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PrntRhd
10-13-2006, 09:09 AM
Microsoft blogs are starting to detail their plans for licensing Vista:
http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/193300234
Only one retail version PC transfer.
No loading in VM on lowest two $$ versions.
Crippling of the OS if authentication fails, including only one hour Internet per day.
jlreich
10-13-2006, 09:52 AM
Oh MS [shakes finger], what are you thinking...
I understand what they are trying to do, but those that want to pirate will find a way. They are just making it harder and harder on those that want legal copies. :mad:
Oh well, let them cut their own throat...
The $0 for Suse OSS or the $50 for Suse Enterprise Desktop (1 year support), and other distros, is looking mighty fine at this point.
Heck, for less than the cost of Vista's cheapest full version you can get 3 years of support for Suse Enterprise.
Hmm...
So MS isn't supporting OpenSource software?
The new terms for Vista look like the best way to support it...to me at least.
Also, one transfer...I guess they are believing their own hype and not what is real. That would be one upgrade/rebuild over the life of the OS, which is turning out to 5-6 years as opposed to their expected 3 yr plan...and even that is pushing it with how fast hardware changes.
deddard
10-13-2006, 12:11 PM
They are not only shooting themselves in the foot, they are using a shotgun and taking their kneecaps with it!
I've literally just loaded a copy of Vista (which didn't recognise my wireless NIC)
and the EULA with it is a nightmare.
It's a good job I won't be using it as my proper OS, otherwise I wil receive more spam than you could think of.
For anyone who hasn't read the EULA, it basically says 'we can use all of your info for advertising to you, and pass the info on to any third part so they can advertise to you, and you have no say in the matter'
A look at some reviews of Media player and the DRM is also shocking - you are not allowed to backup your media files, so if you lose the working copy - tough! go buy the files again.
This new raft of measures is totally stupid - one transfer allowed? One of my copies of XP has been on at least 3 machines after the previous ones have either died or been used for other OSs.
Enterprise activatoin? oh great - and just what other info will be sent out with this 180 day activation code?
Microsoft are really bugging me - I had planned to do some more Cisco studying before going on to study MACs and Linux, but it looks like Microsoft are forcing my hand - there is no way I can ethically recommend Vista to anyone as things stand, so it's going to be a case of studying Macs & Linux now!
Like I haven't got enough to do:mad:
i an not a nerd
10-13-2006, 02:29 PM
Gah.... with this info, i am seriously reconsidering buying Vista. If M$ doesn't change those terms I am never gonna buy an OS of theirs again (i'll just keep my XP for gaming, but that is it). Helllooooo Linux!
Laguna
10-13-2006, 03:44 PM
I could go on a massive rant now since I really feel like doing so..
But I don't even consider Micro$oft worth the time it would take to type it....
All I will say is that they are just giving the people who pirate Windows more to do and they will easilly do it like they have been doing so far.
As you all have been saying the people suffering from this are certainly not the pirates it's the legal consumers.
If a pirate runs into some trouble with the OS what does he/she care?
They didn't pay a cent for it and will just find a work around.
I guess I'm just one more person who will stick with XP and versions of Linux.
Atleast until the built in WGA tool is removed and all this malarky is over....
i an not a nerd
10-13-2006, 10:45 PM
If i recall correctly, XP was supposed to be "unbreakable" in terms of copy protection... And it was cracked in 1 hour. Something similar will happen with Vista. M$ may have lots of money and people to try and make Vista unbreakable, but there are alot more hackers than there are M$ employees.
Galaxian
10-14-2006, 06:39 AM
eh, just call phone support after you expire your license, they'll let you have a code..i've told them i had xp on several machines before and they still said "ok, thank you for your information" in not so good english, one time they didnt ask anything, not even first digits so i dunno how he generated a code for that one
either way i'll stillbuy vista :)
PrntRhd
10-14-2006, 08:37 AM
eh, just call phone support after you expire your license, they'll let you have a code..i've told them i had xp on several machines before and they still said "ok, thank you for your information" in not so good english, one time they didnt ask anything, not even first digits so i dunno how he generated a code for that one
either way i'll stillbuy vista :)
Galaxian,
This thread topic is about MS' proposed requirements for Vista, not about your personal experiences in activating Windows XP.
The proposed Vista requirements are different than for any prior MS software.
Requiring Activation is something corporations never had to do before, the limiting of a Full license to one move is something never done before, previously only done on the OEM license.
Mini-Me
10-16-2006, 12:05 AM
Purely because of the EULA and the DRM in Vista, I am not prepared to go anywhere near it for the moment.
It has actually forced me to take up learing Linux again.
:D
Also, QNX, BeOS...
madad2005
10-16-2006, 07:32 AM
I just hope game developers keep supporting OpenGL for graphics so that they can be played on Linux. The restrictions in DirectX 10 are equally unbelieveable. The future is linux!
rond36
10-16-2006, 09:43 AM
I posted this in another thread, and Budfred closed that thread without moving its contents to this thread so I will repost it here.
You would have to be nuts to buy Vista
Hi ... My understanding is with Vista we are only allow to transfer this operating system to another computer once ? If this is the case ? Then I feel Microsoft is screwing the consumers , I don't believe I will be buying Vista , You would have to be nuts to buy Vista under those conditions
My answer:
The OEM version of Win XP doesn't even allow one transfer, and any one that would buy a retail version is nuts so anyone with a OEM copy of Win XP has been living with this for 4 years anyway.
There will come a time when you don't have a choice whether or not you buy Vista.
Win XP will no longer be supported or updated.
The new question isn't' whether or not you buy Vista, it is when will you buy Vista and live with the restrictions MS imposes on you!
You could use Linux or buy a Mac but the hardware and software restrictions on those platforms far out weigh the copy protection of Vista.
Variable
10-16-2006, 08:25 PM
I think Galaxian was right. There will be no difference with Vista. A simple phone call is normally all that is required for a problem. I will go out on a limb and say Vista will become the new standard OS two years after it's release.
The story has updated, there is no VM ban. Shame on techweb.
jlreich
10-16-2006, 09:15 PM
I will go out on a limb and say Vista will become the new standard OS two years after it's release.
I have no doubt it will be the standard OS within two years. At least the standard MS OS anyway. I think Linux will continue to gain popularity in part to the increased restrictions and DMR crap MS keeps putting on their OS's.
When people get Vista and realize they can't do anything with their favorite music they are going to be pissed.
Mini-Me
10-17-2006, 03:18 AM
Is there a link to the pros and cons of Vista outlining all the new "Features" and what is likely to work and not work when compared to a system running XP?
I don't suppose that XP drivers will work in Vista?
Why is it, that with every new Windows release, you essentially have to buy yet another new nexus of computer hardware to run it...
:(
(...rhetorical!)
Peddling the market?
What's that?
;)
I seem to recall having to essentially replace all my computer hardware with faster, greater components in order to run XP with any kind of speed and happiness.
I get the same un-easy feeling with respect to Vista's upcoming release...
I seem to recall having to essentially replace all my computer hardware with faster, greater components in order to run XP with any kind of speed and happiness.
I get the same un-easy feeling with respect to Vista's upcoming release...
Unless you are currently running the latest/greatest the yeppers...that is a certainty...
Unless you are currently running the latest/greatest the yeppers...that is a certainty...
The coders at MS have never figured out how to 'streamline' anything.
Mini-Me
10-17-2006, 03:46 AM
Oh dear...
:(
That's a little annoying...
Most PC's running XP these days with any kind of speed at all, should have enough grunt to be able to run any other OS including Linux...
It's good for MS and the hardware manufacturing markets, but it costs the rest of us bigtime...
:mad:
Variable
10-17-2006, 10:13 AM
When Vista comes out new drivers will come out for most newest hardware just like with XP. However, just like XP some devices will never work. New technology doesn't always mesh well with old tech. I wouldn't put vista on a really old machine. From what I have read it will be a video intensive to get all the bells and whistles. Probably the biggest problem will be old printers, scanners and NIC's. Those are the ones I see with the most problem with XP. I wouldn't be surprised if it continues with Vista.
rond36
10-17-2006, 11:24 AM
My 4 year old PC runs Vista RC1 fairly well and I have drivers for most of my hardware but only basic drivers for audio and video that don't support the added features like the TV tuner. I don't have any printer drivers but I found a work around for that. I just print to the sharred printer on one of the other PCs running XP and it sends it to the printer that is on the network. I haven't found a game that runs right on Vista. It is like trying to run Win 98 games on XP they don't install right or they won't start after they are installed.
The 'full' Vista experience is going to need a pretty hefty/new machine to not look like a snail in the middle of January....one of the factors being DX10.
Yes, you can kill many of the 'bells and whistles' but then (until MS kills support for XP, in all its incarnations,) why upgrade to an OS that you can't fully use?
cool2bme
10-18-2006, 04:59 PM
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why upgrade to an OS that you can't fully use?
I totally agree but we should all get involve and inform as many people as possible , We need to show Microsoft that we will not support this new OS , Once they see we mean business ? They will change the EULA back to the way XP retail is , And this can work if WE act together on it
Mini-Me
10-18-2006, 07:19 PM
What frustrates me about every single Windows release to date, is the fact that you essentially have to replace your whole computer with the latest, fastest(read: most expensive!) hardware in order to run it.
MJC has already confirmed for me that this is to be the case too with the Vista release, however, I do wish that MS engineers would learn the meaning of porting code...
There is no reason why Vista should not support the 3-5 year old PC's right out of the box, but they write the codebase such that you have to use all the latest hardware - peddling of the market, in my opinion.
:mad:
It will support older machines...just not with everything you've paid for running full tilt.
XP was the same way. Unless you had a gig+ CPU and over 512 MB of RAM when it came out you had to trim back everything that was 'on'.
My big problem is that MS treats all hardware as disposable...they cut off support for the versions of Windows long before the hardware that runs it is stone cold dead.
TeST911
10-24-2006, 08:00 PM
i'm the kind of person that buys original software, and the terms MS are proposing are ridiculous imo...
linux ftw!
SufferWell1396
10-24-2006, 08:58 PM
personally, older OS's i use up dry, when they are hung out, and not supported by ANYONE (personally i couldnt care less if it was supported by Microsoft or not) i start to migrate over to a different o/s that can run everything i need (OS Being Used Now: Windows Millennium:D)
PrntRhd
10-30-2006, 11:13 AM
The latest response from Microsoft re the license terms:
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=EVRQ0N30BA05AQSNDLPCK H0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=193500002
jlreich
10-30-2006, 12:28 PM
It didn't sound like they are making any changes really. It doesn't sound like they really want anyone to buy Vista. :rolleyes:
deddard
10-31-2006, 03:27 AM
From reading the M$ response, it is exactly the same as XP. Although they say that the scope is wider, they also say
"When hardware components are changed, Microsoft's product activation process compares information derived from the initial validation, which includes the hardware configuration of the device, against the changes that have been made. This process uses an algorithm to help assess whether the software is installed on the same device. Validation will fail if the software detects a substantially different hardware configuration."
Under XP, a substantial difference means you contact MS and get a revalidation. Under Vista, you buy a new licence or "seek remediation through Microsoft's support services" - whether that means that they will still validate the software again for you is a different matter - they don't appear to want to give a clear answer.
Quotes from techweb
deddard
11-01-2006, 05:15 AM
One other thing I've noticed is that some AV companies are releasing products which will be fully compatible with Vista.
They are trusting MS to lock the kernel up (fingers crossed!!)
Amongst them are Sophos and ESET (NOD32)
This is from a newsletter from ESET
NOD32 Version 2.7 in Beta
We're pleased to announce that the latest NOD32, version 2.7, is now in beta and is due to be released soon.
Version 2.7 is fully compatible with Microsoft's upcoming new version of Microsoft Windows Vista. ESET developers worked directly with Microsoft developers to ensure NOD32 embraces Vista's new security model and integrates seamlessly with the system.
Version 2.7 also introduces new anti-stealth technology designed to reveal active Rootkits. NOD32 already prevents Rootkits from installing, now the new anti-stealth technology will protect users that already have active Rootkits running on their machines. This new "x-ray" technology helps the scanner to see the real world instead of the matrix presented by an active Rootkit.
Customer concerns over changes to Windows Vista licensing that would limit a transfer of the license to only one machine have moved Microsoft to revise the operating system licensing policy.
Microsoft said today it has changed the retail license terms for Vista so that customers now may uninstall the OS from one machine and install it on another as many times as they want. The new terms do away with limitations on the number of new devices to which the license can be transferred.
Full Story (http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,127741-page,1/article.html)
PrntRhd
11-02-2006, 11:00 PM
The pressure of upset potential customers does have some effect over at MS after all.
:)
Variable
11-03-2006, 10:14 AM
This is only for retail full versions I believe. If you buy your OS pre-installed you cannot move it to another machine. So if you plan on doing this make sure you buy a full retail copy. The upgrade version details look a bit complex. Whether they follow the same rules as the full version it is hard to say from what I read on MS's site.
PrntRhd
11-03-2006, 10:27 AM
From what I have read, all the Vista OEM versions will still be locked to the PC hardware similar to OEM XP with no portability.
Just be certain to get the right version as the number of versions is greater and the costs have increased. The lowest priced version does not do anything to warrant an upgrade at all.
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