New V.92 Standard for Dial-Up Modems.

[Son of Zeus]

Does anyone have any updates on the implementation of the new V.92 International Standard for Dial-Up Modems? Is it living up to the hype?

In the promotional blurbs they were quoting the following benefits:
 The ability to disable your Web Browser for 15-20 minutes to make, or
take, phone calls without losing your Net connection.
 Better, smarter algorithms to speed up downloads.
 A smaller memory footprint.

Cheers.......Son of Zeus.

[ixl]

Okay, I didn't even know this existed. (I hope that clears up anyone's possible excessive admiration for my knowledge level.) Thanks for mentioning this SOZ; where did you read about it?

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[Son of Zeus]

Charles, Charles, Charles,

OK...off I go again...searching out URLs & long forgotten postings that I should have made better note of. I really am slack. But there u go.

From memory all the major stakeholders agreed upon the V.92 replacement of V.90 about the same time as the USB 2.0 standard was signed off on. But I'll dig it all up shortly.

One of the most interesting things at the time (a few months back now) was that the major US based modem manufacturers Rockwell (? yes?) & others were going to press ahead with implementation of V.92 even though ISPs were against it. Evidently they didn't want another round of expensive upgrading of equipment & software etc to support V.92.

But ofcourse in terms of "saleability" & "marketability" consumers with a dial up connection would naturally jump at the chance to stop their web browsing & make/take calls for up to 20 minutes without disconnecting from the Net. This is a better selling point than V.92's other features such as faster uploading & downloading & smaller memory etc footprints.

ISPs said "we won't support it". Modem manufacturers responded with "tough titties we are about to implement it, so learn to live with it". Thought the V.92 modem wars would have been in full swing by now. But just for u Charles, I'll find the relevant links. :-)

Cheers.......Son of Zeus.

[Son of Zeus]

Once again this isn’t the actual link that I was looking for but it does cover most of the areas that I was mentioning re V.92. The PC World URL is: http://www.pcworld.com/pcwtoday/article/0,1510,17076,00.html

Dial-Up Ain't Dead
Suffering from the can't-get-broadband blues? Here's good news for analog modems. by Tom Spring, PC World June 8, 2000, 11:00 p.m. PT

...Adding Tricks With V.92
This month, modem makers hope to prod the analog modem market when they rally behind yet another modem standard, V.92.

V.92 promises to cut in half the time it takes modems to connect to your Internet service provider. Keeping tabs on your telephone line quality and connection speeds, V.92 modems won't waste time reconfiguring themselves to link to your ISP.

Along with boosting potential upload speeds from 33.6 to 44 kbps, V.92 modems will support Internet call waiting, so you can take a phone call on the line you're surfing on without disconnecting from your ISP.

Internet call waiting works in conjunction with standard call waiting services offered by most telephone companies. When there's an incoming call, up pops a dialog box on your screen. If you want, you can pause your Net connection and answer the phone. When you're finished talking, you'll still be connected to the Net.

The V.92 standard is expected to be approved in June by the International Telecommunications Union. Once that happens, experts say V.92 modems will be available to the consumers by the end of the year.

Of course, that's no help to you until your ISP upgrades to the V.92 standard, and the early polls are mixed.

Last time around, ISPs spent between $3.5 and $4 billion worldwide upgrading their networking infrastructure to handle the V.90 56-kbps standard, according to Brad Baldwin, an IDC analyst. Fortunately, unlike the V.90 standard, V.92 won't demand that kind of overhaul, either by ISPs or consumers. For most, it will simply require a software upgrade.

However, ISPs generally don't sound very excited about V.92. AOL and MSN both say they are still evaluating the V.92 standard and will see if other ISPs jump on the standard before they commit to upgrading their networks. At EarthLink , upgrades to V.92 will be incremental, according to Steve Dougherty, director of technology acquisition. He says EarthLink will evaluate the cost and consumers benefits before committing to wide-scale upgrades.

Cheers.......Son of Zeus.

[ReddDogg]

I don't know how internet dial up works in other parts of the country and world, but here in ohio, usa, no one could care less about beign able to make a phone call and keep the connection. Our biggest problem is gettign disconnected because of noise on our phone lines or piss poor modem driver written for conextant, rockwell, hsp, telepath for windows, etc... modems that suck ass even when you have the best driver installed if you do have any noise on your lines. Where I am, our phone system really doesn't support v.90 at all, though the phone company says I do. Now, I have no problems with my modem, but I was smart enough to buy a diamond supra 56i modmem (actually 4 of them) and the only computer I have that doesn't connect fast is one with an LT winmodem, and a rockwell modem.

Screw v.92, just get a cable modem.

Obviously it is very late, and I am tired after listening to a bunch of irate callers who own conextant modems who wonder why they can't stay connected, and why all the isp's have to throw them offline all the time... ugggghhh... I want a different job....

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[mshall2000]

Originally posted by ReddDogg:
I don't know how internet dial up works in other parts of the country and world, but here in ohio, usa, no one could care less about beign able to make a phone call and keep the connection. Our biggest problem is gettign disconnected because of noise on our phone lines or piss poor modem driver written for conextant, rockwell, hsp, telepath for windows, etc... modems that suck ass even when you have the best driver installed if you do have any noise on your lines. Where I am, our phone system really doesn't support v.90 at all, though the phone company says I do. Now, I have no problems with my modem, but I was smart enough to buy a diamond supra 56i modmem (actually 4 of them) and the only computer I have that doesn't connect fast is one with an LT winmodem, and a rockwell modem.

Screw v.92, just get a cable modem.

Obviously it is very late, and I am tired after listening to a bunch of irate callers who own conextant modems who wonder why they can't stay connected, and why all the isp's have to throw them offline all the time... ugggghhh... I want a different job....

[mshall2000]

i just bought the actiontec modem with call waiting and i have 15 days to try it out but so far it seems that when i get a call and even if i dont answer it i still lose the connection, i was getting tired of always missing calls and thought this would be the greatest thing besides all those other software gadgets where u call see whos calling and all but in the end u have to pay so much a month. but if it continues to do this i guess ill be returning it

[tennie]

Hello,Can any one tell me if my Java isn't working,I use IE,Windows98SE,
Is there any place on the net that I may reload it to my puter,rather than re-installing windows again.The registry is saying its in the puter,but it don't work...I had to ins Netscape just to be able to play games.Hoping someone might have an answer....THXS....Tennie

[bassman]

Say Tennie,
Sorry to HAMMER you on your first post but bringing up a 16 month old post and dropping in a question with absolutly no relevence to that topic is a bit ridiculous.

You are asking about a software issue and you give no details to what the problem is or symptoms are.
I suggest you try again in the appropriate forum (software) and give a few more details as to what exactly the problem is.
There are many here who would be happy to help if you show the same effort they do http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

Oh yea, Welcome to the PC Guide http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/cool.gif

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[This message has been edited by bassman (edited 01-17-2002).]

[Paul Komski]

mshall2000 maybe your ISP hasn't upgraded to v.92. I recently asked here about CallWaiting and someone recommended Actiontec, but its not available/compatible outside N.America.

Then I discovered from HERE (http://modemsite.com/56k/LTWINv92.HTM) that since Aug 2001 WinModems can be upgraded to v.92 - but to get all the features your ISP must have upgraded too.

Zoom have come in for special criticism for trying to prevent software/firmware upgrading of their v.90 modems. Of course; they just want to sell new v.92 ones. The ISPs/Telecoms also seem reluctant to upgrade; well there's more money to be made by renting a second line and less to be spent on upgrading. So although the technology is there the consumer will have to wait till something else pushes for these changes.

I find it arrogant if anyone just says "get cable" or "get a 2nd line". We don't all live in the same economic or centralised circumstances (and from past experience here you might have to wait months for the Telecom to install these things neways). Line noise is a separate issue, but I thought that certain minimum standards had to be maintained by the Telecoms.

This PCGuide (and a number forum members) recommend using hardware modems, which is all fine and well and obviously a better option, unless bugetary considerations are paramount.

A final point in favour of v.92/call-waiting (for Notebook users especially) is that when visiting other homes with a single line, you could still dial-up and occupy the phone-line without preventing calls from coming-in.



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[JadedC36]

I bought a Diamond Supra Max 56k USB V.92 external modem to use on a new unit I built (because I've heard a lot of negatives about PCI modems). My USR V.90 (ISA, not PCI) connects at 44k, but the new USB will only get 31.2k. The word on this external unit is it handles marginal lines well, and my line is quite a distance from the C.O., so much for that capability. If a line has call waiting, and you do not deactivate the feature (*70) before the dialup to your ISP, you will be disconnected when you receive an incoming call (some newer switches give you the 'beep' in such a way that you aren't, hence some will say "I don't get disconnected"). For the V.92 to work both ends will have to be capable of going on hold, so I think they would both have to be V.92. Otherwise your ISP's modem will disconnect when the modem signal disappears.

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Mike

[Paul Komski]

JadedC36 I have been looking everywhere for an online site that will supply a v.92-CallWaiting Modem to an international address. Now, from your post, I have found that I could get the same modem from Here at Yahoo (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/a-c/diamsupmax56.html) Perhaps there are other sites and deals but this would do me fine; as long as I can get call-waiting to knock me off line.

So it would be really cool http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/cool.gif if you could post back confirming that (assuming call-waiting has not been deactivated) (a) an incoming call will knock you off line and (b)that the normal telephone then starts to ring, when you are using this modem. If that's confirmed; I will definitely go for it!! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I know that you do not appear to be getting as good a connection as on your old ISA card - but quoted connection rates don't always equal the reality.



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Take nice care of yourselves - Paul
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