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Ken Thomas
02-23-2001, 12:50 PM
Well, it's me again. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

I'm curious to see if it is possible to, and if there is an interest in starting an on line study group on the topic of the four core areas of the Windows 2000 MCSE. As I've indicated, I'm not sure it can be done, I've done it on other topics: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7171/index06.html.

The study materials I have on hand are the "Windows 2000 MCSE Study System" by Allan R. Carter, Exam Prep's "Windows 2000 Accelerated," "Windows 2000 Professional" by Mark Minase/Todd Phillips (not the second edition), "MCSE Training Kit Windows 2000 Professionsl," Exam Cram's "Networking Essentials." and "CNNA Jumpstart" by Patrick Ciccarelli/Christina Faulkner.

As you may know, I'm new at this, a novice, and definately not an expert, but I'm willing to struggle with others that have similar objectives in mind. My plan is to sit for the exam for Comptia's "Newtwork+" and Microsoft's "Windows 2000 Professional" by the end of May, hopefully before that, but I always like a little extra learning room. I don't like to fail. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

Well, that's about it, I also just attempted to enter the site I mentioned above "Creating Miracles", and my colors were lousy. It's still readable, and I'll try to find out what is the problem there. At any rate, check it out, and if your interested let me know, and we'll work something out. It will have to be a group effort.

Thanks again, and best to all. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Paleo Pete
02-24-2001, 09:38 AM
Don't know why but the link goes to a page that says Geocities can't find it. Might be an older link that's no longer in existence, like my original one I had to redo after Yahoo bought them...GRRR...

An online study group sounds like a pretty good idea, might work out ok if it's pretty well setup. I don't know about Geocities, I haven't even looked, but Dreamwater (http://www.dreamwater.com) has a discussion board feature, and it works pretty well.

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kenja
02-25-2001, 05:59 PM
I've been a little surprised by the relative lack of interest in certifications other than the A+ at this site. Active certification discussion forums can be found here (http://boards.brainbuzz.com/default.asp) and here (http://www.mcsebraindumps.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl).

Charles Kozierok
02-25-2001, 06:13 PM
I'd like to see more discussion of certification here, and if there's anything I can do to assist, don't hesitate to ask, and I'll do what I can.

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4thandgoal
02-26-2001, 11:30 AM
Sounds good to me Ken. I am planning on taking the Network + as well (that is after the study material I ordered shows up). I would like to see some quality discussion about certs at Pc Guide. I feel that this board has some of the better technical advice around on hardware and software, so I think there is some natural synergy in creating a study group or more active cert boards here.

Charles Kozierok
02-26-2001, 11:32 AM
I personally would be interested in such an activity. Laugh at me if you will but I have no certs at all. I would like to aprticipate to learn more about what you folks studying are going through, with an eye to possibly using my material to create a study guide in the (rather distant) future.

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Paleo Pete
02-27-2001, 09:38 AM
Same here, I have no certifications...well, ok, I have a keychain that says "Certified Crazy Person" does that count?

I'd like to see it set up, I'd probably try and take some time to participate, I studied for A+ testing for over a year, and soon as I thought I was close to ready they changed the test, so now I have to start over, and as most of you may already know, I know almost nothing about ME and win2000, which are the basic focus of the new test...DOS/Win3.x have been dropped, and 95/98 are "beckground" subjects, at least from what I've read about the new test.

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Ken Thomas
02-27-2001, 09:39 AM
Me Again,

Thanks for the input folks,I'm in touch with three or four individuals that have shown an interest in the online study group. It's developing but is far from a done deal at this time. And ixl, I'd be very happy to be a part of developing an online discussion group here on PC Guide regarding certification or the certification process/struggles, and yes, some of the frustrations and disappointments along the way. Let me know what/how we might carry that out. The groups I've been a part of in the past were a regular scheduled time, with a specific topic. The link to the previous discussion group has been repaired and is http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7171/. I believe it will load properly now, and if you'd like a bit more information regarding me, just click on the Group Pics/Page, and I'm the group member Ken.

Kenja I've checked the links you mentioned, and have them bookmarked now, thanks for the help.

Paelo, the link has been repaired, and is funcitonal now (I hope) http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif. _ Also, I did check out the Dreamwater link and I'm checking into that, so much to do, and so little time to do it in.

4thandgoal, thanks for your input, I'd really be interested in what materials you are going to be using for the Network+. Also, I'd like any inputs you may have on the study group and it's formulation.

Well, I've taken enough of everyone's time. Thanks for the input and we'll see where it goes from here.
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4thandgoal
02-28-2001, 11:33 AM
Ken,

I plan on using the Exam Prep Network + book (if it every arrives) and a Cisco Networking Academy text book from a class I am taking. I think the study group would be a useful tool. I have never participated in an online study group, so I am unsure of what the structure should be. Would you meet online during the week or weekend or both? What about for those who have to miss the occasional class, will a record of the discussions be be archived at the site?

IXL,

You said you are running Unix. Have thought about a cert in Unix? SCO, IBM, and Sun all have certs for the various flavors of Unix they sell.

Paleo Pete,

I wish you had taken the old exam, because I did and passed. I still do not know my DMA from my DNA. The exam was honestly to easy. Most of the practice exams have tougher questions. I would encourage you to prepare for the new exam. I have read several of your post and feel that you certainly have the hardware knowledge, and with a little review of NT/Windows 2000 (or whatever they are calling it this week), you could master the new exam.

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Ken Thomas
02-28-2001, 12:53 PM
Hey 4thandgoal,

I hope you have a running thread on this. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif You mentioned two books you have on the Networking, if you were going to purchase one for the preparation of the Network+ exam, which would you go for? Also, the Network+ I saw on amazon.com is by Melissa Craft, is that the one you are talking about?

Thanks,

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4thandgoal
02-28-2001, 07:47 PM
Ken,

I am reviewing a copy of Exam Prep's Network + book tonight and will post back Thursday with more info.

Paleo Pete
03-01-2001, 06:15 AM
After thinking about htis it occurred to me that the discussion board such as the one used by the dreamwater sites wouldn't be as effective as a chat type setup. To use the discussion board you'd have to refresh the page to see what replies are there. I need to log on anyway, I'll check and see if they have a chat option as well, that would be the better way to go. If not I'll take a look around and see what I can find, several of the free webpage hosting services have options to add chat to your page. That would allow the page to automatically refresh after a certain time, like 15 seconds or so, and allow for real time intareaction between participants.

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stacyk
03-01-2001, 03:15 PM
I'm planning to get my A+ by June & then move on to my MCSE. Which I know is going to be a lot of work, I've got the ultimate motivation, I hate the job i'm in & my boss, & as soon as I pass A+ I can quit & temp until I find something IT based. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

So I'll hopefully be joining in the study group soon.

Stacy

4thandgoal
03-02-2001, 03:59 PM
Paleo Pete,

Check out intranets.com . I have a membership to one of thier sites and I noticed the site has instant messaging (although I have not used it). They also have forums thier. Let me know what you think.

Ken,

I have looked through Exam Prep's Network + by Craft, Poplar, Watts, and Willis (sounds like a law firm), and I believe it is good place to start prepartions for the exam. You may want to read some of the remarks posted on amazon (or your favorite web book company)about the book. I also am using Cisco System's First Year Networking Academy book. It is an ok text. I just say ok, because the web site that goes with book is much better (you have to be enrolled in thier academy to gain access to the site. check with a local community/technical/junior college to see if they have a Cisco program in your area, it is an excellent tool to use in obtaining hands on training).

Stacyk,

I feel ya. I know what it is like to be in a position that you do not like. I wish the best of luck in search for tech success.

Ken Thomas
03-03-2001, 12:09 PM
Hello again,

I spoke with the administrator of a chat room site regarding the use of one of his rooms for discussions, and he said that would be fine. The room is located at http://www.nextek.net/appalachianman/cave.html. (http://www.nextek.net/appalachianman/cave.html) Anyone interested in doing this please send me an email, or post here the times you feel might work best for your schedule. As I've said before, I don't know how this will evolve, but we never know until we try.

Oh, 4thandgoal, I did look again at the book reviews on amazon.com, and plan to order the book today. Thanks. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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4thandgoal
03-06-2001, 11:56 AM
Ken and all others,

I looked at the site Ken, and well, how do I put this, it is rather different. What about creating our on site? I have researched few "free" sites and have actualy created a page at www.100megsfree3.com/studyonline (http://www.100megsfree3.com/studyonline) . For some reason it is green, but I can work out the kinks later. I have found some providers such as coolboards.com that provide message forums and I have found chat software also we load onto the site. I know nothing about developing a site, but I can learn. Given my schedule, it will take a little time for me to work towards developing a site, but it can be done. What do you think? This is your brain child, but I would be more than happy to collabrate with you and everyone else to develop something useful.

Paleo Pete
03-07-2001, 08:51 AM
I thought the "Cave" link was a bit on the different side too...was going to check out a discussion sometime, and promptly forgot, now I'll have to wait and look again later...

4thandgoal: Well, it does look a bit green...but that can be worked out, no big problem.

Let's keep on looking for good ideas, sooner or later it'll gel...

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Ken Thomas
03-07-2001, 11:31 PM
Hello everyone,

Doesn't it aggrivate you when you type out a post and submit it,and you get the error message, and you had forgotten to save the typed post somewhere, and now it has disappeared, and you get to start over. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Well, Paelo and 4thandgoald, I certainly agree with you about the "Cave" being less than what we'd like. I just couldn't find another resource at the time. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif Yep, 4thandgold, that site is "green," however, as Paelo said, that can be adjusted. I've been discussing this with a web designing friend of mine, and perhaps she can teach me enough, or send me somewhere to get enough information to be of help to you in establishing the site.

My plans at the moment are to sit for the Win2K Professional exam around April 6th, so, everyone knows what I"ll be up to. Again everyone, thanks for your suggestions and interest in getting this off the ground. It will take time, but it can be done, and I do believe it will be of benefit to those that participate in both the design of the project, and participate in the end result of our efforts. Thanks! (btw, I'm saving it before I submit it this time. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/cool.gif

HA,HA, it did it again, but I had it saved! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

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Paleo Pete
03-08-2001, 08:24 AM
When you notice or expect the Internal Server Error monster to attack, copy the post ontp the clipboard, and you can easily paste it into another post.

I meant to run the green site through an HTML editor, and didn't have time yesterday, and may not today either, since I'm going to be trying to beat the weather and get some grass mowed...but I'll try and get it done soon, how about a plain white background? Shouldn't be a problem. I already have the page saved as a text file, (View\Source) and will see what I can do. Shouldn't take but a few minutes, and I'll change it back to a text file and figure out a way to get it to you.

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Ken Thomas
03-08-2001, 09:13 AM
Hey Paleo,

I'd have to have a 'snorkel' to mow the grass right now. And just think, by August, it will be like a desert. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif Thanks for looking at the site that 4thandgold has created. Oh, and yes, I too think the white background is best. My old eyes need "whitebackground" with "bold black letters."

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Paleo Pete
03-09-2001, 06:31 AM
Paris TX, yep, know what you're talking about, I'm about 4 hours southeast of you.

Reworked the page, gave it a slightly off-white background, dropped in into my geocities site so you can take a look. It is not linked anywhere, only way to get there is through this post. It will be deleted in a few days, I just put it there so you can take a look. Click View then Source and you can copy it into notepad, change the extension to html and upload it to your site, it should stay as is. You'll need to change the filename back to the original too, I used "study.htm". To change to a solid white background, change the background color code to #FFFFFF.

I'll be looking around later today for some sort of chat program to add, and see what I can come up with. Some are available on the net, but I haven't looked into them.

Your Reworked Site (http://www.geocities.com/paleopete/study.htm)

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Paleo Pete
03-09-2001, 06:46 AM
OK, update...That was quicker than I thought, took a look at geocities and they have something called Webmeeting that you can add to your page. I copied and pasted the code into the above link, so it should work. We'll leave it there for now until we can try it out and see how it works. You have to register a user name, I would suggest the same one you use here, and install webmeeting.

Don't copy the page yet, the way I described above, that will copy webmeeting also, I'll redo it later and remove it if necessary. Let's see how it works, then if you like it you can create a geocities account, it's free, and do your own page or whatever. Nothing to it. I'll try to be online about 8PM tonight, Central time, and maybe some of you can show up and give it a test run. I'll check here first, and will try to check during the day, and if someone has a better time, we'll try to get it together.

To use it just click the green Start button, (green again...) and it brings up the registration page, fix up a user name and install the program, shouldn't take long. I haven't installed it yet, didn't want to take time to do it right now, I'll do that later in the day.

Maybe this will be easier than we might have thought, takes about 5 minutes to set the thing up...nothing to it.

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Charles Kozierok
03-09-2001, 08:28 AM
I can't personally use fancy web-interface software most of the time. What about IRC? You can access it from any machine, or use a Web client, and I am experienced at IRC. Would there be interest in setting up an IRC chat channel on PC hardware issues, for real-time discussions?

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Paleo Pete
03-09-2001, 09:25 AM
See your topic in Announcements, and take a look at the page, see what you think. If you can't use it, we'll figure something else out. IRC may be an option...I'll check back later in the day and see what's happening.

And thanks for dealing with the incident I emailed you about earlier. That's the only one so far I thought merited calling you in, usually a simple warning and request for consideration is sufficient, never have had any further problems. This one was the exception.

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4thandgoal
03-09-2001, 03:28 PM
Pete,

The only problem with Webex is it only allows four people to meet at one time. I like the concept a lot, but it would need to accommodate more than four people at a time. The IRC may be the way to go. I will keep searching until we can make it gel.



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Paleo Pete
03-09-2001, 09:26 PM
4 people? That is a problem...didn't know that, they didn't have any info about it, just a notice that it was available for use on peoples' websites. IRC should work, sounds ok to me...I can be on there in 2 or 3 minutes if anyone happens to be online right now...a bit after 8 PM IRC Help (http://here.http://www.irchelp.org/) has downloads and help links if anyone needs them.



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Charles Kozierok
03-10-2001, 08:27 AM
Folks, I did set up a chat room; see the Announcements forum for details. Of course, if you want to set something else to, by all means.

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thorkunnen
04-21-2009, 12:21 AM
I have my A+ and am taking my Net+ test tomorrow. I used CBT Nuggets and
A+, Network+, Security+ Exams: In A Nutshell book. It's a pretty good book that fairly comprehensively covers all three certs. Mine's a bit tattered after alot of use.

PrntRhd
04-21-2009, 12:32 AM
Best not to post into old threads, this one is from 2001!

thorkunnen
04-21-2009, 12:35 AM
Yikes! Good point. I'll try to stay within five years of the post from now on.

PrntRhd
04-21-2009, 12:36 AM
4-6 months is usually the advice we give around here, older than that usually has the OP having solved the issue or given up.