Sonys New Copy Proof DVD's...

[Laguna]

Ok I THINK this should go here because in a way its security in the sense of anti-piracy etc.

So what do you all think of sony's new copy proof discs?
I recently bought the new Final Fantasy VII Advent Children movie only to realise I had to take extra measures to finally make a copy of it.

I wanted to copy it for the one reason of having that one to watch so i wouldn't have to keep taking the original one out of its box to watch it there by keeping my proper copy in mint condition and also its box.

I think the whole copy proof idea for Rental titles is a good idea but for the consumer that goes out and buys their own copy they should have the right to make a back up of their DVD's without having to go any extra miles.

I know there is a million and one reasons for there to be anti-copy discs but IMO not on bought films.

Anyone else care to share their views?

[i an not a nerd]

I think the whole copy proof idea for Rental titles is a good idea but for the consumer that goes out and buys their own copy they should have the right to make a back up of their DVD's without having to go any extra miles.

I agree with that. But whats to stop someone from giving copies to their friends?

[Laguna]

Well its ilegal but i supose that doesn't really stop people anymore.
But on the side of legit reasons for copying your DVD's i think consumers should have the right to make a back up.

[FastLearner]

Interesting theory, Laguna, and I am sure you have good intentions. the problem is that for every person with good intentions, there are 20 others wanting to cheat the system. The world is full of examples where the innocent minority have to suffer because of the corruption of others.

Why not force Sony and other DVD manufacturers to include a mail-in voucher redeemable for a backup dvd copy in the packages of the DVDs - kind of like a mail-in rebate? This way only those with a valid receipt could get their hands on a backup copy of the DVD, and the DVD manufacturers could proptect their rights at the same time.

Just my two cents...

[Laguna]

Not a bad idea.Just you know Sony would do something stupid like try to charge for the back up.

And its a lot of trouble to go through just to make a copy of your purchased DVD.

I don't know I just think that they may have taken it a bit too far with the copy-proof on bought discs.I mean would it not do them better to maybe focus that plan on the rental titles because thats a MAJOR area for bootleggers.

It just annoyed me that i had to take extra lengths and to be honest it wasn't even hard to manage it in the end.

So their effort is in vain

[jlreich]

I believe in their right to protect their product. And I do not condone pirating.

You are allowed to make one backup copy of your DVD/CD's by law. I make copies of all my DVD's for my own use within the law. It's not a real problem to do this and I rarely have any problem doing it. And I do it all with free tools.

My problem is they spend all this money on copy protecting DVD's to no real effect. I does not stop people that make pirated copies to sell. Heck for a few thousand dollars you can get a machine that copies 200 DVD's at at time. :eek: The machine will pay for itself in no time. ;)

If they stopped putting all the money into stopping pirating and sell the DVD/CD's cheaper, who would want to buy a pirated copy? Or even a pirated copy from a friend? Most people would rather have an original legal copy.

I am not saying DVD's are very expensive, they are not really. Just saying if they could save the money on stopping pirating they could drop the price and most people would rather buy an original anyway. ;)

There will always be a market for pirated copies, but I think there would be a lot less loss to movie/record companies if they backed off the protections and lowered prices.

IMO. :)

[mjc]

When you buy blank media, you are paying taxes and tarriffs to compensate the studios/record companies for losses due to 'fair use' copying.

But the bottom line is that they would rather make another $19.95 off you as opposed to $0.02 from the tax/tarriff scheme. These taxes/tarriffs have been on blank media since the first days of cassette tapes and have been renewed added to ever since. The arguements that VCR would kill the movie industry fell flat, but that still hasn't stopped anything.

Study after study has shown that piracy is NOT the prime (or in many cases a major) factor in the decline of movie tickets sold or CDs sold...one, if not the biggest reason, is price/value.

Not too many people are keen on paying $30+ for a night of total crap when they can wait a couple of months and spend less than $5 to get the same movie for a weekend (or $2-3 to watch it on PPV), or just listen to the best tracks of the CD endlessly on the radio and then pay $0.99 or less for just that track on not the other 10+ junk ones....(that the $15 spent on the CD would have included)

Yes, piracy is a problem, but it is not as big of one as the studios would have you believe (don't get me started on the artist/money thing....because that isn't even a factor in it).

What really scares the studios/record compaines isn't even the loss of revenue, but the loss of control. They are not the ones who say what you listen to or watch any longer. You now have the control to do that yourself. If you can copy a DVD you can edit it and that really scares the bejeebers out of the studios....you don't like that scene...just edit it out. You don't want to keep flipping disks, odd-ball remote sequences, etc to get to the added scenes...just edit them into their proper place.

The same with CDs...you don't like 10 tracks on an album...don't bother with them. Get a bunch of tracks you do like an mix your own album.

[jlreich]

Yes you are probably right MJC. It's about control.

And no the artists make their money from touring and very little from record sales. 95% of record sales goes straight to the record companies.

Oooh I just noticed you got your moderator title back. :cool:

[mjc]

:D

After many years of live audio and some studio work, I have no sympathy for whining little record company weenies...

[Laguna]

I think thats the best post i have ever read.
mjc=My NO1 Preacher=)

I agree 100% and there is SOOOOOOO many other things that the governments can be doing with their money than this crap.How many people do you hear get caught for downloading movies music etc ilegaly?A LOT!!!Why not put all that effort and sponduli into catching the bad guys that walk amongst us?

I mean come on if you were to pick a person you would be more afraid of and would want in prison who would you pick?A guy who downloaded a few films or a guy who is going to stab you to death with a knife?.....EXACTLY!!!

The one thing that i think you maybe under exagerated mjc is that it isn't for the money.I would have to say thats the other 50% of the reason.
It just makes me sick what a sorry state this world is in.
You can get more time now for ilegaly downloading media than for attacking someone on the street.It just makes no sense.

And to be honest i think these monster companies deserve to be kept on their feet fighting piracy.They deserve the hastle.And i hope it gets a million times worse for them.

And i know that comment is a double edge sword as us legal consumers will also pay the price but who knows maybe eventualy they MIGHT learn their lesson......

[i an not a nerd]

Why not put all that effort and sponduli into catching the bad guys that walk amongst us?

Because they don't care as much. There is no profit in catching people who go around knifing. However, there is alot more money in stopping pirates from stealing media.

It is all about the money. Corporations today don't care about the problems of the less fortunate. If the media industry took all the $$$ that it spent on anti-piracy and spent it on food, they could probably feed a few third-world countries with it!

If you have an extra hour or so, have a look at this video (large video btw, 1hr, 21mins and 50sec): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848

Very interesting stuff about 9/11, government corruption/secrecy.

Anyways, back to copy-protection. What the industry needs to do is to start developing high-quality stuff! Look at Oblivion. It is a very high quality game with no copy protection, and everyone that I know who plays it bought it legally!

Another Sony screwup. The PS3. The 'lite' version is not gonna have HDMI! So that means that BluRay movies will scale down to 580p! When will Sony learn...

MikeB

[Laguna]

To be honest it looks like Sony are just becoming another version of MS.
Anti-Piracy mad idiots that are getting NOWHERE in the war against it.

I had no intention of getting the lite version of the PS3 so i atleast wont have to deal with their incompatence in that department.
Im dreading the future for computer game consoles because they are just becoming more and more like PC's all the time.And there obviously are a lot of up sides to that but think who is on the top of the pc world?......MS
If that were to happen to consoles what would we be stuck with?.....X-BOX!!!!!!
That is my worst nightmare.As of right now im pro Nintendo Wii.
I will be spectating a while before I get the PS3 as i am worried that since MS X-Box is
obviously what Sony are going to see as their main competition they are going to take that path and if it does they can just bite me il stick with the true console people that are Nintendo.

And have you seen how much X-Box 360 games cost!!??
I seen games for as much as €75 which is an even higher figure in US Dollars.
What does that mean the PS3 are going to charge for their titles!!??
I wouldn't even look down on someone who chose to get their PS3 chipped to play copied games as its not too shabby an idea to pay €50 to get the console chipped and download all your games for free.You would be crazy not to.
Does them robbing us blind for the consoles not count for anything?

I don't know i just think all the companies are just too money hungry and need to REALLY think about what they are doing.As the higher they put their prices the more piracy there is going to be.I think people would think a lot less about buying pirate copies of ANYTHING if the price they paid for the original was fair.

[i an not a nerd]

I seen games for as much as €75 which is an even higher figure in US Dollars.

Well Nintendo was stated that none of its in-house developed games are gonna cost more than $50 US. BTW I am a pro Nintendo Wii person as well.

And have you seen how much X-Box 360 games cost!!??

Ya... I have a 360. I use my Gcube more. I'm thinking of selling the 360 on ebay or sumthing like that. Then again, I could always try and put linux on it and use it for a game server or something like that...

You know whats funny... M$ doesn't let anyone update windows through the update site without verifing that the OS is genuine, but the Autoupdate doesn't do that! You can even choose to not install the program that put popups on your desktop if your copy is pirated.

[Laguna]

You know whats funny... M$ doesn't let anyone update windows through the update site without verifing that the OS is genuine, but the Autoupdate doesn't do that! You can even choose to not install the program that put popups on your desktop if your copy is pirated.

I don't think thats 100% true.Any time i tried to update through auto updates it wouldn't let me DL the updates unless i DL'd the spyware also.So i just blocked anything MS on my machine from accessing the internet except what needs to.And i supressed microsoftupdate.com

Well Nintendo was stated that none of its in-house developed games are gonna cost more than $50 US.

Then they lied because all new release GC games here cost €60 and thats more than $50

[i an not a nerd]

Any time i tried to update through auto updates it wouldn't let me DL the updates unless i DL'd the spyware also.

Really? Ah well. It works for me... (not to say that I have pirated software, I just don't like that idea of M$ being able to peer at my computer whenever it wants to)


Then they lied because all new release GC games here cost €60 and thats more than $50

Whoops, what I meant is that all Wii games are gonna be $50 or less.

[Laguna]

Really?They are selling their newest console titles for less than their old ones.
Thats strange...Good but strange.

Hope PS3 can learn a thing or two from that

[i an not a nerd]

Hope PS3 can learn a thing or two from that

Don't hold your breath...

[Laguna]

Don't hold your breath...

Never do...Awful waste of brain cells :p
Nah i didn't actualy think they would just wishful thinking i guess.

[anton muzic]

mjc...
years ago when i was in a music phase...i got a small time producer to "produce" 2 of MINE songs for a FEE. Of course he went on to add his bits and pieces to what he described as developing for an "American market". When all was done he gave me copies of cd's but kept the master tape. He went on to place his own copyright symbol and name on the cd's.
I had no idea...so i began flogging the music and when one radio station showed notice ...i get a call from the producer saying i could not flog HIS stuff.
The industry is full of evil souls and the buck makers are the authors...not the players of songs.....just to hint at where my moral stands.

anton :p