expect?! You don't get all those useful features you like without some overhead! try creating a document in DOS, or creating a picture file in DOS, or GOD forbid, W3.11!!

Until my company gave me XP Pro to test for possible future upgrading, i too could care less about " another " sorry MS pushout product-in my opinion W2K was all you needed ( with a linux dual boot for the best of both worlds ), now however i'll have to say that MS finally got it right-and with a few minor tweaks i'm as happy with XP as i was with W2K.

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[wiltrot]

Definitely W2K is by far the best OP system I've worked with and don't know what all the fuss is about WME. I have no problems with it. I use both on my system so my kids can play and I can work. Looking forward to XP. I'm a "in with the new and out with the old" kind of guy. I think maybe we are putting to many demands on our computers. Just find what works, injoy yourself and move on. Yea I know, "what ever".

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What's up with that?

[sea69]

Byrus
- for me XP boots much faster than win9x.. both brand new clean installs on the same machine.

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[atc_traffic856]

I was having alot of problems with the various OS systems related. And I finally wanted something fast, accurate, and slim and mean; plus I wanted to upgrade as for my own personal bennifit. So I am in the midst of migrating to Linux, after many months of research. The only thing is about Linux OS systems Red Hat ecetra, is you are on your own to create to destroy and to fix.. But so far so good>>

[kenja]

I've got XP Pro on a partition, but I rarely boot it. Reason: blurry, hard-to-recognize icons. I've selected the "classic" appearance options. Maybe there is an easy solution, but I've been way too busy to look for it.