buying new comp.

[survivor]

I am looking for a sysyem for home use and no gaming or business. I have read some of the posts for components but being a novice it is still a little confusing.I was told that AMD 64 was better than the Intel P4 or the Sempron 64 This I do not know.Also that a 800 front buss would be a good choice.My current machine has 80Gb HD,512 MBRam Intel P4 with dual layer cd drives. It works fine for me but I am giving this to my daughter and would like to find something similar. Any sugesstion would be appreciated. Thank

[saphalline]

Welcome to the PC Guide Forums!! :D

What's your budget for this new wonder? And what is the speed of your current P4? That might help so that we don't give you a slower system than what you have. :p

Can you elaborate as to what programs you use most often? Is this just for web-surfing or do you do the occasional photo/video editing, too? A lot of multi-tasking or not? And what parts will you be needing - the whole thing or do you have an extra monitor or keyboard or optical drive that you can transfer?

[survivor]

I have an 80 GB HD with 512 Mb Ram I do not do any photo editing as of yet.No multi tasking. Ge Force 5200 installed with Windows XP Pro. I have a monitor,keyboard and mouse and speakers.Other than that I don't know if I can go into the system and see what else it has.Thanks

[hockey man]

What's your budget for this new wonder?

This is very important. It makes a difference if you have $3000 versus $800.

[poppy]

Download Everest (http://www.lavalys.hu/products/download.php?pid=1&lang=en) and run it and you will get a ton of information about your system and then you could give us some more exact specs of your current system.

[survivor]

$800 to $1000.

[saphalline]

Ok, how about this:

$146 - Athlon64 3000+ retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103568)

$85 - Chaintech VNF4/Ultra retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813152049)

$90 - Corsair VS 1GB kit DDR400 retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440)

$77 - Sapphire Radeon X550 256MB retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102565)

$95 - Antec Super LANBOY case retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129145)

$80 - Antec TruePower II 430W retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103928)

Total so far = $573

So are you going to carry over your drives and OS, or do you need new ones of those, too? Also, the case I listed is just an example, feel free to change it.

[i an not a nerd]

Hey saph, if he isn't doing any graphix work, maby the x300 would work better? (aka cheaper)

Although, if survivor wants to use Vista, maby the one that you suggested would work better.... If he wants to use Aero Glass. (I still don't understand why Microsoft is going for the whole "desktop is a 3d mesh" thing...)

[pangea33]

Ok, how about this:

$146 - Athlon64 3000+ retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103568)

$85 - Chaintech VNF4/Ultra retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813152049)

$90 - Corsair VS 1GB kit DDR400 retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440)

$77 - Sapphire Radeon X550 256MB retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102565)

$95 - Antec Super LANBOY case retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129145)

$80 - Antec TruePower II 430W retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103928)

Total so far = $573
Certainly I am a big ole dork, but I am constantly thinking about upgrades for my PC. Even if I'm not doing anything that causes me to think the current hardware isn't up to task. Typically I just assume its too expensive, but these numbers are very reasonable.

Also, thanks once again for providing all this helpful research, opinion, and links. In my short time here I've noticed that people constantly ask the same questions, even when stickies are clearly marked. Even so, the forum regulars almost never pull a *stfu n00b*

Perhaps this is inappropriate, and maybe even a slight threadjack. My apologies if I offend. Thanks for everything PCGuide.

[saphalline]

Nah, the X300's are already old news. They're the same price as the X550's but slightly less powerful. That's why the X550 replaced the X300 on my sticky. I don't necessarily think the numbering scheme works :p but you can't argue with the prices. And I chose the 256MB version because it was only $5 more.

In my short time here I've noticed that people constantly ask the same questions, even when stickies are clearly marked.Haha! Yes, but survivor has already read up on the topic and is still confused. And rightly so. This hardware stuff doesn't make any sense to a newbie. There are 4 main CPU's out right now, several sockets, two types of RAM (not to mention the mysterious "dual-channel" thing), tons of confusion about SATA & PATA & IDE, and mobo's and vid cards are typically the least known components. Then there's the never-ending push to get people to buy good PSU's, and the fact that all these code names and prices are just too much for the uninitiated to handle. Once you get all the parts together (and they are compatible) actually building a computer is easy! But system design can be extremely difficult...

Ok, here's another quote (based on Intel):

$179 - Pentium4 531 3.0GHz retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116230)

$122 - MSI 945P Neo-F retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130516)

$79 - Corsair VS 1GB kit DDR2-533 retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145526)

$77 - Sapphire Radeon X550 256MB retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102565)

$95 - Antec Super LANBOY case retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129145)

$80 - Antec TruePower II 430W retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103928)

Total so far = $632

Slightly more expensive, but still within your budget.

[pangea33]

Haha! Yes, but survivor has already read up on the topic and is still confused. And rightly so.

Agreed. General statment not intended to single anyone out.

[survivor]

Found this information on my system.Hope this helps.

Mobo Intel Part#BOXD865PERL
Serial BTRL34909145

Proccessor Intel Part BX80532PG26000SL6WS

Memory Kingston
Part# KVR400X64C3AK2/512

Video Card Chaintech
LA-FX20
Serial#CO311210450

HD Western Dig.
WD1200JD
Serial# WMAEK2017626

Router D Link
DL-604
Serial#D901539039979

Chaintech
GeForce FX5200 128 MB DDR

Don't know if this helps.

[saphalline]

Yep, that helps a lot. Now did you want to keep any of those parts, or are you just going to give the whole thing to your daughter?

[i an not a nerd]

Saph: I havnt read your sticky for awhile, so I didn't know that you had changed it...

Also, up here in Canada the x300SE is 30$ cheaper than the X550.

[saphalline]

Yeah, I don't like the X300SE. The RAM bus width is only 64-bits. That's OK for grandma, but I don't like recommending a crippled vid card. If any of you buy one and are not happy with it, it's not my fault!

[poppy]

Saph: I havnt read your sticky for awhile, so I didn't know that you had changed it...

Also, up here in Canada the x300SE is 30$ cheaper than the X550.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the SE series utilize part of your system RAM? If that's the case, why would someone want part of their system RAM being taken up by the vid card? I had rather have dedicated RAM on my vid card and put my system RAM to better use.

edit: saph faster than a speeding bullet! :)

[saphalline]

Oh god, not those! NVidia and ATI both did that very bad thing!

NVidia's GeForce 6200 TC (TurboCache) and ATI's Radeon X300SE HM (HyperMemory) both steal some system RAM for themselves. They do have a little bit of onboard RAM, but they also take more! I really really don't like these ones! At that point, just go with onboard video. Don't try and fake a real vid card.

[survivor]

Going to give everything to my daughter and start from scratch.

[survivor]

Forgot to mention that I will not need a monitor keyboard or mouse. I think most are intrechangeable.

[i an not a nerd]

Lol Saph, i wasn't saying that I was gonna buy an x300se, but i mean, if someones not gonna be doing anything 3d, then just set the size of RAM that it steals to 4 mb.

Anyways, i'm just going from a budget system at decent performance.....(aka. not much vid., good ram, good cpu, good mobo, not too much storage maby 80gbs or so)

[saphalline]

then just set the size of RAM that it steals to 4 mb.I don't think you can change that, but I could be wrong. But you are correct about some people not needing even a decent vid card - some people really can get by on a cr@ppy one.

survivor - Ok, so you can pick either Intel or AMD. Whichever you prefer or looks good to you. Now we just have to add a hard drive, a copy of Windows, and umm... do you want a floppy drive? And of course we need to look into the case options. The one I listed was just for example and you may not like the looks of it, but it gives a good indication of the amount of money you'll need to spend on a good quality case. Afterall, you'll be building this thing and you don't want your fingers to get cut on a cheap case!

Ok, here are some hard drives for your perusal:

$88 - 200GB Maxtor DiamondMax 10 SATA150 OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822140168)

$97 - 200GB Samsung SpinPoint P SATAII OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822152022)

$113 - 250GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 SATA150 OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148065)

$125 - 250GB Western Digital Caviar SE16 SATAII OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144701)

$133 - 300GB Western Digital Caviar SE SATA150 OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144393)

$181 - 74GB Western Digital Raptor SATA150 OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144160)

For Windows, I don't think you'll need much more than the OEM Home Edition (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102151) for $93. Nice and slick that way. Then of course just pick any ol' floppy drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821103203). They're cheap enough.

[survivor]

Thanks Saphalline, So if I add the Samsung 1.44 Mb floppy and the 74 Gb Western Dig.Raptor Sata 150 oem what would the toal package cost? Thanks

[survivor]

Also looked up a few components but not sure if it would be cost prohibitive.

MoBo MSI K8N neo4 Platinum(NForce4Ultra) socket 939

Ram OCS Goldseries 1 GBkit (2x512Mb) PC2 5400 DDR2-667

CPU Athlon 64 3000+Venice

Video Card Sapphire Radeon X800 GT PCle x 16

PSU Antec True Power ll TP ll-480 Blue ATX 12V 480W

Case Antec SuperLanBoy Silver Aluminum ATX Mini Tower

Windows XP Home

31/2 Floppy

Any thoughts guys

[i an not a nerd]

Ok, the DDR2 RAM will NOT work on an AMD Mobo. They only support DDR ram. I would recommend the OCZ 512mbx2 3200 dualchannel kit :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227211

That is a decent mobo for a good price, and the CPU is really good value (the venice core is the best that you can get for the 3000+).

All in all, that looks like a good system. I would get XP Pro for better stability, and there is the RAM thing, but other than that, its a good setup.

[survivor]

Mike what do you mean about the ram? Is there something else I should think about? Thanks

[i an not a nerd]

First off, DDR and DDR are 2 different types of RAM. DDR uses higher voltage, lower speeds but tighter latencies than DDR2. They also use different slots, DDR2 uses a 240 pin slot, and DDR uses 184 pin slot.

The AMD processors have the memory/RAM controller (aka the chip that controls the memory/RAM usage) built into the cpu. This allows for faster communicationr between the ram and the cpu. This also means that RAM type depends on the CPU. On an intel system, the memory controller is built into the motherboard, so a CPU can be used in a DDR and a DDR2 system.

The AMD cpus currently support DDR ram, but not DDR2. Therefore, you need to use DDR ram in a AMD system. There is not much of a performance difference between DDR and DDR2 (at least I have noticed none).

The RAM that I would recommend is the OCZ 512mbx2 DDR400(this refers to the type of ram and the speed which is 200 mhz) dualchannel kit. The link to this on Newegg :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16820227211

Hope this helps.

[saphalline]

Uh oh, fix your link. It didn't quite fit properly.

Ok, the RAM thing gets very very confusing very very quickly if you're not careful. Just know that there is a difference between DDR and DDR2 (thus the naming difference) and that basically they just won't fit in eachothers' slots. As it stands right now, in very simple terms, Intel uses DDR2 and AMD uses DDR.

A few things about your previous parts list. First of all, you said you don't play any games and that your new system will be for light duties. So that X800 GT is out! That's a gamer's card, and for your "usage model" there are better ways to spend that extra money. Pull back to the Radeon X550 (which should be more than enough for you and can even handle light gaming) and spend the extra money on a faster CPU. The 3000+ is a great CPU, but it's just a starting point. If you have the budget, move on up the line. The 3200+ is the next step up at only $190, and the 3500+ is only $219. After that, there's a major price jump with the 3800+ at $323.

Secondly, I like your mobo choice! :D Definitely moving up the ladder there! Tons of extra options and an overall more complete mobo than the relatively barebones Chaintech. Did you get that one from my list?

Thirdly, we did forget one component. I don't know how this one slipped by me, but you need an optical drive don't you? Can't install Windows without one! Fortunately, they're really cheap these days. I'm sure some of the others will pipe in with their recommendations (there's a lot of good optical drives out there) but here's a few, also:

$43 - NEC dual-layer DVD burner retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827152052)

$43 - Lite-On dual-layer DVD burner retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827106988)

$91 - HP dual-layer DVD burner with LightScribe retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827140010)

The HP model is twice as much, but it does have LightScribe! Pretty cool technology, but the media is also more expensive. But hey! Sometimes the "cool factor" is worth it. :cool:

Oh, about the prices, you can check those yourself when you're looking up components on Newegg. Usually when I list prices, I list the cost of the item plus the cost to ship that one item. So when you see a total listed by me for a quote, the actual cost for you will be less, because Newegg often boxes smaller items together and charges you less for shipping. Likewise, if you wait too long and the prices fluctuate, your cost will also fluctuate. Or if you buy something when it's on sale or has a rebate or something. This is the computer world, so no prices are set in stone!

[survivor]

I am a little confused to say the least. In one message I am told that ddr goes with Intel and ddr2 with AMD. In one of the systems quotes it shows a intel p4 with a Corsair vs 1gb ddr-2. Is that right? Thanks

[survivor]

Going to have something to eat and clear my mind then start over with the componets.

[survivor]

What is the difference between the Windows XP PRo Model E85-03013 and E85-04026?

[survivor]

Saph: I havnt read your sticky for awhile, so I didn't know that you had changed it...

Also, up here in Canada the x300SE is 30$ cheaper than the X550.
Mike here is a system I am looking at now do you have any thoughts on it?

Windows XP PRO E85-03013
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice Model ADA3200BPBOX
OCZ Gold Series Model OCZ4001024ELDCGE-K
Antec True430 Model TRUE430
Sapphire 100118L Radeon X550 Model 100118L
Antec Super LanBOY Aluminum Model SuperLanBOY
Mitsumi 1.44MB 3.5 Int. Floppy Model D359M3
MSI K8N Neo2-F Socket 939 Model K8N Neo2-F
Anything else you might think I will need for home use computer. Don't do gaming. Thanks

[dfgasner]

I think that if you aren't going to use this comp for gaming I don't think you need $$$ ram. I think that you'd be better off going out and getting just some DDR 400 corsair value select. You save yourself $30-40 and i have yet to find a big performance difference

[survivor]

Thank you I will look into that.

[survivor]

Mike there are several Corsair 400 select value components. Any ideas on which would be better for my system? are you saying I should not get the OCZ Gold series 1 GB? As you can tell I am quite the novice. Thanks

[saphalline]

Ok, now you've switched to a different mobo? The K8N Neo2-F? That one won't work. It uses the older NForce3 chipset, and it has an AGP slot. This is ill-advised and is incompatible with the latest vid cards, which use PCIe.

Wait, when were you told that Intel uses DDR and AMD uses DDR2? Was that somewhere else? Because that's backwards. Intel = DDR2. AMD = DDR. That's the way it should be.

I don't know what XP Pro "single pack" means, but the standard OEM version is the E85-0313. Plus it's cheaper! I say that's the correct one, but why do you want XP Pro? XP Home would be plenty for your usage.

Yeah, if you get the Corsair instead of the OCZ Gold, you can spend the extra money on a better CPU. The 3200+ is good, but the 3500+ is better! And not much more money. As for the RAM, check my sticky. You want Corsair's VS1GBKIT400. Only $90 now.

And did you want a different case or is that LANBoy going to do fine?

[survivor]

I thought that the intel and Amd were switched but wasn't sure. It was from Mike I believe. Now I have to rethink this again.

[survivor]

i don't see the number E-85-0313. For the Windows XP Pro Version Could there have been a number left off of your last post?

[i an not a nerd]

Hey, sorry, I just go on PC Guide in the evening. Ya that looks like a good system, a faster CPU would be useful, not essential, but useful. An optical drive will be needed as well.

About RAM, I am sorry, I should have been clearer. AMD uses DDR, Intel uses DDR2.

And for a Pcie vid card, you will need the MSI neo4 motherboard at miniumum. I use the Neo4 Platinum, its a bit pricy, but a really good motherboard. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130484

About the RAM, Saph's reccomendation is a decent set of RAM, but it doesn't have as tight latencies as the Gold. So you have to decide between faster RAM or faster CPU. In your case, a faster CPU will do more than the better ram. Go with the Corsair, and an AMD 3200+, 3500+ whatever you can afford.


[QUOTE] dfgasner: You save yourself $30-40 and i have yet to find a big performance difference[QUOTE]

You have clearly not run mulitple gaming servers simultaniously on the same computer!! :p

[survivor]

Sorry but now I to confused to even tell you what I am interested in.

[survivor]

This is what I have so far:
Mitsumi Floppy int Model D359M3
Sapphire Radeon X550 Model 100118L
Corsair ValueSelect VS1GBKIT400
AMD Athlon64 3500 Model ADA3500BPBOX
Windows XP PRO E85-03013 So far Not I need to know what is compatible with these

[i an not a nerd]

ok, my reccomendation would be:

Motherboard: DFI nF4 Ultra-Infinity http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136163

If you want to be doing any dvd burning:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827131256

If just burning CDs and reading DVDs and CDs: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827151086

Hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144414

Case: Pretty much any case that uses the ATX form factor, that can have fans in the front and back; and the size of the case (full tower, mid tower) depends on what space you have to work with.

Also, make sure that there are enough fans in the case: I would reccomend at least one blowing in and one blowing out. (In through the front, out the back). This is for cooling.

Do you already have a mouse, keyboard and moniter?

[survivor]

Also found Raidmax Scorpio 668WBP case
MSI K8N neo4 Platinum MoBo

[i an not a nerd]

OK, the MSI K8N neo4 Platinum is better than the DFI mobo. I just suggested it because of the cheaper price.

That looks like a good case all in all.

ANd that brings me to the next componant. A power supply. The one that comes with the case should be able to power that computer, but will not be good for future upgrading. For now, I would stick with the one that comes with the case, and upgrade the power supply when you need to.

Also, do you already have a mouse, keyboard and moniter?

[survivor]

I found the Antec TruePower TP11 430W power supply

[survivor]

Have a mouse,keyboard and monitor

[i an not a nerd]

ok, then that system should be all good to go!

[survivor]

Saphalline here I go:
Mitsumi 3.5 floppy
Sapphire Raden X550 128MB DDR PCI ExpressX16 vid
Antec True430 ATX 430W power supply.
Corsair ValueSelect 1GB(2x512Mb) 184 pin DDR400
AMD Athlon64 3500+
Windows XP Pro
Raidmax Scorpio 668WBP case
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum MOBO
Have mouse monitor and keyboard.
If there is something here that is not compatible please let me know your recommendations. Thanks

[survivor]

If I have the componenets downloaded to a floppy is there a way to send the info to you? I think I have all that I need for the new system but if you feel there is something missing or anything I don't need would you let me know? Thanks

[survivor]

AMC 8"pin Power Cable Splitter Model Y Power Cable

DVD Burner Lite On SOHW 1693 S

NZXT Nemesis ATX Mid Tower Case400 Watt PS2 ATX 12V Power Supply

Mitsumi 3.5 Int.Floppy (will this work with AMD) Model D359M3

MSI K8N NEO4-F Socket939 Model K8N Neo4-F

Sapphire 100118L Radeon X550 128Mb Express VID card

ENERMAX Noisetaker EG475AX-VE ATX12V 470W Power Supply

Corsair ValueSelect 1GB(2X512MB) 184 Pin DDR

AMD Athlon64 3200+Venice 1GHz FSB

MS XP PRO With SP2 E85-03013

Any ideas or thoughts before purchase? Thanks

[i an not a nerd]

Well!!! That looks like a solid setup! But i would wait a couple days for the new ATI cards to come out, and maby get one of the cheaper ones.... or wait and get the card that you have picked out for a cheaper price maby?

If you choose to disregard this (i'm very picky of prices) then happy buying/building! (Unless you are getting someone else to build it.)

[survivor]

Didn't know about new ATI cards coming out. Will you keep me informed as to maybe a cheaper one also? Thanks

[saphalline]

The only thing you forgot was a hard drive. You'll definitely need one of those! :p Otherwise the list looks really good. Go with those items, plus a hard drive.

Hmmm... at less than $100, that particular model won't come down in price when the new ones come out. And the Radeon X550 is relatively new anyway. Just go with that one. Only gamers spending $200+ on a vid card need to worry about possibly waiting.

[survivor]

Any thoughts on a HD that would be compatible? Thank you

[survivor]

Looking at the WD 1200 JDTL H.D.to go with my system

[i an not a nerd]

Ah, yes. A hard drive. Wow, I can really miss these things when i'm tired. Or when i'm not.

That is an "ok" hard drive. Just make sure that you set it as the "master" drive and set the optical drive as the "slave". Otherwise you will run into problems.

[poppy]

You selected a Retail version of a drive. What that means is you get the drive, and diagnostic tools on a CD and the cable. With an OEM drive, you get just that, the drive.

For about the same amount of money I would go with this OEM version:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148065

You get 130GB more disk space plus more importantly a 5 year warranty with Seagate as opposed to a 1 year warranty with Western Digital. You will get all the cables you need with your mobo and you can always download the diagnostic tools and drivers from the manufacturer's website. It makes more sense to go the route of OEM, why pay for the marketing fluff of retail! ;)

[survivor]

Poppy Thought I would go with the Seagate Barracuda 120 GB HD. What do you think? I would still like to send a copy of the components.Thanks

[poppy]

The Seagate 120GB will be fine. You know better what your budget is and what you can afford. It just so happens that at the moment Newegg has the 160GB for only $1 more than the 120GB. Or you could spend $23 more and get the 200GB. Still your call though.

[survivor]

CD/DVD burner Model SOHW-1693s

ATX Case Model NEMESIS White

Floppy Drive Model D359M3

H.D. ST3250823AS

MOBO MSI K8N Neo4-F

VID 100118L

Memory VS1GB400C3

Proc. ADA3200BPBOX

Windows XP PRO E85-03013

[saphalline]

Ok, yes, this list above, plus the high quality power supply. Then you should be able to "pull the trigger" on this one. It's gonna be awesome! :D :cool:

I love system design. Most of you guys now have better computers than I do! :eek:

[survivor]

I did look at the Seagate with the 160 Gb but it only shows SATA where the 120Gb has SATA and NCQ. Any thoughts Thanks

[survivor]

Going to go with list on previous post and hope everything that I will need is there and compatible. Still checking on someone to build. Thanks

[poppy]

They both utilize NCQ technology.

120GB $87
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148039

160GB $88
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148034

[survivor]

Can you check on thse for me also and tell me what you think?
Newegg Item # N82E16821104103

N82E16811998701

Do you think either one is needed to complete the system? Thanks

[poppy]

Can you check on thse for me also and tell me what you think?
Newegg Item # N82E16821104103

N82E16811998701

Do you think either one is needed to complete the system? Thanks
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821104103

If you do a lot of digital photography, then I think a card reader is a "nice to have" plus it has a floppy. If you want this, then just eliminate the other floppy off your list.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811998701

I don't think it is necessary. The case you have picked has 2 USB ports up front and probably will be more than adequate.

[survivor]

If anyone as any thoughts on these components for a new build such as:

compatibility and OEM vs Retail suggestions would be helpful.

AMD athlon 64 3500+ Venice 1GHz Model # ADA3500BPBOX Retail

Windows XP Pro Service pack 2 Model # E85-03013 OEM

Corsair Value Select 1GB (2x512MB) Model # VS1GBKIT 400 Retail

Vid Card Sapphire Radeon X550 128MB Model # 100118L Retail

MoBo MSI K8N Neo4-F NVIDIA Model # K8N Neo4-F Retail

Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Sata NCQ Model # ST3160827AS OEM

Mitsumi Floppy Internal Model # D359M3 OEM

ATX Case NZXT Mid Tower Model # NEMESIS White Retail

Lite-On IDE DVD Burner Model # SOHW-1693S OEM

AMC 8" Cable Splitter Model # Y Power Cable


Any thoughts on changes needed please let me know,Thanks

[survivor]

Is the Seagate Barracuda Model ST3160827AS compatible with the MSI K8N Neo4-F MOBO?

[saphalline]

Yes, any modern hard drive will be compatible with that mobo. Everything from an old 1.2GB IDE to a 500GB SATA II.

[survivor]

Saph,Someone just emailed me and said something about the connector pins being different. I am not sure about that.What do you think?

[saphalline]

said something about the connector pins being different.:confused: WTF??

They don't know what they're talking about. The hard drive you listed is a SATA 1.0 hard drive. The Neo4 series of mobo's from MSI use NVidia's NForce4 Ultra/SLI chipset which supports both SATA 1.0 and SATA 2.0 hard drives. The connector pins are NOT different.

Who emailed you and said that?

[survivor]

So everything on my previous list looks good? The HD supports both SATA and NCQ as far as I can see from the description.I will try to locate the email from before and send it to you. Have to go to a wedding right now.

[saphalline]

So everything on my previous list looks good?Yep! Everything looks great to me! :D :cool:

Have to go to a wedding right now.Well then, all the best luck to them! As long as they both show up :p they should have a pretty good chance! (But if they don't, make sure you go to the reception party anyway! ;) ).

[survivor]

Would like to know if these are compatible and if so what computer case would be good. I am not going to be doing any gaming. Thanks in advance.

CD/DVD Burner LITE-ON BLACK IDE Model SOHW 1693S

Mitsumi Int. Floppy Model D359M3B

H.D. Seagate Barracuda Model ST3160827AS

MoBo Chaintech Model VNF4/Ultra

Vid Card Sapphire X550 Model 100118L

P.S. Rosewill 500W Model RE502-Blk

Mem Corsair Model VS1GBKIT400

Proc. AMD Athlon64 3200+ Model ADA3200BPBOX

OS Windows XP Pro & Serv Pk 2 Model E85-03013

[survivor]

Does anyone have information on Beantech cases such as reviews and where to purchase? Thanks

[survivor]

A little help please!
If I install LITE On DVD burner Model SOHW 1693S will I still need to instal a floppy drive?

[saphalline]

Well you don't need to install a floppy drive, but it's a good idea. They're still widely used for many purposes (like BIOS flashing and MemTest86, etc). Not to mention if you have any floppies you want to use, then yes, you'll need a floppy drive. Sometimes it's about personal preference, but most of the time we recommend one anyway. A floppy drive makes things simpler when trouble-shooting.

[survivor]

I am going with the Misumi floppy do you have any suggestions for a dvd/cd burner to add to system? After that I will post all components for review. Thanks

[saphalline]

This LiteOn DVD burner (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827106988) would be my personal choice. Come to think of it, I need one, too...

[survivor]

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ ADA3000BPBOX

Windows XP Home NO9-01152

ATX Cooler Master RC-531-SSN1

Mobo Chaintech VNF4/ultra

DVD Burner SOHW-1693S

Floppy D359M3

Vid Card 100118L

PS NEOHE 430

Fan F-012BB

MEM VS512MB400

[i an not a nerd]

If you don't mind, could you post the actual part names instead of a serial #?

[survivor]

No problem will do that soon

[survivor]

I have everything on a floppy just don't know how to send it to post

[survivor]

CD/DVD LITE ON IDE Model SOHW-1693S

ATX Case Cooler Master Model RC- 531-SSN-1

Floppy Mitsumi Model D359M3

MoBo Chaintech Model VNF4/Ultra

Vid Card Sapphire X550 Model 100118L

PS Antec NeopHE 430 ATX 12V 430W Model NEOHE 430

Fan Kingwin F-012BB Model F-012BB

MEM Corsair ValueSelect 512 MB Model VS512MB400

Proc. AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Model ADA3000BPBOX

OS Windows XP Home Model NO9-10052

These are all off the Newegg site which should be easy to find.

[survivor]

Previous PS Model # wrong.This is the model for the system. Antec NeoHE 430 ATX 12V 430W Would like to know if everything looks compatible before I order tho.Thanks all

[survivor]

Does anyone have any further suggestions on previous list before I purchase? Thanks

[i an not a nerd]

Its all good :)!!!

[hockey man]

Yep, looks good.

[i an not a nerd]

hockeymanisgay..... Just go away.....

survivor: hockeymanisgay is a prime example of some of the crap that turns up on this forum occasionally. People that think that they know something and don't. U53 a USB DR1V3 aka. use a usb drive. yo hockeymanisgay, don't diss floppies. They are insanely cheap and are useful for troubleshooting problems. Also, they do not break in a year. I still have my windows 3.1 floppies and i used them in an old 486. They work fine!

[PrntRhd]

I an Not a Nerd,
that troll has been removed by the mods

[survivor]

which member has been bounced?

[PrntRhd]

the hockeymanisgay one. We don't take kindly to trolls or spammers. His post was moved to Bitbucket and edited for offensive content.

[i an not a nerd]

Sweet. Go mods!!! lol

[survivor]

Any suggestions for a mid range priced MoBO and Memory to go with the following list of components for my soon to be new system. I am not planning on gaming or office work.

AMD Athlon64 3000+ Venice 1GHz ADA3000BPBOX

Windows XP Home N09-01152

XCLIO 450BL ATX P/S XCLio 450BL

KINGWIN KCU-7015 70MM 2Ball Cooling fan KCU-7015

Sapphire 100118L RadeonX550 128MB DDR 100118L

Floppy Mitsumi D359M3D

CASE CoolerMaster Centurian CAC-TO5-UW

CD/DVD LITE ON IDE SOHW-1693S

[i an not a nerd]

Look at these three mobos: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136163
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130491
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131530
I myself would get the DFI board.

For memory try this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227039

[hockey man]

Sweet. Go mods!!! lol


Yep, I love these Mods. Not only pc savy, but also very practicly and just plain kind.

[survivor]

Well I think I have just about everything needed.Just have to decide on a good mid range MoBo and memory.Have been seeing conflicting reviews on Mobo and mem.for Corsair and ocz msi and dfi. Whew a lot for this little brain. Don't know the diff. between the Corsair Mem (one says 2.5 latency and the other 3).This is the system so far:

Windows XP Home

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 1GB

Sapphire vid card Radeon X550

Mitsumi Floppy D359M3D

Case CoolerMaster Centurian 5 CAC TO5 UW

Cd/Dvd LITE ON IDE SOHW 1693S

P/S XCLIO 450BL ATX 450W

Fan KINGWIN KCU 7015 70MM 2Ball CoolingFAn?heatsink

[survivor]

Final 2 components for this system will be

MoBO MSI K8N Neo4-F NVIDIAnForce

MEM Corsair ValueSelect 512MB DDR400(PC 3200)

Thanks all for the help

[survivor]

Whoops forgot about the HD. Thinking of the Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Sata NCQ.Would like any other sugesstions.I am not using this for gaming. Thanks

[survivor]

Should I include a 56K modem just in case I cannot get cable?

[hockey man]

That MOBO supports SATA 1.5 Is this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148034) the HD you are talking about? It would make a great HD. With the modem, I don;t now enough to give your recommendations. On newegg they llok like you can get one for under $10. I'd call around now and look to see if there is a local ISP that offers cable, before I bought though.

[survivor]

Would like a liitle help with memory choice for components above. I looked at the Corsair 512Mb and the 1GB but Corsair shows diff. pins. Not sure which would go with my system.

[survivor]

Look at these three mobos: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136163
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130491
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131530
I myself would get the DFI board.

For memory try this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227039

Looks like it has bad reviews.

[survivor]

Unless it is just that one memory board.

[survivor]

How can I find out if the Abit KN8 ultra MoBo will take the Corsair Value Select 512Mb 184 pin Model VS512MB400 ?

[i an not a nerd]

Well, here is the specs: Memory
Number of DDR Slots 4x 184pin DDR
DDR Standard DDR 400 (PC 3200)
Maximum Memory Supported 4GB
Dual Channel Supported Yes

[saphalline]

survivor - Your thread here is getting longer and longer with no end in sight. I'm a bit confused about this. Myself and several others here have already taken you through many many good configurations of systems that meet your needs, yet you keep dropping our recommendations and asking for more. And worse, you keep going back to some of the same components that I've warned you not to get in the past. I'm not trying to attack you or anything, I'm just trying to figure out what you want. This is confusing me to no end. You've passed up perfectly excellent and compatible recommended configurations.

What are you looking for?