Computers too fast for us?

[saphalline]

Today's PC market is not unlike any other year in the past, with one important difference: PC's are getting too fast! Value PC's passed the 1GHz mark as if it weren't even there, Win XP 'recommends' 256MB of RAM but about 40% of new PC's come with 512MB of RAM or more, numerouse posts on this message board indicate no game performance difference with 1-year-old graphics cards, most of the students at my college still drool uncontrolably at the PIII 700 machines in the comp lab, and the only people I know who actually NEED a new computer are those with sub-200MHz machines.

If PC sales and my above observations are any indication, I think PC's are actually too fast and powerful for our current desktop activities; lamentably, even 3D games http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif!!

Agree? Disagree? What kind of impact will this have on future PC's?

[RKBA]

There's no such thing as a computer that's "too fast." Faster is better. Hopefully, in a few years we'll be wondering how we ever managed to get by with 1 GHz computers, which will seem like old fashioned mechanical calculators by comparison to the TeraHertz+ (quantum, DNA, or ?) computers and RAM's of the future.

-- Ron

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[Rick]

I have to agree with RKBA on one thing .
There is No Such Thing as a Computer that is Too Fast

Each forward step the technology takes moves us that much closer to a usable system speed.
In the past we have had to live with what was available.
Many people still live with those same systems .

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NEED a new computer are those with sub-200MHz machines.
“End Quote”

For those of us who see and use the advanced systems available today
That Old sub-200 is nothing more than a paper weight or Landfill ..
I’m Not a gamer I don’t even have a up to Date 3D card in my system.
But I can assure you that If those students who you say Drool over a PIII 700 in the computer lab
had the opportunity to use this system they would Not hesitate to recycle their Old sub-200's

I can also say that given the opportunity I will be Upgrading this Rig again When the 3.5GHZ chips hit the market.
I won’t be waiting till the TeraHertz + chips are cheap

[geebee76]

I won't be happy until I have my own personal Holodeck. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[iisbob]

I won't be happy until I have my own personal Holodeck

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[hiredgoonz]

It depends on what you use your computer for...my P2 266 is perfect for email and web browsing, but I prefer my 1500Mhz Athlon for photo/video editing and the little gaming that I do...

Everybody has jobs for their computer, some jobs are easy, some are not...if I want to compress a video file, I'd much rather do it in an hour on my Athlon, than let the P2 laptop take care of it in 7+ hours...

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[Ghost_Hacker]

..I think PC's are actually too fast and powerful for our current desktop activities; lamentably, even 3D games...

Software companies will always produce software that runs on systems with 3year old processors/video cards. But even then you'll notice that the more powerful your system the more features are "un-locked".

For me computers are not fast enough. They still take too long to bootup, too long to switch tasks and too long to start a processes. Of course a lot of that has to do with the OS, but still there's room for improvement.


I won't be happy till I can talk to my computer and it talks back.
(I hate typing http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif )

[hiredgoonz]

Amen to "too long to bootup" I want to hit the button and see the desktop as soon as the monitor warms up...

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[saphalline]

Haha! I guess I was hoping for a little more 'debate' here, but everyone seems unanimous on the whole 'computers are never fast enough' idea. Maybe I was just thinking of the average Joe who is afraid of opening their CD drive much less their case, but for those of us who know the true potential of computing, these beige boxes of yore are hopefully tomorrow's paperweights http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif.

Also, yeah, that whole 3D game thing was sort of a loaded question/comment because game companies obviously can't make games for the latest graphics card or almost no one would be able to buy them! I also hate waiting for my PC to boot up and I won't be happy with my screen until it's paper-thin, wrapped around me like an iMax theatre, and has a resolution that exceeds my visional capabilities! After that, it will be time for those holodecks http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif!

So... is Quake 4 ready yet?

[rond36]

System Information:
Soyo P4S Dragon Ultra, BIOS date 1/11/2002-SiS-645-6A6IXS2AC-00
BIOS update P4SX2BA1 release date 3/8/2002
Intel Pentium 4 2.0GHz 512KB L2 cache (Northwood)
768MB PC2700 CL2 (333MHz) DDRSDRAM (ME limited to 512MB)
IDE 1 Master Western digital 100GB 8MB cache Ultra ATA 100
IDE 1 Slave Western digital 100GB 8MB cache Ultra ATA 100
IDE 2 Master Plextor 40X12X40 CD-RW
IDE 2 Slave Pioneer 16X40 DVD-ROM
ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon 8500DV 64MB DDR
Onboard 6 channel C-Media audio
Creative Inspire 5.1 Digital 5700 surround sound system
Onboard SiS PCI 900 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter
Onboard Highpoint HPT 372 RAID UDMA 66/100/133 (disabled)
Duel-boot Win ME and Win XP Professional
MS Office Professional with Publisher
I disagree there is no such thing as a computer that is too fast.

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[saphalline]

Originally posted by rond36:
I disagree there is no such thing as a computer that is too fast.


Granted your configuration may indeed be too fast for a mundane task such as e-mail or posting on message boards http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif, but there are still bottlenecks in the system. Can your PC or anyone's PC boot up as fast as a PDA, for example, that uses only a cut-down OS and RAM modules for instant-on capabilities? Or how about when you're loading the next level in your favorite PC game, does it load instantaneously? Can you play ANY game at an insane resolution such as 16,000,000 x 12,000,000?

Perhaps we're all just spoiled by the insane rate of computerized capacity (remember when the NES had the best at-home graphics in existence?) but there are still times when WE wait for our COMPUTER to do things. And until EVERY task on the computer has been reduced to nanoseconds, there is still room for improvement. It's all about the bottlenecks...

[Rick]

I must be becoming complacent or something.
Over the past 7 years the idea of turning on a system and being able to use it immediately have become nothing more than fond memories .
Now it’s a matter of Powering up the system and going for a refill of the coffee cup.
Much like many of us were so accustomed to when we did a recalc of a spread sheet in past years

Today the Bottle neck for many isn’t hardware or even software related
It’s the task we have our systems perform.
Formatting a CD-RW or Burning a cd-r for example.
While many would love to spend that Hour surfing the web.
Many who have attempted it have found themselves with yet another useless coaster to rest that coffee cup on.

I am happy to say that after Many years I can now scan a Slide and still be able to Chat in #PCG
Also With the Browser open look for new posts on the board

As little as one year ago this would be impossible for me to do
Where is the bottle neck today?

[YODA74]

Only Bottle neck I see Is the Processor sitting around waiting for everything else to catch up to it,If your processor seems slow get a Bigger squirle http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Rick]

Or better yet get 2

[Whyzman]

I would be for the slower boot etc., because it fits into the routine I've established. As a creature of habit I would be quickly into distress with a faster machine.

Bootup....Start Coffee, Bathroom stop, Fill Coffee Cup and Add Creamer...Start AOL, Read the Sports Page, Wait until I hear "You've Got Mail"...Minimize AOL...Load Internet Explorer...sip coffee sip coffee...I'm in, PC Guide Forums!! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I'm sorry, I'd be all messed up with a faster machine! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

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[rond36]

I don't even have time to make it half way to the coffee pot. I've cut out the boot menu and the welcome screen so it goes straight to loading Win XP

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[borgdrone1of2]

hello
the need for speed http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif i think the faster we get the faster we get lol
but if our computers get to the terra herts range grate.and think how much more advanced the games and graphics could allso get.
i was reading in an over clocking forum on water cooling your cpu s it seams the more you over clock the more heat produced. why not take this to its final step and use a refigerant comperessor and run the chips at -40 or better your terra hertz could than be reached. just my rambleling thoughts.no heat no impedance. use liquid helium oums law cesess to be lol
holo decks just might not be so far fectched .so much for my unproven theries
have a nice day

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[hiredgoonz]

With liquid nitrogen cooling, people have gotten P4s over 3ghz. Intel just demo'ed a 4ghz P4 (think it was water cooled)...

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[saphalline]

I agree with Yoda74, today most of the bottlenecks are everywhere else, wasting our processing speeds. A standard ATA/100 hard drive today has a 9 millisecond access time. So a 2GHz processor sits around for 18 million cycles waiting for the hard drive! That is precious time for the processor to be doing something.

At the same time, processors nowadays are far from capable enough to handle a lot of the "futuristic" demands that we are discussing here. I noticed someone mention the holy grail of quantum computing http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif! More important for now, tho, are the problems associated with diminishing returns of multiprocessing.

Still, if a solid state permanent storage device AND full processor-speed RAM could be developed, then the processor would be used SO much more! These are the bottlenecks today.

[kidtimes]

i envision this.....a pair of glasses...a wristwatch ..some kind of electical tape fer the fingernails..there ya go main cpu/mem/os in the glasses..wireless ...connect to the wrist and fingernail tape.. using this well have some killer gaming... on the road well have all the things those business guys do with laptops)...not to mention the glasses will have digital video capture)..hmm lets see..oh btw the glasses wont be bulky.. thell be the size of regular sunglasses and the wristwatch wont look like a pda on ur wrist and the tape on ur fingers will be some kind of disposable tabs....heck fer the girls itll be fingernauil polish)..the desktop will be a see through hologram adjustable image in front of ur face..clickable ....

yes well get to the point where us mortals will have enough comp power to do just about everything........guess then well just have to ..get small)

[cougar9989]

computer can never be to fast. IBM has copper based processor that can run up to 10ghz. Motorola has developed optoelectric chips that can run up to 8ghz. The only thing now is to make them cheap and problem free. My true anticipation is for a multi gig multicontroler DIMMs that I can preload my operating system and configurations onto so My computer never has to boot. Secondly I would love to see intercooled processors so I can get rid of this noisiey fan.

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[RKBA]

Anytime I have to wait on my computer for anything is time wasted. Granted that the time wasted is usually waiting on some peripheral operation, but for example I'd like to press the "Compile" button in M/S Visual C++ on a 30,000 line program and have it compiled before I'm able to take my finger off the mouse button. That kind of speed would enable much more "artificial intelligence" to be programmed into our computers as well. Even if our desktop computers had the speed of our brains (billions of processors working in parallel), and could recognize speech and identify objects instantaneously, understand natural language semantics, etc., I'd still want a faster computer that's smarter than I am! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

-- Ron

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[bwlautt]

Yeah i can see if your a big gammer, programmer or just people that are impatiant.

Win 98
19inch monitor
P-233
256MB-Ram
30Gig HD
ATI-Expert 98
52X CD-ROM
16x10x40 CD-RW
Sound Blaster
2.1 Inspire speakers

Thats all i need sure a little faster processor would be nice but i know someone with a 250mhz that flies on the net with his high speed cable modem. but for most people i would be they are still using dialup and i would have to agree that 2ghz processor are too fast for what software is out there. Most of your computer engineers will tell you that a 500mhz is plenty of speed for whats out there. And as far as boot up times, not my fault that some people bought the Windows XP,

[leichaolan]

Although current games today are okay for mid ranged pc's (I've got a 750 Athlon, geforce2, 512ram), the games out in the near future will need faster pc's. Mid ranged pc's can run Wolf and Payne with little drops in frame rate here and there, but turn up them details like AA, jackup the resolution to 2048 to fit your jumbo flatscreen, and any mid ranged pc will go to it's knees. I read that the upcoming Doom III is supposed to have very hefty requirements; running at a steady 30 fps on a GEFORCE3! Regardless, I'll not be content until I've got nano technology flowing through my veins.

[iisbob]

not my fault that some people bought the Windows XP

and your point being???!!!

Xp demostrates a noticeably faster boot time than any previous Window's gui based OS so far.

Only DOS has a faster load time.

Not only does it offer the first true plug&play capabilities, { better than even w2k }-it offers a level of backwards compatability no previous version of window's can match; not even 98. And it's based on the proven NT kernel, so programs have no direct access to the system kernel, unlike 95/98/ME-thus allowing you complete control over how errant programs behave.

Most engineers state that 500 mhz is more than adequate for today's system's

Depends on the application's you run; if you only do email, surf the 'net, and use wordpad occasionally, then yes-it's more than adequate. However if you wish to use Office, any modern games and or any modern audio/visual software you need a more robust system.

Actually the recommended minimum for a successful sytem today is 600mhz cpu, 128 MB's of SDRAM ( at pc100 ) and at least a 20 GB drive.

In my current business we've upgraded most systems to around 600-800 mhz systems ( they're cheap ) but in my consulting i still run accross business who insist they get their last $ out of hardware that is incapable of running most of today's modern application's, just because they have been told that their sytem is " adequate " by some conservative engineer who does not have a clue as to how PC's actually work.


As i agreed with above, not until the day comes when i can intergrate BIO-electronics will i be happy.

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[rond36]

Originally posted by bwlautt:
Yeah i can see if your a big gammer, programmer or just people that are impatiant.

Win 98
19inch monitor
P-233
256MB-Ram
30Gig HD
ATI-Expert 98
52X CD-ROM
16x10x40 CD-RW
Sound Blaster
2.1 Inspire speakers

Thats all i need sure a little faster processor would be nice but i know someone with a 250mhz that flies on the net with his high speed cable modem. but for most people i would be they are still using dialup and i would have to agree that 2ghz processor are too fast for what software is out there. Most of your computer engineers will tell you that a 500mhz is plenty of speed for whats out there. And as far as boot up times, not my fault that some people bought the Windows XP,



Try installing Win XP on your PC it is the minimum processor (233MHZ Min required 300MHz Min recomended) that you can install it on. If you want to install MS Plus for Win XP you need at least a 500MHz processor (500MHz minimum required 750MHz Min recomended) and a 32MB video card or it will only install part of the program (no screen savers or games) and tell you that you need to upgrade your processor and video card or you can't install the full program. More and nore games are requireing higher system specs and I am not talking Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament I am talking flight sims racing sims and just everyday games that my 9 year old daughter plays. So she plays them on my 1200MHz Athlon system. As far as boot times go Win XP boots faster than any other version of Windows on the same system and my P4 2.0A GHz boots alot faster than my Athlon 1200MHz using XP or ME. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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iisbob
I have to disagree with you about boot time. Dual boot and win 98 wins hands down on timing. It is the same when it comes to closing down \ or doing a restart. I will do a timing of both sytems later on tonight. All I have running at boot in Xp up is AVG & ZA whilst in 98 I have 3 more [Progs running at boot up (total of 5)

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[hiredgoonz]

I guess it depends on the system, but WinXP boots faster than any other OS on every system I've tried it on...

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[sea69]

thought I would get into this on two points.

#1) When I first put winXP Pro in it booted VERY fast. Now it doesn't. I have used bootvis and that helped and I am kinda jealous when I install it on other peoples machines and see how fast it boots.

as for:

a 32MB video card or it will only install part of the program (no screen savers or games) and tell you that you need to upgrade your processor and video card or you can't install the full program.

this is simply not true.

unless you mean 32MB agp, I have TnT riva 64- 16MB's vid, 32MB agp and everything works great.

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[hiredgoonz]

Ok, so I'm not the only one with a degenerative boot process then? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

Wish I knew why it did that...

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[sea69]

[hired[/b]-

I can only assign the blame for the slow down to me.

I have added, tweaked, undone and redone resultant set of policies..lol

lots to learn on this that's one reason I love it!

also there's the undeniable increase in stability.

The new ZA Pro seems to be the longest to load.

may be something to do with my network, I am about to take that apart and do it over,

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[mwr1550]

Time is relative. I mean what are you looking for ? faster boot up? faster program loading? My old system with a cyrix mII 300 processor boots up in about a minute to 1 1/2 min.. Do I need it to be faster than that? not really. Granted I don't have alot of sophisticated software on it. But I do pretty much what I wanted to. I'm upgradeing so I can get better sound and video support for games and audio recording but then for me computers are mostly a hobby and I'm not in a big hurry do do things on my system. I use the time waiting for things to happen to tidy up my work area, file paperwork, clean the monitor screen, etc.

Ever read Asimov? for a scifi writer he is very prescient, In his book Richter 10 he details wrist computers using stylus' to enter on the keyboard. On that aspect I think he was wrong, by the time computers get that small, voice recognition software will probably have been developed to the point where just speaking the commands with run programs.

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[sea69]

hi

quote:
voice recognition software will probably have been developed to the point where just speaking the commands with run programs

it's already here. With winXP you can tell media player what files to open, adjust volume pause, open a different file....{verbally}}

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[rond36]

Sorry Sea,
as for:


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a 32MB video card or it will only install part of the program (no screen savers or games) and tell you that you need to upgrade your processor and video card or you can't install the full program.
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this is simply not true.

unless you mean 32MB agp, I have TnT riva 64- 16MB's vid, 32MB agp and everything works great.

16MB video card PCI or AGP (doesen't specify) is the min required for MS Plus! for Windows XP. I tried to install it on a P II 333 with an 8MB ATI All-in-Wonder Pro and it only installed half of it and told me to upgrade if I wanted the rest of it.

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[sea69]

16MB video card PCI or AGP (doesen't specify) is the min required for MS Plus! for Windows XP.

on that we agree, as I was saying above. Am I incorrectly reading your post where it said "quote:
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a 32MB video card or it will only install part of the program (no screen savers or games) and tell you that you need to upgrade your processor and video card or you can't install the full program.
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I was only pointing out that a 16MB was what I have and it works well.

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[bwlautt]

Wow didn't think that my little comment i made got things going!! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif But thats ok because I still stand on my grounds when i can take Windows 98 and make it bootup faster then Win XP. Like I said before about the person who has high speed, running about 2.6 Mbps compared to most dialups running around 40 kbs. just like the one person with his Cyrix 300 chip. Not in any hurry to upgrade, thats me, I dont have the need to buy the latest stuff. why upgrade when you can get the things done with what you got, sure it might not be blazing speeds but heck when your on dialup, even your Pentium 4's will just be sitting there and waiting for the information to be cumming in. I know one thing foresure if i will wanted a stable system i would switch to lynix base system, How many Windows XP's do you see out there that are used by ips lol, NONE that i can think of unless somebody can correct me on this. If you can find an ISP who needs his servers running none stop and is using Windows XP pro then let me know. Even Windows 2000 Server didnt take the cake to well. To many upgrades in to short of a time. XP doesnt appeal to me so if you like it great, keep making Bill Gates richer!!

[iisbob]

Most major isp servers run UNIX, not linux nor w2k server.

Not because it is more stable, simply because it was there first. Most businesses i've worked for/on used to run Netware-once again because it was there before NT, however i have successfully migrated many a company over to NT.

W2k server ( and older NT products ) run quite stable when configured properly and not monkeyed around with by wanna be wiz kids who's first introduction to computers was window's 95.

Linux is an exceptional OS; i like it myself-however it still has a long way to go before it will be a serious competitor against MS in the public eye. Posture all you want, but the fact is that without MS you porbably wouldn't have a pc; very few people have the desire to learn about pc's just for the sake of the experiance.

When i first started with PC's, Big Blue { IBM } still ruled the computer world, and Bill was just another kid in college with a lame brain idea of owning a " personal mainframe ", there was no " window's "-nor even DOS, and if you had more than 4K of memory, you were smoking!

So, no matter what opinion's you may have of Microsoft, and Bill-if it wasn't for him, non of this conversation would be taking place!

By the way, if boot speed were my main concern, i'd still be running BASIC on my old tandy coco!



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[geebee76]

So, no matter what opinion's you may have of Microsoft, and Bill-if it wasn't for him, non of this conversation would be taking place!

I could not agree more.
Whether you think Bill stole someone elses idea or is a brilliant businessman, whether you think Windows OS's could fill the cast of "Bugs Life", or are as solid as rocks, one thing that can't be denied is the fact that Windows opened up the computer world to non "techies".

I like MS products (apart from activation) but more than that, I, like so many others earn my living using or supporting them.

I take my hat off to Bill http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

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[borgdrone1of2]

hello
i think there lots more advances to be made i think the avenue of cpu,s and hard drives being combined in a crystal matrix might be the next step in computer inovation. they are allready working on lasers writeing to a
synthetic ruby for info storeage and retreval.the coast of the rubys are the draw back.$20,000 or so we,ll be back to the days of $14.000.00 computers .on a 2 cubic ince space in a ruby should an estimate hold 5000 gigs. so far this system is not pratical or we be useing it.but things change brake throghs happen dayly.
my first computer was a trash 80
have a nice day

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[AteKnob]

After skimming though this forum I thought it might be approprate to have one of my irrelivant ranting ravings.

Why are computers getting faster and faster, and software requiring more and more from those machines? Because, if neither did, neither would be in business, duh.

So are PCs tooo fast? of course!!! If software companys put enough effort to make more efficient software for computers that could run less efficient code then they would be 1) out of business and 2) daft because they didn't need to put in the effort (time,money) to make the software saleable for the computers.

Like most things it must break (or in this case, seem less effective) if they are to be sold ever again.

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[RKBA]

I just had my DSL service upgraded from 384 Kbps to 1.5 Mbps. I wonder if saphalline thinks that's too fast? I certainly don't! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

-- Ron

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[baoluanle]

>>So are PCs tooo fast? of course!!! If software companys put enough effort to make more efficient software for computers that could run less efficient code then they would be 1) out of business and 2) daft because they didn't need to put in the effort (time,money) to make the software saleable for the computers.

well, the business side is only a minor factor. the truth remains that complicated things are complicated. codes can be more efficient but only to certain point. if you want your program to do a whole lot more you've got to have more codes, and there really is no point in reinventing the wheel or rewrite the old codes when they do their jobs. not only that, there is a limit to the degree of complexity that we mortals can handle after all that's why they or we invented object-oriented programming in the first place. remember the old day when you sit in front of the monochrome monitor and type in commands at the command prompt? yeah it certainly was efficient, but i prefer the silly brainless ms wizards and the uvga 32-bit color. btw, if you're looking to upgrade to a 2GHz machine from your 1GHz machine, you can do something good with that 1GHz machine of yours by donating it Malapoa College here in Vanuatu where i'm serving as a peace corps volunteer, and we would love to have a 1GHz machine for our server. we still tinker around with 400MHz pII's and celeron's. and also if you have extra 32MB, 64MB DIMM chips, 8MB video cards, >4Gig hard disks lying around doing nothing please donate them to us! contact me if you'd like more info, baoluanle@yahoo.com! thanks a bunch!!!

[saphalline]

I think I need to curb all of this! I'm the one who started it (and I'm sorry!). Mostly because it took forever for my poor dial-up to load this thread! (My broadband isn't in yet)

Ok, ok, so computers aren't necessarily too fast or too slow for us, it all depends on what you want to do with them. This is why Unix and Windows exist side by side, this is why some of you are fine with 233MHz while others aren't even happy 2GHz, this is why software becomes more capable and power hungry, this is why we use "outdated" Pentiums while inventing 3D matrix processors using quantum algorithms built by nanotechnology.

To each his/her own. I really don't think it's fair to bash people because they like their older computers just fine. If you want to buy the latest 2.4GHz processor because it runs WinXP Pro and its MS Plus pack better, then good for you, I'm a little jealous. Just don't yell at anyone else because they don't want to do the same thing.

So far, advances in computing technology and software are under our control. Let's be friends while we still can...