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Paleo Pete
09-24-2000, 11:53 PM
Thought this might be a good one to post, some of you might not be aware that Real Player, Netscape and Net Zip send info back "home" about your surfing habits.

Take a look at the Gibson Research (http://grc.com/default.htm) homepage.

They also feature a very good hard drive utility called SpinRite. I've used an early version, and it works quite well. Can't wait to get my hands on the buck$ to get the new version.

Some good info there also concerning the security of your computer while on the Internet. Check out the Sheilds Up link and see how secure your machine really is...

Hope some of you can get some useful info from this site. I sure did. I no longer have Real Player on my machine, and never did have Netscape to begin with. Or Net Zip.

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jajm
10-14-2000, 02:52 PM
my computer was spontaneously rebooting CONSTANTLY (sometimes twice a day!!!!). after i installed zonealarm firewall (recommended on the shields up site) it stopped doing it. well, it did it once, but that's all.

re: realplayer-- what do you use instead?

Paleo Pete
10-14-2000, 11:24 PM
About the only thing I use right now is Windows Media Player, not the greatest but it works. Quicktime works well, but doesn't support all video formats. For MP3's I use Winamp, works great. Need to look around a bit for another video player, just haven't done it yet. Never have used Netscape or Net Zip, so didn't have to worry about those. Makes me wonder about other things though...what else "phones home" that we don't know about yet.

That's the primary worry about cookies. What info are the websites people visit collecting about our Internet use? How much info do they get as a result of cookies? How do I get cookies on my machine for sites I've never even heard of? Like doubleclick...sextracker...I haven't been to anything resembling a porn site in about a year I guess, and formatted my drive 3 months ago, so how do I wind up with cookies from sextracker EVERY time I look in my Temporary Internet Folders? And what the hell is doubleclick.net? How did I get its cookies? Delete them, use the net once or twice, they're right back...Makes you wonder huh...

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jajm
10-15-2000, 03:18 PM
yeah, i used to be so paranoid abt cookies and being tracked. then i decided: okay, big brother(s)! track me all you want! i've got nothing to hide! you want to know what sites i visit? get a life!! hah!! (but it still creeps me out, even if i'm pretending it doesn't.) when i first got this computer it was configured to ask me everytime if i was willing to accept a cookie, everytime someone tried to give me one. but then a friend was over and the query popped up and she said: "this is driving me crazy, let's get rid of it" and she clicked a box that said "don't show me this message again" and now i just get cookies all the time, automatically. oh well. i'm sure there's a way to set things so they can't cookie you w/o your knowledge. SOMEONE no doubt has written software to do this. but it's like one of those things that everyone complains abt but we're mostly too tired to do anything abt.

Paleo Pete
10-16-2000, 02:15 AM
Earlier versions of Internat Explorer had settings in Internet Options that would allow no cookies, ask first, or accept without asking, but with 5.01 I can't find a setting anywhere. I had mine set so that it wouldn't accept cookies at all for a long time, but after upgrading to 5.01 I have to let it save them. It's a bit of a nuisance sometimes, for instance without cookies you can't set yahoo mail to remember your user name when you log on, but I have it set that way now anyway...I just go in and delete all of 'em periodically, and I keep my temporary internet files on the smallest settng so I don't accumulate 64MB of them...that's the default setting...

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StoneDragon
10-16-2000, 05:53 PM
WOW... I never noticed that the cookie option was missing on the new IE! Talk about sneaky.

Doubleclick is one of the companies that supplies all of those nice banners that you see plastered all over every site you visit. They're obviously interested in tracking your surfing habits so that they can sell more banners to folks wanting to advertise. Sextracker (I believe) is one of those page counter/statistics scripts that people run on their (usually porno) sites. I often wonder how even people who don't surf porn end up with those on their computer. You could look in your Grandma's cookie jar and most likely find sextracker cookies.

Paleo Pete
10-16-2000, 10:34 PM
I'm using IE 5.01, and the cookie option is not there, so it's been gone for quite a while. Don't remember if it was available with 4.01, I used it for a long time, my favorite version. Still have it on CD and next time I have to format and reload Windows, I think I'll go back to that version. Never had a minute's trouble with it, and I've installed it from the same CD on every computer in my family. As far as I know none of them have had any trouble either.

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Peripherals
10-18-2000, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Paleo Pete:
Thought this might be a good one to post, some of you might not be aware that Real Player, Netscape and Net Zip send info back "home" about your


Note that the problem is not RealPlayer (although there's no technical reason it couldn't do the same thing), but RealDownload.

I just use WinAmp. It's really truly free, and it kicks the llama's ass.

Rick R.


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Paleo Pete
10-18-2000, 10:31 PM
Slight oversight on my part.

And who do you think makes Real Player? A quick look at the home page, www.real.com (http://www.real.com) shows a link at the bottom that says "RealNetworks Privacy Policy." It opens with a Real Networks logo.

Here is a short excerpt from the "Legal Notice/Terms of Use":

Copyright (c) RealNetworks, Inc. and/or its licensors, 1995-1999, all rights reserved. RealNetworks, RealAudio, RealPlayer, WebActive, and the RN logo are registered trademarks of RealNetworks, Inc. RealVideo, RealMedia, the Real logo, the Daily Briefing logo, and Timecast are trademarks or service marks of RealNetworks, Inc. Before using any RealNetworks Logo or trademark, please review RealNetworks' Trademark Usage Policy.

When I first looked at the Gibson Research webpage it was quite a bit shorter, and I thought the reference to Real Networks referred to Real Player, since that was the only software I was aware of that they made. I don't think Real Download was specifically named. I wasn't aware of the more recent update of the page, but associated Real Networks with Real Player, which I decided not to put back on my computer just to be on the safe side. The references to Real Networks at that time were basically general ones, and only Netscape's Smart Download and Net Zip being specifically named, if I remember correctly. In my original post I simply copied the link from my Favorites, rather than going to the site.

Actually I'm glad I took another look tonight, and checked out the updated version of the page. I'll still refuse to install Real Player, or anything else offered by Real Networks, AOL, or Netscape.

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Peripherals
10-19-2000, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Paleo Pete:
And who do you think makes Real Player


Yes, that's why I specifically mentioned that RealPlayer could do the same thing, if it were coded to do so. I just didn't want people to succumb to FUD about a product that was not specifically accused of having this problem.

What's disturbing is that _any_ program can do the same thing, given that most folks run their software while connected to the Internet. I'm not so worried about stuff like Real products, NetZip, Netscape etc, since at least those are _explicitly_ designed for Internet operation. The threat there is obvious.

I'm a little more worried about other software -- anti-virus, utilities, productivity applications -- using unique IDs to track my documents, or the viruses I get on my computer, or the current size of my hard disks, etc. and transmitting that to someone. Programs that do not depend on an explicit Internet connection. A program like that could operate for _years_ without its suspicious data exchange being detected. With encryption, the software could transmit really sensitive data without any chance that routine packet sniffing would pick it up.



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Paleo Pete
10-19-2000, 10:42 PM
Good point, I've wondered for a while about some of the programs more commonly used, at least the Internet based ones. Juno, fo rinstance, occasionally pops up a box telling me Juno needs to collect some information from my computer before I can connect to the internet. If I click no, it shuts down, so to use the net at all I'm forced to let it happen. I have emailed Juno twice, and after over 2 months, have recieved no reply whatsoever. Not even a note telling me my email was recieved...The minute I can afford to pay $20 a month for a local ISP I will certainly do it, and Juno will never come within 50 feet of my computer again.

I had dotnow at one time, but uninstalled it because I thought they had shut my account down, then found out their servers puked for a week or two, and when I tried to install it again I found out I still had registry entries all over the place it didn't remove, and I couldn't connect to dotnow because it thinks I still have the account set up, due to the registry keys. I had a problem with it locking up my machine, and they never answered me either...But at least they didn't try to get information from my computer that I can't see or find out any details about.

But what about websites and the cookie issue? How many of those track every person that drops by? It could potentially be a very serious security issue. after re reading the Gibson Research page, it seems Real Download sends information back in the form of a plain everyday cookie, that is not even remotely secure, and contains names, IP addresses and email addresses. Makes me wonder if I should disable cookies again...

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givingmood
10-21-2000, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by Paleo Pete:
Thought this might be a good one to post, some of you might not be aware that Real Player, Netscape and Net Zip send info back "home" about your surfing habits.

Take a look at the Gibson Research (http://grc.com/default.htm) homepage.

They also feature a very good hard drive utility called SpinRite. I've used an early version, and it works quite well. Can't wait to get my hands on the buck$ to get the new version.

Some good info there also concerning the security of your computer while on the Internet. Check out the Sheilds Up link and see how secure your machine really is...

Hope some of you can get some useful info from this site. I sure did. I no longer have Real Player on my machine, and never did have Netscape to begin with. Or Net Zip.

mindhumm
10-21-2000, 02:14 PM
Hey folks, a newbie here. This is an incredible site-thanks Charles, and everybody else as well.

Steve Gibson(http://grc.com/default.htm)has mentioned that he has been working with the people at LAVASOFT (http://www.lavasoft.de/) regarding spyware. Gibson offers OptOut on his site, and LAVASOFT offers AD-aware from their site(click Freeware). Evidently these programs search for and remove different types of spyware, and are both free.

By the way Charles, I found this site through Leo Laporte's favorites links.

guard1
10-27-2000, 07:33 PM
I hear you guys on the spyware issue. I'm not afraid of what kind of profile can be built around my day to day surfing. In fact, I kind of like the idea of ads customized for me. What I don't like is the fact that these companies like doubleclick aren't more forthcoming about what information they are collecting, how, and where it goes. I think that would eliminate most of the fears of users.

The answer on the user's part though, is two fold:

1)Read website privacy policies, software license agreements, readme files, etc. As mind-numbing as they may be, they usually will say what the software will do, and how. These developers just count on people either not reading the disclaimers, or that the users don't care.

2)Use your own good sense, remember that nothing is free, these "adware" programs and ad-supported websites run on information about us, the consumer. If you want privacy, be willing to pay for it.

BTW For cookies, I use Cookie Pal from Kookaburra. It allows me to see all cookies sent to my computer and specify what websites can and cannot set a cookie, I think it's worth its price at $15. I also like to use Zonealarm, because of its ability to control what programs can and cannot access the internet from my PC.

spondylolisthesis
10-28-2000, 04:36 AM
Try the advanced security and privacy update from microsoft for IE 5.5.

I've been using it now for a couple of weeks with no real problems. It has enhanced security settings that allow you to choose enable/disable/prompt for per session cookies, stored cookies, 3rd party cookies etc. Best of all, there are no repetitive and annoying prompts.

The only caveat is that some site's online ordering systems don't work unless you re-enable cookies to some degree, but other site's do.

That's no sweat though, as you don't have to reboot to make the changes. Just disable and enable as required.

There is also a .dat file in the cookie dir that stays at 16KB, so I don't have to mess with that either.

Here's the link. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/download/preview/privacy.htm

[This message has been edited by spondylolisthesis (edited 10-28-2000).]

Jerkymom
10-28-2000, 03:25 PM
When I bought my last modem there was a freebie software program included on the driver CD called "AdSubtract" that I decided to give a try. It blocks ads and cookies and is customizable to allow me to accept cookies from up to 5 sites I choose (i.e., vendors I deal with regularly that use cookies to store my profile info). I'm no expert with all this internet security stuff and I don't know how good the program is, but it does have one nice side effect. It kills those incredibly annoying banner ads on most pages and speeds up page loading significantly on my snail-slow crappy phone line connection. Even if it's not the greatest security option out there, it's worth it to me to not have to wait for all those ads to load. I like the sound option (which can be disabled) of hearing ads shot with a machine gun and cookies blasted with a cannon. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

AdSubtract is free for personal use and there are 2 retail versions with more security features and customizations available here: http://www.adsubtract.com/

A word of caution to users of free ISPs, however; blocking ads may not be allowed. Using AdSubtract would violate your user agreement and possibly incur monetary penalties!

Kim

Paleo Pete
10-29-2000, 12:51 AM
mom- I saw a post about ad killer programs not long ago on another forum. The person who posted the question was trying to do just that...Kill the ad banners on a free ISP program. The moderator informed the person that we were not there to assist people in illegal activity, and one of the so-called techs actually started flaming the moderator! He apparently only scanned the topic and thought the person was asking about programs such as the one you described, to cut the animated ad banners on webpages, which is not illegal, as far as I know. That's one of the reasons I'm here now instead of there...

I wonder about those programs sometimes too, especially Juno, which I'm using now since I can't afford $20 a month for a local ISP. Every couple weeks Juno pops up a message that it needs to "collect more data from your computer" before it can log on. It connects, sends and recieves email, and apparently sends some sort of info to Juno, which I can't see, and Juno refuses to answer my emails about this issue, and tell me what data they are collecting. I even emailed the President of the company, and it was NOT a nice note!

Now, in addition to the log on screen, with an animated banner, and the regular "always on top" ad banner, Juno is also adding pop up ads trying to get me to be stupid enopugh to BUY their internet service, which is the slowest pile of crap I've ever seen. It takes up to 1 1/2 minutes sometimes for the forum pages to load, and since I started typing this post I've had to redo 3 sentences due to the pop up ad I didn't know was there while I was typing. I feel like I'm using a 14.4 modem! Connected at 31,200, normal for here, any webpage should open in 10 seconds or less. Well, except maybe for the Micro$oft site...

I'm currently trying to get dotnow to work, it's not great, but at least it never tried to blatantly retrieve data from my computer that I can't see...I have waited over 2 months, and still no answer from Juno about WHAT data they are retrieving from my computer. So far, I haven't been able to get dotnow to work, and tonight I spent over an hour trying to reinstall it to see of of would log on. No dice...Even had to run scanreg and go through the longest registry repair I've ever seen. Dotnow locks up now during the installation, no matter what I try. I'm re-downloading the setup so I can try it again, and see if maybe it got corrupted somehow...

But the info Juno is collecting from my computer really worries me, since I have no idea what they are retrieving, and they refuse to tell me.

Thought this would be something others might want to know about, if they are considering a free ISP. I haven't seen one that can touch freewwweb since Juno gobbled them up. Only two have local dial up access from here anyway, Juno and dotnow...



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Jerkymom
10-29-2000, 01:04 AM
Pete: I definitely know where you're coming from! Had a lot of "customers" using freewwweb and it was great, but now they're having the same problems you are with Juno http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/mad.gif and they can't afford the $20 either. Most are senior citizens on fixed incomes and that money has to be spent on food and medicine. I'll check out dotnow for them, but unless there's a local number here, guess they're in the same boat with you for now. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

I hope I didn't give anyone the impression I was promoting AdSubtract to kill the regular "always on top" ad banners on the free ISPs, because in reading the fine print of either Juno or NetZero's user agreement, I saw something about them being able to charge your telephone bill with a $50-$60 fee for disabling it! Like you, I don't think that's what AdSubtract does, but I wanted to clarify that point just in case.

May I ask you a "how to" question, please? How do you type the URLs so they look like the ones you did in the post below?
http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000048.html

Thanks,
Kim

Paleo Pete
10-29-2000, 10:34 PM
mom I'll put it in quotes, maybe it'll work, but if not, just click Edit and you'll see how it's typed. You can't edit my post, but you can look at it and see how I type the links.

Here's a link to my site:

"Computer Information Links"

What you do is type the first half of the UBB code, the link, put a half bracket behind it, then the name, then the other half of the UBB code

[ url=http: //www.geocities.com/paleopete/ ] Computer Information Links [ /url]

Added somne spaces that time, so maybe you'll be able to see how I typed it.

OK, the spaces worked, Hope that helps...Changed the top one, added a space only after the = in the first UBB bracket. Maybe it'll show up too this time...
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[This message has been edited by Paleo Pete (edited 10-29-2000).]

Jerkymom
10-29-2000, 11:43 PM
Thanks, Pete! I'll try it out next time the opportunity arises.

sea69
01-16-2001, 10:44 AM
well Pete http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

While going thru back topics I saw this about 'cookies', and not being able to set the level on them as with older versions of IE.. here's how u do it in IE5.01: tools,internet options, Security TAB, click "Custom Level" scroll and u will see the seetings for cookies as they used to be. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif

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Neovox
02-23-2001, 12:21 AM
Ok, let's all remember that the "internet" is/was a US Department of Defence project for one. Second, make no mistake that it is very easy to track your online whereabouts from the time you call the ISP to their logs and so one. If you want to see how secure/insecure your particular connection is go to www.astalavista.com (http://w.astalavista.com) and click on privacy check. You may even see the contents of your HD! One way you can get some measure of invisibility is by using 3rd party proxy services like www.safeweb.com (http://www.safeweb.com) (but then again who are these guys--really). These will mask your IP and do some other types of blocking (check matrix on astalavista).

As for spyware. It sucks! You can use a program called opt-out (don't remember the url right now but should be able to find on search) to scan your reg and HD for spyware. I just try not to use known spyware, but then again who really knows what is and isn't?

Is it 1984 again already? Damn, I must have hit snooze.


[This message has been edited by Paleo Pete (edited 02-24-2001).]

bassman
02-23-2001, 09:47 AM
Deep stuff here gang. Glad to see this topic come back around. I seem to remember when I was a kid that THEY told us that someone could watch what we did through our TV. It was such a powerful idea that it even showed up in a comedy movie where the news caster and studio people were watching a couple go at it on their couch. I remember there being discussions about some sort of screen you could put up to prevent unwanted spying. THEY also told us that we could be watched from satellites as they could now read the name on a golfball. Check out http://terraserver.com/, see if you can find your house. I can. Because of the sensitivity and power of these sats, we as mere mortal civilians are limited as to how close we can see. The idea of BIGBROTHER has been around for ever and the fear that fuels the controversy of it is adapted to every new technology that comes along. I'm not saying it's not a reallity, just that "If you don't have anything to hide, then don't be afraid". The only practical reallity the all this SPYING is "Capitalism". We got a buck, they want it! As far as I am concerned, if they want to check to see if my hat is on straight, they gotta look through a skidmark to do it. I hope this topic keeps going because I love this stuff. Maybe more appropriate in another heading at this point.
Frank

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sea69
02-23-2001, 11:15 AM
hi

bassman.. the above links doesn't go anywhere. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

Pete- did you see above post of mine re: changing settings for cookies in IE ??

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bassman
02-23-2001, 02:05 PM
Sorry about the link. Not sure whats going on. It was working from my Favorites and not from the browser, now I can't get it to go at all. Maybe one of those AOL things, HA HA http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I know the url is good, must be a problem with the site right now. Keep trying as it's pretty cool to see your house from space if you never have before.
Could we expect to see a response on this from our Mentor, Charles?
I would be interested in the opinion of an old hacker like your self.
Frank

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Paleo Pete
02-24-2001, 09:36 AM
IT won't work because it has a comma behind it. RAther than edit the post and fix it I'll repost it.

TerraServer (http://terraserver.com/)

Yes, Sea I saw it long ago, and checked. Now I know where they put it, thanks.

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Rick
02-25-2001, 06:52 AM
This Idea may not be directly related to this thread.
But Iíve been seeing a number of extra copies of netscape running in program manager after visiting a few sites. ( With Adís and banners)
The extra copy does not display a window.
It is listed in the program manager when I hit Ctrl-Alt- Del.

The strangest thing is.
That I didnít notice the extra copy until a site I visit added some adís and netscape started to freeze or refused to load the page .
I closed netscape . Then checked and the second copy was there and running but nothing displayed on the screen.

If double click can grab info.
Think about what an AD company could do with a script

Paleo Pete
02-25-2001, 07:34 AM
I hate those...it's bad enough when it pops up so you can see it on top of the page you actually want to see, but I keep my toolbar hidden, and occasionally find out I have a dozen windows running, and half are blank screens, never knew about them.

I finally learned to check every few minutes and close the extras. Oh, and it's not related to Netscape, I use IE and it does the same. It's the websites, sending you to other sites that usually pay them for "click throughs". So they don't give you a choice, their HTML and scripts force you to a page you don't have any interest in so they can make 2Ę

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Rick
02-25-2001, 09:57 AM
Pete.

Where I keep finding a second copy of Netscape without a window open is after hitting Ctrl.Alt,Del.
To end a task.
After shutting down netscape because it wonít load a page or looks as if the web isnít sending anything across.

At times the status line shows Connect Host (AD server name ) contacted. Waiting for a reply...
In fact as I type this reply in my word processor with Netscape running in the back ground it is doing the very same thing.

The DUN indicator shows nothing happening ( No data transfer)
I closed netscape. Then Hit ctrl.Alt.del
There it is again. Another copy of netscape listed as being in Memory.
Strange ? Netscape 4.76 has only started doing this in the past few weeks.

herbert
02-25-2001, 07:30 PM
Pete had a good idea to post about this, the Gibson site is well worth a visit.

I got there a few months back and tested my shields. I found that my machine was spilling its guts on the net. Two shared network drives were visible together with the machine name and my user name.

That was the result of the DEFAULT network settings in Windows.

Specifically, the binding of Client for Microsoft Networks and File and Printer sharing to the TCP/IP>Dial-Up Adaptor, together with Netbios being enabled. Go to Gibson for the whole story.

Thanks to Gibson and ZoneAlarm, I reckon my machine is now about as secure as it can be.

Paleo Pete
02-26-2001, 09:21 AM
Rick: That's a strange one, if you haven't been to the Gibson Research page and checked the Spyware utilities, go have a look. That might be one answer. You might also have a different problem. Netscape does a couple of things I don't like much.
1. Makes something like 200 or more changes/additions to the Registry, and doesn't undo them if you uninstall, such as setting itself as default jpg viwer, people have uninstalled Netscape before and found that when they double click a picture, they get a message saying "Netscape.exe not found"...Netscape might be running as something other than a standard browser...
2. Netscape's Smart Download (is that the proper name for it?) does exactly what Spyware does. It connects to Netscape and sends info back about every file you download off the Internet. Try disabling it, if you can, and see if it still happens.

Otherwise, you might have installed some little shareware utility recently that "phones home" and it's connecting in the background. That's what this topic was all about in the first place.

I had a similar problem about a year ago, and Netscape wasn't involved, I've never used it, the only times I used it on other peoples' machines I didn't like it so I've stayed with IE. My machine would suddenly dial up in the middle of the night, or at Start Up, various unpredictable times. Never did figure out why, got a new motherboard and installed it and formatted and reinstalled windows about 2 weeks after it started.

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Rick
02-26-2001, 04:00 PM
Pete

I tracked back 3 weeks and the only thing I could find was the remainders of Netscape6.
And a couple of shareware programs I installed while I tried to find a new news group reader.
Netscape 6 was uninstalled after two days. As were all the news readers but one.

I gave up on it.
Formatted the Hard drivers and ran my Disaster Recovery disks.
I Love that Tape drive http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif
Everything is back to normal. Or as normal as it can be with windows.
Not to test for the spy ware

UPDATE: It didn't help. Netscape is still messing up.
After sending the reply above netscape wouldn't reload the page.
I give up.
if netscape is going to cause this much hassle it's time to retire it..



[This message has been edited by Rick (edited 02-26-2001).]

Paleo Pete
02-27-2001, 09:27 AM
For a good newsreader look up Free Agent. It works quite well, I used it for a good while, and it never gave me a bit of trouble. Should be available at most shareware sites.

I don't want to turn this into a Netscape slamfest, but the kind of problems you're having are not uncommon. Run a search through any good search engine, for the keywords "Why I hate Netscape" and you'll get some very interesting results. Keep in mind most are unintelligent rantings, but with a few minutes of looking you'll find about a half dozen or so that are very concise and informative, with specific references to the changes made in the registry, difficulties with both Netscape and IE fighting over who's default, email problems, and uninstallation issues.

One online acquaintance had to take his computer to the shop to confirm what I told him for 3 weeks, after tinkering with settings he had no business tinkering with, the shop finally gave up and recommended formatting and reinstalling, which he agreed to. They also told him do NOT put Netscape back on this machine...3 wweks later he was complaining about the same problems as before with Netscape...The shop refused to touch it again...

That's just one example. To be fair, many people use Netscape with no problems, and like it very well. It does, however have its drawbacks. IT's also one of the perpetrators that was the original focus of this topic. I recently found another very informative link about it, Privacy Suit Targets Netscape (http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,37435,00.html) which also has some info and links to the Real Player (http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,32459,00.html) issue. (Yes Real Player, not Real Download.) I'll be looking at those a bit later today, haven't read those through yet, might be some more good info there.

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Rick
03-01-2001, 12:29 AM
I also got to the site for a little checkup of my LAN here at home.
At least I got that correct.
Everything is Closed or stealth.
I gave it a try with all the nodes on line. Same results http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

I also found out what is the cause of netscape lockup.
The second copy in memory is a call with 4 threads. By Explorer

I've also noticed that a number of ad's are putting cookies on my server.

How far are these spyware people willing to go?

Paleo Pete
03-01-2001, 06:25 AM
I also found out what is the cause of netscape lockup.
The second copy in memory is a call with 4 threads. By Explorer.

That's the kind of registry entries I was referring to. Netscape sets itself as default jpg viewer, for instance, among other things. So Netscape is now trying to do something Explorer is supposed to do. Uninstalling only makes matters worse, Netscape doesn't undo all those 200 or so registry entries, so then you get error messages. Try to open a jpg picture, "Can't find netscape.exe". The only way to fix it is search the registry for every entry and delete it manually. AOL does basically the same thing. And screws up system files...often with AOL you have to reinstall Windows to fix it...

Cookies in your server from sites visited by other machines? I wouldn't have thought of that, but I suppose it's possible...they'll stop at nothing...

I wasn't positive, since I haven't had a network to check it on, but I thought as long as the server was closed off everything else should be too. That's good to know...

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Rick
03-01-2001, 01:16 PM
It's time for the annual D+C (dusting and cleaning )of this node (a clean install)

Before I do that.
Whatís the Most stable version of IE ?

I have never updated it.
I Have IE 5.00.2614.3500
Talk about revisions http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

Paleo Pete
03-02-2001, 05:13 AM
I like 4.01 and 5.01 best. Both have always worked well, I have a hard time deciding which to use. The 4.0 that's on the Win98 CD always gives me trouble, first thing I do is replace it with 4.01 or 5.01. If you have 5.01 now, save the installation file somewhere on the hard drive, CD or tape before formatting. I'm sure glad I did, when 5.5 was released they stopped posting earlier versions for download, and 5.5 was a barrel of worms, not just a can...You can also find copies of Earthlink or other CD's at resale shops and garage sales, and get different older versions from them. I'm running 5.00.2919.6307, it was downloaded as 5.01...that's what I named the folder I saved it in anyway...

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sea69
03-02-2001, 07:22 AM
Yes, I agree 100% with Pete on 5.01 version, I find it the most stable of the IE's.

It can be found on old cd installs of 'free-juno' too and you don't need to install juno just to get the browser...heh http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

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