Uncached speed.

[HansKenens]

Hallo, http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif
I've done a PC-test on a very good site ( http://www.pcpitstop.com ) but there's one (serious) problem with my PC:

> Unusually low disk performance
Drive C has an uncached speed of 2.54 megabytes per second.
Drive D has an uncached speed of 1.99 megabytes per second.
For comparison, systems with the same CPU, clock speed, and memory size as this one have an average uncached speed of 3.95 MB/s.

Can this low uncached speed be the reason why games are hanging for a while ? Does anyone knows how to increase this uncached speed. I don't even knwow what the uncached speed means in the PC-world.

Thanks
Hans http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

[YODA74]

What speed is the HardDrive 5200 or 7200 a lot of that will have to do with that.I always get a low cache when i do a test there? you might try this,go to settings-control panel-system-device manager and click on hard disk controller then highlight the Bus Master IDE Controller and click Properties. Select the Settings tab and in the drop down list select "Both IDE channels enabled" reboot to effect change,don't know if it will work for you but worth a try or you could try an application Accelerator?
And HOW Much memory do you have?? What was running in the back ground when you ran the test?
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[This message has been edited by YODA74 (edited 04-03-2002).]

[Gallaeglagh]

If your Motherboard and drives can handle it enable DMA on all drives.

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[HansKenens]

Yoda74, Gallaeglagh,
Thanks for the suggestions. I gonna try out this evening (i'm at work now).
Yoda74,
You've asked me a some questions about the test. Can I send you the results of the test because it is difficult on this forum to give a list of all what's running on the background of the PC.

Thanks
Hans.
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[HansKenens]

Sorry,
I've tried all you've sugested but nothing helps.
What is the worst case i have to do ??
Re-install ??? (I hope not)

Hans.

[Vic 970]

how many tets have you tried on pitstop?

try it with your pc as normal (normal boot up & run)

try closing all running progs then re-test

run scandisk & re-test

run de-frag & re-test

print off test pages and compare results.

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[HansKenens]

Hallo,
Vic 970,
try it with your pc as normal (normal boot up & run)
try closing all running progs then re-test
run scandisk & re-test
run de-frag & re-test

I'have done it all but after 5 test the results are the same. The uncached speed is still low.
I'have also send the results of the test to YODA74. Maybe he can give me some tips. But does anyone knows where i can find ACCELERATOR ?

Thanks.

[YODA74]

Here is an Application Accelerator http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/IAA/index.htm

If your running a 5400rpm drive you may not beable to get the uncached speed up to average?


Again lets try this go to settings-control panel-system-device manager and click on hard disk controller then highlight the Bus Master IDE Controller and click Properties. Select the Settings tab and in the drop down list select "Both IDE channels enabled" reboot to effect change.

Clean out the temp. internet files and all junk files,scan disk and defrag Make sure no background apps. are running before running the test and then compare the results.The only thing that should be running in the background when you do theses tests is systray and explore.

Description Drive C Drive D
Partition format FAT32 FAT32
Cluster size 16 KB 8 KB
Drive label HARDESCHIJF BEVEILIGING
Size 22870 MB 15249 MB
Free space 18222 MB (80%) 9115 MB (60%)
Drive health OK OK
Last scan Wed Apr 3 2002 Wed Apr 3 2002
Data fragmentation 3% 1%
File fragmentation 2% 0%
Last defrag Tue Mar 19 2002 Tue Mar 19 2002
Junk files 204 MB (1%) 0 MB (0%)
Cached speed 107.77 MB/s (79%) 108.5 MB/s (79%)
Uncached speed 2.1 MB/s (53%) 1.85 MB/s (47%)

Description Your Results
Bandwidth Down 2446 Kbits/sec
Bandwidth Up 129 Kbits/sec
Average Ping 165 ms
Ping Loss 0%
TCP Receive Window 372300
External IP Address xxx.xxx.xx.xxx
Internal IP Address xxx.xxx.xx.xxx
Browser MSIE 5.5; Win 9x 4.90
IE current cache 203 MB
IE max cache 750 MB


You have a lot of stuff running in the back ground when running this test this cannot be. these need to be shut down in order to do the test.Especially find fast this is a resource hog.


RUNNING Prog.

Description Application File Name
Microsoft Office Snelzoeken Find Fast C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~1\OFFICE\FINDFAST.EXE
MS Office C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~1\OFFICE\OSA.EXE
Microsoft Office Werkbalk Unknown C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~1\OFFICE\MSOFFICE.EXE
Microsoft Word for Windows® 97 application file Unknown C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~1\OFFICE\WINWORD.EXE
SaveNow Unknown C:\PROGRA~1\SAVENOW\SAVENOW.EXE
HP ScanJet Parallel Port Test Utility Unknown C:\SCANJET\PRECIS~1\HPPPT.EXE
NVresume Unknown C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\FOTO'S\NVRESUME\NVRESUME.EXE
Chicony Multimedia Driver Unknown C:\WINDOWS\MHOTKEY.EXE
Microsoft (R) PC State Manager Unknown C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RESTORE\STMGR.EXE
Messenger MSN Messenger C:\PROGRA~1\MESSEN~1\MSMSGS.EXE
Outlook Express Outlook Express C:\PROGRA~1\OUTLOO~1\MSIMN.EXE
Monitor voor Still Image-apparaten Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\STIMON.EXE
Norton AntiVirus Agent Norton AntiVirus C:\PROGRA~1\NORTON~1\NAVAPW32.EXE
Task Monitor Windows C:\WINDOWS\TASKMON.EXE
Een DLL als toepassing starten (Various) C:\WINDOWS\RUNDLL32.EXE
Taakplanner Engine Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSTASK.EXE
Spooler Sub System Process Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SPOOL32.EXE
SSDP Service on Windows Millennium Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SSDPSRV.EXE
Windows Verkenner Windows C:\WINDOWS\EXPLORER.EXE
Microsoft DirectX Helper Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\DDHELP.EXE
Win32 Kernel-kerncomponent Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.DLL
Multimedia background task support module Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MMTASK.TSK
WIN32 Network Interface Service Process Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MPREXE.EXE
Windows 32-bits VxD-berichtserver Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSGSRV32.EXE
Protected storage server Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\PSTORES.EXE
Systeemwerkblad-applet Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SYSTRAY.EXE
WMI service exe housing Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WMIEXE.EXE

THIS is a BIG RED Flag!
Security Configuration


Description Your Results
ActiveX Security Issues None
IE Restricted Zone Permissions Java enabled
Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins
Script ActiveX controls marked safe for scripting
Allow cookies that are stored on your computer
Active scripting enabled
Scripting of Java applets enabled
Allow paste operations via script
Drag and drop or copy and paste files
Submit non-encrypted form data
Navigate sub-frames across different domains
Userdata persistence enabled


other than this I'm about out of Ideas?




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[sea69]

as was pointed out you have way TOO MUCH stuff running in the background!

try closing out most things you see in contrl, alt, delete box, (except windows explorer)

then run the test and see the difference!

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[HansKenens]

Hallo jongens,
- i've done scandisk for errors.
- defrag.
- clean up temp-files
- reboot
- ctrl+alt+del: disable all applications (only 5) without systray and explorer. But on the test there're a lot more programs running on the background. How can I disable these programs ???


Run the test once again but i still have the same bad results of uncache memory.

- I cannot install ACCELERATOR because i always recieve the warning: "hardware in not compatible with the 800 series" I only know that i have a PENTIUM III processor but how can i see which serie the processer can be ?

So, i don't really know what to do now. Big, Big problem.

Hans


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[YODA74]

http://docqueso.tripod.com/removestartupwin.html


this is msconfig list http://www.modempool.com/loosecruise/msconfighelp.html

read here to find the processor that you have http://support.intel.com/support/processors/pentiumiii/psqa.htm

and here
http://support.intel.com/support/processors/tools/frequencyid/
this will be your best bet
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[This message has been edited by YODA74 (edited 04-06-2002).]

[sea69]

yes, do msconfig from start>>run>>type "msconfig" (without the " quotes).

use the list of things you can disable provided by yoda.

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[HansKenens]

Yoda, Sea 69,
Thanks for the research. I've tried everything out. After closing all my programs (msconfig) i hade a performance of 91%. I run the test once again and the uncached memory was for C: 2.5 MB/S an for D: 2.0 MB sec. I could not install accelarator because my hardware is not compatible and i've also a OEM-version of winME. It is a pitty that i couldn't try that. I don't understand the uncached memory stays so low. At work i've a 350 Mhz pentiumII (win95) and a uncached memory of 3.5 MB/sec.
Hans.

[HansKenens]

Yes !!!
Problem fixed by my son.
- system properties
- Disk drives
- DMA wasn't "anable"

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[YODA74]

Glad you got it fixed But I Believe that is what Gallaeglah Had mentioned at the very first,Could have been fixed a long time ago.

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[HansKenens]

Yoda & Gallaeglah,
I'm sorry. I looked over what Gallaeglah suggested.
Thanks
Hans.

[markjem50]

HI,i had same problem, and then i upgraded my hard drive from 5400rpm to 7200 rpm.Now i get 3 times the speed i had.I went to pcpitstop to test it. Hope this helps. Mark JembrysekHallo, http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif
I've done a PC-test on a very good site ( http://www.pcpitstop.com ) but there's one (serious) problem with my PC:

> Unusually low disk performance
Drive C has an uncached speed of 2.54 megabytes per second.
Drive D has an uncached speed of 1.99 megabytes per second.
For comparison, systems with the same CPU, clock speed, and memory size as this one have an average uncached speed of 3.95 MB/s.

Can this low uncached speed be the reason why games are hanging for a while ? Does anyone knows how to increase this uncached speed. I don't even knwow what the uncached speed means in the PC-world.

Thanks
Hans http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

[PrntRhd]

markjem50,

This is a thread from 2002! I seriously doubt the original poster is hanging around & waiting for the answer 3 years later.