e-mail forwarding

[Vic 970]

I have my own domain name & e-mail forwarding to my account with freeserve. I'd always thought that my e-mail addy was ******.freeserve & that the domain addy was just 'forwarded' to it, but it seems I am wrong as I have just found out that mail sent to my freeserve addy is refused by the server.

I have tried several ways to configure my accounts, but to no avail, it seems that the e-mail forwarding has blocked the freeserve account.

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Regards..,
Vic.

[Paul Komski]

Hi Vic. I've recently registered a domain name too. It took about 48hrs for everything to work properly. *****.freeserve looks odd; do you mean *****@freeserve.xxx

The forwarding part of it should be straightforward. For an eMail address at your domain say vic@vicsdomain.com you would set it up to forward to *****@freeserve.xxx Retrieving the mail from freeserve should be as normal.

Have other people been having this problem of rejected mail or is it just yourself trying to send yourself mail to check the thing out. If it is just the latter, have you modified your own POP/SMTP-mail account settings and have you tried sending from a webmail account like hotmail. If mail is rejected, what message does the webmaster send back to the sender?

Until the domain had been registered for about a day my own POPmail account wouldnt even send out mail, when it had the newdomain email addy as the sending address in OE (the pop and smtp settings were unchanged). It would remain in the outbox with an error until the time came when the mailserver recognised it as a valid addy.

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Take nice care of yourselves - Paul
"There are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots."

[Vic 970]

Hi Paul

I have had my own domain for nearly 2 years, never had a prob with it, but whilst checking out something else the other day I noticed that I couldn't send to my freeserve addy.

my fs addy is 'revi@fsnet.co.uk' now I have e-mail forwarding from my own domain name, which works fine, both incoming & outgoing. I also have an account at bt (payg) which also works fine.

I have always assumed that if someone sent an e-mail to me at 'revi@fsnet.co.uk' that I would recieve it, because my own domain is only forwarded to it. my freeserve site www.revi.fsnet.co.uk (http://www.revi.fsnet.co.uk) is masked but you can still get to it by using the fs url.

I have tried several configurations in outlook, had several e-mail addy's running from same account (into seperate inboxes etc.) all worked fine,
but get the following results with mail...,

from own domain name to bt.....ok :0
bt to own domain name......ok http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif
own domain to own domain..(to any of the inboxes I select)...ok http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif
bt to bt........ok http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

bt to fs..........fail http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif
own domain to fs...fail http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

must be something to do with the e-mail forwarding, but I don't know why. I assume that the e-mail forwarding 'blocks' the fs addy, but why doesn't it do this with the web site ? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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Definition of Upgrade "A means of introducing new bugs to a program to replace the ones that you have eventually found fixes for"

Regards..,
Vic.

[Paul Komski]

Vic. I think I'm getting my head round the options. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif I'm also assuming that both bt and fs are ISPs with POP-MailAccounts and "own domain" = "forwarding domain".

Right; to be clear. "bt to fs" and "own domain to fs" both failed; but when you say fail can you elaborate what fail means. Does just nothing happen or do you get any bounced mail messages etc or do you get an error message when you try to "send now".

Also what happens with:
"fs to fs" and "hotmail(or other webmail) to fs"

And; to be clear. You can "browse" your fs-website using either your DomainName-url or the fs-url. But can you also upload to your website if you are connected via either bt or fs. In fact are you switching between ISPs or do you only use one of them.

Let us know the results but what I suspect, at the moment, is that you are dialing-up using fs and because of that, fs is blocking the sending from a "bt configured" mail account. If that is the case you just need to reconfigure that bt mail account so that the Outgoing Mail (SMTP) setting is that of fs (the ISP you are using at the time) and its Incoming Mail (POP3) remains that of bt.

In other words you would use the fs SMTP-server to send out your mail while you are connected through fs instead of trying to "cross connect" to the bt mail server to send it out for you (or vice-versa if it is the other way round).

Some ISPs block in this manner whilst others do not. If you are using two different ISPs it may mean having twice as many mail accounts in your mail application; and then using the configurations as appropriate for the one you are dialled-up-to at the time. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Post Edit:-
I may have got bt and fs the wrong way round but I hope you get the general idea. Here in Ireland, IOL allow cross-overs but Eircom only allow the use of their smtp service (and editing of their website) while you are connected through them.

[This message has been edited by Paul Komski (edited 03-18-2002).]

[Vic 970]

paul,

para 1 correct.

para 2. message sends but I get the following return message.....

revi@fsnet.co.uk
unrouteable mail domain "fsnet.co.uk"

------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------

Return-path: <vic@revi.co.uk>
Received: from host213-1-144-218.btinternet.com ([213.1.144.218] helo=amdduron)
by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8)
id 16n5Xf-0005rc-00
for revi@fsnet.co.uk; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:23:48 +0000
Reply-To: <vic@revi.co.uk>
From: "Vic Cornes." <vic@revi.co.uk>
To: <revi@fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: ee
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:23:47 -0000
Message-ID: <MABBJCEKPOCHCFMJGKBJAEABCCAA.vic@revi.co.uk>

(END*of message**)

para 3
own domain to own domain = ok
own domain to fsnet = fail
send to all accounts from hotmail, Not recieved any of them !!!!!

para 4
I normally use bt (which is surf time) but cannot upload to a fs site, so I switch to fs (payg) when uploading pages to my (fs) site

para 5
my connections are all configured....

bt = bt incoming - bt outgoing ok
own domain name = fs incoming - bt outgoing ok
fs = fs incoming - bt outgoing us

thing is that 2 & 3 are same account, it's just that 'my domain' is forwarded to the fs account rather than direct, & that one works ok

para 6 & 7
yes, if not configured correctly, each will try to disconnect & re dial their own server, but this doesn't happen in the current configuration.

para 8
I have a site on bt & one on fs. each will only upload to their own.

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my fs e-mail is really..revi@fsnet...but my domain e-mail...vic@revi is forwarded to it, which works ok, but if you use the 'proper' addy, the mail is returned.

both are the same account, so the account works ok

its like me sending you a letter (whats that?) care of Mrs. Komski at blah blah, ireland, which you recieve at your address but when I send it to you direct ie: Paul Komski (same address) it is returned.




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for every question there's an answer. Then a load more questions.
Definition of Upgrade "A means of introducing new bugs to a program to replace the ones that you have eventually found fixes for"

Regards..,
Vic.

[Paul Komski]

It seems to me from that header that bt bounced the mail by saying that fsnet.co.uk was an unroutable domain. They didn't bounce it at the smtp level but did so at the next level.

So either fsnet.co.uk is truly unroutable in a global sense or bt belatedly recognised that the senders eMail return-to addy (vic@revi.co.uk aka revi@fsnet.co.uk) didn't correlate, after all, with an originating bt address. If this premise is correct the same mail account should send OK by just replacing the return-to eMail address to a bt one.

I would also try the same account by just dialling-up with fs and also dialling-up with fs and with the smtp setup for fs.

I'm not sure I understand Hotmail not sending to ALL accounts. I presume these are multiple eMail addresses @fsnet.co.uk Perhaps your logged-on domain address is enough to allow BT to bounce them too or else the fsnet.co.uk domain IS really unroutable globally. I will copy this post and email it to you at revi@fsnet.co.uk to test out the global hypothesis; .

My gut feeling is that the domain forwarding aspect cannot be causing any blocking assuming that you are using the correct eMail address and there is nothing like a blank space etc making it invalid somewhere; others may know better.


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Take nice care of yourselves - Paul
[i]"There are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots."

[Vic 970]

thanks paul

the addys are the correct ones. I'll re-check all my settings again, one thing I forgot to mention is that when recieving mail on send/recieve ALL the accounts show ok, and most of my mail comes through the fs account although addressed to vic@revi not revi@fsnet.

still not recieved any from hotmail, & I've just checked my hotmail account to see if they were returned, but they're not, however the hotmail is on the high security setting which may be the reason.

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for every question there's an answer. Then a load more questions.
Definition of Upgrade "A means of introducing new bugs to a program to replace the ones that you have eventually found fixes for"

Regards..,
Vic.

[Paul Komski]

My email to you at revi@fsnet.co.uk bounced with:-

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

revi@fsnet.co.uk
unrouteable mail domain "fsnet.co.uk"

Weird. I can send to my real or alias eMail addresses any way I configure them. I'm trying to research unrouteable mail domain and the nearest "bug" I can get so far is something to do with echos and things getting sent twice. ??? Unless your domain server really has done a take-over. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

POST EDIT
I have checked out a couple of fsnet.co.uk email addresses out there. They all have the format namea@nameb.fsnet.co.uk which is different from the one you have posted!!??

[This message has been edited by Paul Komski (edited 03-19-2002).]

[Vic 970]

Hi paul,

You've cracked it mate ! correct addy should be *@revi.fsnet (* being anything, which makes it easy to add mailboxes) unlike bt, which is a unique name and you have to apply to add mailboxes. Any way prob sorted, don't know why I didn't figure that, must have been thrown by the bt addy.

but...,

I've just tried my hotmail account again, and

it recieves mail ok
send to fsnet ....mail recieved ok
send to own domain ...mail recieved ok

send to revi@btinternet....mail NOT recieved ******but
if I send from my own domain to revi@btinternet I recieve it ok ****

also, I had an e-mail today from bt which was addressed to revi@btopenworld
so I tried that addy from hotmail...& recieved it ok

tried it from my own domain.........recieved it ok

strange thing is that my account IS btinternet (I did'nt want openworld) so there is still something weird going on.

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for every question there's an answer. Then a load more questions.
Definition of Upgrade "A means of introducing new bugs to a program to replace the ones that you have eventually found fixes for"

Regards..,
Vic.

[Paul Komski]

LOL http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Glad you got the main problem sorted. I was concerned on a selfish level, since I only recently got a domain name and if my normal email addy was or became inaccessible (in the change-over phase) then those not aware of the change would have been getting bounced mail and not been able to contact me.

Have no idea how BT operate but sounds like you just got another POP3 a/c; hope it's not costing you. As for that one hotmail glitch; I'm gonna leave that one with you. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif




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Take nice care of yourselves - Paul
"There are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots."

[Vic 970]

the plot thickens !!!!!

I've been searching bt to find an answer, but there is no reference anywhere to btinternet.co.uk. which is what I registered my account with. still I can send from my pc with that addy & recieve ok. but NOT from hotmail. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/mad.gif

I have though got 3 new addys which I CAN use from hotmail as well as from my pc

No wonder I was confused http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

the new addys are all versions of .com (which I know I never chose) http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

I have just written to bt asking for an explanation, hoping that they're a bit quicker than their reply over 'ping' rates (6 months, 6 replies, each saying that it is being dealt with & will be sorted 'very quickly') http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

I've just been looking at the powergen packages, which seem ok. & considering swapping over to them ! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif

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for every question there's an answer. Then a load more questions.
Definition of Upgrade "A means of introducing new bugs to a program to replace the ones that you have eventually found fixes for"

Regards..,
Vic.