Do I have a doozie for you!

[cantoo]

Just last night I got a hold of a windows xp professional cd to load into my computer. Before I go on with my horror story, let me start with my specs.
P4 1.5 ghz
P4ITA2 MB
128 rambus
Intel modem
40 gig HD@7200 rpm
AvanceAudio97 sound
GeForce2 MX 400 2 nvidia card
Win 98 SE

Well I followed instructions and downloaded xp pro. As my new desktop appeared I found all of my original programs were not on the new desktop. Stored away in my c drive. So I made shrtcuts to most of them but not all program files could be restored, some was either missing, corrupt, or needs reinstalling and the one's need reinstalling I can't seem to find the file for it. I want my computer to do one thing, play games over the internet with mininimal lag. I know the professional is for business type use, but I got this for free, I wasn't gonna pass it up. Now I have an issue with my modem. It isn't digitally signed meaning not recommended for this OS. But it was the only one I have so I downloaded the driver for it and got it to work under windows 2000 parameters. I use to have a ping of 175-250 with servers near my home. Now I get a flux of 225-900. Furthermore my video card doesnt support opengl. But i was a step ahead, I thought maybe I needed to download detonator for it because it seem to work for me when I had win98se. It doesnt work. No more opengl, just direct3D. All I want is a cheap solution before I do the obvious which is go out and buy a modem compatible with winXP pro or decide to relaod my win98se again.(this case I will need to buy me a win98se full because I dont have my original copy) Which then I have other questions for this. Will I be able to load a win98se after I just loaded win XP pro? And which is the best modem out there for winXP pro? My modem is running at 49.6 kbps. That's the number it gives me evrytime I place my mouse over the icon. Shouldn't it be closer to 56 kbps.? I believe this maybe the case for my ping jumping around so much. I probably need a new modem. But I'm wondering could it be anything else like a setting I didn't do or a button I didn't push before I start shelling out for my things. Any help would be most aprreciated. Thank you all in advance.


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[rond36]

cantoo, Did you upgrade or do a clean install of Win XP? Is your Win XP CD full or upgrade version. 49.6k is a very good connection for a dialup MODEM. The FCC limits dialup to 53k and it is limited further by line quality. Other than that I can't help much I haven't had a dialup MODEM in my systems for over a year and a half. Don't even have one. If I found that I needed one(hope it never happens) I would have to buy one. I have a eVga GeForce2 MX 400 Nvidia card in my Athlon system and it supports openGL in Win XP I don't know why yours wouldn't. You may need to remove your Video adapter from device manager reboot let windows install standard VGA drivers than install the detonator drivers. Leaving the icons off the desktop is normal for Win XP. If you want the standard icons like IE, my network places, and my computer. Right click on the desktop choose "properties" choose "desktop" tab choose "customize desktop" choose "general" tab at the top of the page tick all four boxes and at the bottom un-tick the box asking if you want your icons to disappear in 60 days. If you want the quick launch icons Right click the blue taskbar at the bottom of the desktop choose toolbars click on quick launch.

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[cantoo]

We'll when I put it in my computer, I wanted to multiboot it. unfortunatley, I didn't know how to make a primary partition and a secondary one. Instead I thought if I just made a new folder in my c drive when I was running win98se with, I would point my xp pro to there. Thats what I did. So I believe it didn't work. Don't know whether this is a clean install or upgrade. Now you say 49.6 is actually fast? If so, why do I get very bad lag now when I didn't before? Anyone can answer this question. I'm gonna try your solution for my opengl problem. Thx.

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[sea69]

hi,


regarding your programs on C Drive; that's where they're supposed to be because you had installed them on a DIFFERENT operating system-(win9x/winME)-

For most programs you will also need to install them on the winXP partition, then you will be able to share the same program and files from both partitions from either operating system.

**as long as your winXP install was FAT32, not NTFS.**

Here's an example, I am dual booted to win98se/winXP Pro- and while MS Works- (works) - in win98, it does not in winXP. This is because I have not installed it in winXP, I can "see" the works folders but can't do anything with them unless I boot to win98 and convert them to WORD.....

as for your modem, as rond indicates- as long as it's working ok, leave it alone. My PCTEL (cheapie) modem is incorrectly identified by winXP however it works- (I use it for faxing purposes).. key point is it WORKS, so I leave it alone too.

My OpenGL in winXP looks like this (http://seanweb1.homestead.com/files/openGL.jpg), my card is a riva TnT 2 nividia model 64 , so your vid card is a bit better than mine- (in theory)

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rond36 has answered the rest


EDIT- I had not seen this last post of yours before I posted this.

You should always have operating system installed on SEPERATE partitions, you will need to start over, partition, If you need win9x still install it first, then install winXP- personally I see no need for win98- winXP has worked so well.

If you only want winXP, then just install it without dual boot, but remember you will loose all programs/data you now have in win98.


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[This message has been edited by sea69 (edited 04-26-2002).]

[cantoo]

I have 3 questions now. Is it possible someone can give me exact direction on how to remove my video adaptor from my device manager for my video card? two, how did you get to that opengl screen sea69? and three, you said I can start over and make a new partition. How does that work?(if you can be very specific, it would sure help) Will I still need a copy of win98se in order to do this?


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[sea69]

I have 3 questions now. Is it possible someone can give me exact direction on how to remove my video adaptor from my device manager for my video card?


#1) click start>> right click on My computer>> left click properties>> in System Properties click Hardware TAB>> click Device Manager>> expand the + sign under "Display Adapters">> click on yours, and then click the RED "X" at top to remove it.

reboot, windows will find and reinstall it.

two, how did you get to that opengl screen sea69?


#2) that is using SiSoftSandra (http://www.sisoftware.demon.co.uk/san_dem/html/dload.htm)- there is a free edition.

and three, you said I can start over and make a new partition. How does that work?(if you can be very specific, it would sure help) Will I still need a copy of win98se in order to do this?

#3) follow rond's link on fdisking.

or do a search here on pcguide for that.

additionally, as I mentioned above, if you only want winXP and not a dual boot, you won't need to repartition, just reinstall winXP and wipe out win98. If you do want win98, YES- you will need the win98 CD.

remember: **ALL DATA CURRENTLY IN WIN98 WILL BE LOST**


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[This message has been edited by sea69 (edited 04-26-2002).]

[rond36]

Is your copy of Win XP full or upgrade version. If it is an upgrade version do not fdisk or format because you will not have an operating system to reinstall!
When you pointed Win XP to your folder on C drive it installed as an upgrade because it can't be installed in a folder on a partition that is occupied by another operating system. You may be able to uninstall win XP and have Win 98 back but I doubt it will be the same as you left it! More than likely to get 98 back you will need to reinstall it and you would need to buy a full copy. If you still want to duel boot you will need a full version of Win 98 and you will need to Fdisk and format click on the top link in my signature for complete instructions. Be sure to read the cautions before proceeding! After deleting all your partitions Create a primary DOS partition when asked if you want to use all the space on the drive choose no when it asks how much you want to use type in 50% than create an extended Dos partition use all remaining space on drive you will be prompted to create logical drives in the extended partition use the whole partition this should already be there in bytes if not type in 100%. Before you exit Fdisk be sure to set the primary partition active. Now you will have C: 20GB and D: 20GB and your CD drive(s) will be E: and maybe F:. Follow the links below for instructions on how to setup the duel boot. After you install both operating systems you will need to install all of your applications in each system. For your MODEM problem you may be able to find an utility that will tweak your RWIN and MTU settings but you should get the operating system sorted out first.

How to multi-boot Windows XP (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/gettingstarted/multiboot.asp)
Microsoft Expert Zone Multi-booting made easy (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/columns/russel/september10.asp)
MSKB How to multi-boot Windows XP (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q306559)
Sea what version of Works are you running. I use both works 4.5(Works Suite 99) and Works 6.0(works Suite 2002) in Win XP and they both run fine.

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[iisbob]

If you do an upgrade, as rond pointed out-your main system folder will be overwritten { c:\windows )-if you wanted to keep both operating systems you can install the os's in two different partitions ( the preferred way ), install the two in the same partiton just in different folders; ie c:\windows and c:\windows2

However, you can use an upgrade disc without a previous operating system in use. Just make sure you have a previous window's disc handy to insert when the current install asks you for a valid version of windows to upgrade from. Not sure if you can use a restore disk to do this, since it's a propietary image from a retailer.

Yopu really didn't specify if this was an an actual upgrade or a full copy of XP-if it's the full version then you need to FORMAT/FDISK your drive to do a clean install-don't worry about your old 98 install. If it's an upgrade version, you're not gonna be able to use it without some means of being able to point it towards you previous version of windows.


It'll help matters here immensely if you can clarify just what version of XP you have, and wether or not you also have a copy of windsows' 98.





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[cantoo]

I have no win98se cd. I have the full version of winxp professional. I think the reason why my games and my opengl doesn't work is because it isn't in my add/remove menu. It's only in my c drive. I don't really know if this is the problem. The thing is I spent hours and hours downloading these files. I used dlexpert to hold these files intact so whenever I need to download again, it's there. The problem is my dlexpert was wiped out once I loaded xp. Please don't tell me I need to download everything from scratch again? Please tell me theres a way for me to reinstall these files? I tried looking into these files to reinstall, I haven't a clue which file it is. Most likely I will keep xp and reinstall everything one by one. But it would really help if anyone else knows an easier way. i told you it was a doozie. I really appreciate all of your time for responding to me. Thanks again.

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oh, one more thing, these games work when I go into the server, it's just I get bad lag and I can't use opengl.

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[sea69]

go get partition magic 7 , save what you have, and create another partition and do a clean install of winXP onto the NEW partition you have created.

Then, after you winXP install goes correctly you can access these files on the original partition from within XP.

When you're done you can just use partition magic again to delete the old partition.

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[randyrhoads1981]

Dont want to post here without some help..sounds very worried about loosing data/games, need to get some sort of plan for backing up ya data and installation files. Especially if your downloading them on a dialup connection. By means of a CDRW or extra hardrive as a slave. Sea's answer is all the chance you have of getting anything saved unless you connect a "formated" slave hardrive and copy what you can on there. Or buy a burner and backup before you go farther. BUT if all the games are installed and you never saved the installation files then no go anyway unless all the games needed files to run are in one single folder. If you dont have or cant afford a slave hardrive/CD burner then id suggest this time to partition that hardrive with 80% set aside for the Windows install (C) and the rest for data backup. Format both before installing Windows and after the install you will notice you will have a C drive and a empty D drive, save all installation files to the D drive for backup to CDR later when you can. Same goes for anything you wish to keep. When you get the burner later when you have 700MB of data on the D drive save that to CDR and empty D out and so on. After the XP install, if ya have any problems with drivers check out www.driverzone.com (http://www.driverzone.com)

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[stefanus]

Cantoo, I know nothing about nothing, but the word doozie in one of my languages (I am a Euro/African, Sindebele/Zulu)it means close as in close to you, so ! you are getting there> (Usless information you mabe do not need, only encouragement?)
Stefanus

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[cantoo]

Originally posted by stefanus:
Cantoo, I know nothing about nothing, but the word doozie in one of my languages (I am a Euro/African, Sindebele/Zulu)it means close as in close to you, so ! you are getting there> (Usless information you mabe do not need, only encouragement?)
Stefanus

[This message has been edited by stefanus (edited 05-18-2002).]

hahahaha...doozie is just a slang i picked up, didn't know if I even spelled it right, but thanks for the info. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

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