How to remember what is Socket 7, 370, A..etc.

[TSMatt]

Is there an easy way (other than plain ol' time sinking it into my head) to keep what is socket 7, 370, A, slot 1, 2 etc etc etc......

Are most the newer chips one certain type now?


Thanks.

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[hiredgoonz]

I'll try to break it down from oldest to newest...

Socket 7 supported AMD K5/K6/K6-2/K6-III and Intel Pentiums (these are older systems, really can't buy them new anymore)

Slot 1 supported Intel Pentium II/Pentium III (the early iteration, anyway) and some Celerons (I think by Slot 2 you mean SECC2 which was the same 242 pin setup but a slightly different cartridge which was used for Slot 1 P3s)

Socket 370 supports the latest Pentium IIIs and Celerons

Slot A supports the "Classic" Athlon and is physically identical to Slot 1

Socket A supports the Athlon "Thunderbird" and Duron

Most systems you see now are going to be Socket A or Socket 370, although the Pentium 4 uses Socket 423 for the time being, but this will be replaced soon enough...

[AwARe]

TSMatt,

There really is no way that I can see to "easily" keep in your head which is which......Because there is "allot" of overlapping etc..at least as far as mhz are concerned

For instance, the fastest Slot 1 Pentium you can get is about 1ghz
But Socket 370 starts somewhere around 600mhz
So you've got 400mhz where you can have both Slot 1 PIII and Socket 370 PIII
And AMD has been making a mess of things since way back when they offered a 500mhz Socket7, and the fastest Pentium Socket7 was no where near that speed.............
About all you can get is a rough idea........
Perhaps there is a specific difference between the 600mhz Slot 1 PIII and the 600mhz Socket 370 PIII other then the obvious difference "slot/socket"?............
Maybe someone has the answer to that?

But as has already been stated most newer systems are going to be Socket 370 for Pentium III, Socket 423 for Pentium 4, and Socket A for AMD CPU's.......

Hopefully this was at least "some" help to you


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[sea69]

What is the difference between the SlotA Athlon, SocketA Athlon, and Duron?

SlotA Athlon - These have 512KB of L2 Cache running at either 1/2, 2/5, or 1/3 or the core frequency. These CPU's are been replaced by the Thunderbird and Duron.

SocketA Athlon - These have 256KB of L2 Cache running at full core frequency. Code named Thunderbird, and available with either aluminum or copper interconnects.

Socket A Duron - These have 64KB of L2 Cache running at full core frequency. These are AMD's new budget line, and their performance is close, if not better than the SlotA Athlon

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[AwARe]

Actually TBIRD is avail in both Slot-A and Socket-A Sorry sea69 heh http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

ATHLON 800MHz with 3DNow! (K7) TBIRD, (SLOT A) 256K Full Speed Cache 200 FSB.
Athlon (Tbird) 850 256K On-Die Cache, 200MHz FSB, SOCKET-A - OEM

and also there is a duron with a slightly different cache cfg

AMD DURON-900MHZ 192K CACHE SOCKA PGA462 200MHZ FSB PIB Part# D900BOX

What Im wondering (Trying to help matt find a way to identify these CPU's) is... do these CPU's have any identifying numbers or likewise that may help to identify them without knowing their slot/socket cfg?
I Don't Know.......Maybe Someone else does?

Pentium also offer's CPU's with similar specs that have different slot/socket cfg's but the same mhz/cache etc etc etc

Here are some examples
Pentium® III 750MHz SLOT 1, 100MHZ FSB 256K SECC 2 .18 Micron Coppermine - OEM
Pentium III 750 Coppermine, 256K Cache Coppermine FCPGA Socket 370 - OEM

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[sea69]

NO and not sorry, above is incorrect.
I don't know where you got above misinformation, but I will NOT allow you to stand uncorrected on this.

you had better be able to give an AMD site link that states the above data you just posted. I don't mean some auction , or something another confused wannabe IDIOT wrote somewhere..

cause in fact I OWN one.

There are slot A and Socket A ATHLON

the Slot A is the original "Classic" Athlon

the Socket A is the THUNDERBIRD (I'm typing this on a T-Bird right now.)

to quote my man Reid: AMD processors can be easily identified by reading the part number printed on the top of their black casing. In the part numbering after the initial "AMD" statement will follow a single letter.

A = AMD Athlon "Thunderbird" and K = AMD Athlon "Classic".

AMD-A 0850MPR24B A is an example of an AMD Althon "Thunderbird" processor.

who is correct.

you sir/ miss, are INCORRECT x INFINITY.

unless EVERYBODY else on this site, and on this PLANET (except you) are wrong. (which I HIGHLY doubt!!!)

PLEASE, at LEAST know a little bit about what you are posting here... if this keeps up.. people are going to suffer from your argumentative, and cavalier manner of posting here.. we do not like it., and you are scarring away REAL people that come here for help with all the frikkin controversy you stir up WITH EVERY POST YOU ADD YOUR 2 cents to.


ps: sorry Pete, and everyone (I tried to bite my tongue)

in fact, beleive it or not.. compared to what I was going to put here this is MILD. Pete, I will take no offense if you feel inclined to edit this post.

censored by sean

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[hiredgoonz]

According to AMD (check the cpu dropdown list and read the asterisked comment):
http://www1.amd.com/athlon/mbl

There are slot Athlons with the "performance enhancing cache" that was the distinction given to the "Thunderbird"

Originally, the Thunderbird name had to do with the 128K on-die L1 and 256K
on-die cache, not the processor packaging...

And you're both (aware and sea) saying the same thing about the duron cache...it has a TOTAL of 192K of on-die cache, 64K L1 and 128K of L2...

But it sure sounds better to say 192K than it does to say 128K, which is why it's advertised that way, same as the "T-bird" is advertised as having 384K...

Everybody take a deep breath...count to ten...it will all be ok...

[Paleo Pete]

Damn...I don't have any hair left as it is...

Sea I don't mind you correcting someone but the argumentative tone is likely to start more trouble. I'll leave it though, and see what happens. I understand your point of view, but I'm trying to get all this settled without more arguments.

From the last post or two I've seen from Aware, he or she seems to be trying to ease up a bit, I hope you can both do so and we can all settle down a bit. Let's all try to give each other some breathing room.

Sea, I'm not trying to jump on you, just trying to keep things from getting out of hand.

Aware: When you see this one, be very careful, I'm not a happy camper right now and do NOT want more trouble...best thing you can do is let it ride...but one thing Sea referred to does need to be brought to your attention. Someone had a solution for another question and didn't post it due to the possibility of getting "caught in the crossfire". I don't like that at all, nobody should have any reservations about posting what they are sure is good information, and I happen to know it was good info. It was finally posted, but not before an assurance from me that I would not tolerate any harrassment of that person. That's one of the reasons we've been so harsh with you, we've seen more disruption in this forum in the past two days than in the past 3 or 4 months, and I want it stopped no matter what it takes. I'm also getting complaints by email. That's not a good thing either.

This nonsense had better stop right here!

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[AwARe]

OMG.. This Sux! I Spent 2 or 3 hours typing out my responce, and it got lost while trying to post, and it was so much better then this one is...............

Well I Guess Ill Have To Try Again http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Since I "really" dont have another 3 hours, this ones is gonna have to be the condensed version..........Hopefully it will be enough.........

Pete,

I completely agree and Im very sorry I have caused any disruption
(Im trying, I really am!)

The fact that anyone was afraid to post because of anything that I have done.............well damn http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif - To whomever that was, please forgive any part I played in making you feel that way....I had allot to say on this and all the other subjects at hand, unfortunately lost, hopefully this will do.........To say some of it simply..........I want to stay, I have allot to offer, and the reason I want to stay is because there are allot of "people here" I think "have allot to offer and share in return". Please dont let what I concider "a severe misunderstanding" from both my perspective and the perspective of others, continue to have a negative effect on the future.......and Please Please Please! Dont be afraid to post anything on my account.............

On to sea69, Hopefully I dont have to say much, as I believe that my followup post was both respectful and accurate. It was "NOT MEANT AS A PERSONAL ATTACK!", but I feel that I must at least try to say something to clear all this up....

sea69 seems to be on the defensive and I have been trying for a few days now to get sea to understand that Im not trying to bash on him/her or anyone else......

It seems that anytime I even hint that s/he "may not be 100% correct" s/he has a tissy heh...........and I believe it stems from this post in particular, which I might add I should have written out much better.......... http://www.pcguide.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000732.html
S/He also jumped on me yesterday in this post which speaks for itself I believe, where s/he "asumed" I was trying to make a some kind of statement directed towards him/her, which I was definately not.........if you read the entire post that becomes evident................. http://www.pcguide.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000712.html

To explain all these posts

In the first post I had just arrived here and well, I was thinking to myself, "what kinda place is this, where people dont know that firmware is specific to a particular piece of hardware?"
Notice that in "No Way" did I direct "anything" towards sea69. I only corrected the "misinformation" I probably should have done it without the err umm's which I am now aware of.......But in no way did I say anything negative about sea69.........

The second Post, again if you read it to its end, you will see that in no way was I directing "anything" towards sea69...or at least I had no intention of doing so which I promptly explained to sea.......

And as far as this current Post, I personally verified that information "before" I posted it here.........I tried very hard "not" to make any negative statements about or towards sea69...............

If I find "misinformation" then should I simply ignore it?
More directly, should "I" be afraid to post, as that other person was, for fear of retaliation?

Furthermore, "I" was trying very hard to answer the actual question at hand, which if anyone cares to look at is "Is there some EASY way to keep all this in my head" <- This does not pertain to technical specifications of CPU's

I'm certain that if I wanted to, that like you sea69 I could also spit out a bunch of tech specs on practically "every" cpu ever made.......but I honeslty don't see the point in trying to show off.......which I might add is exactly what you did in that post yesterday about the server that guy wanted to set up....................

From that post, I have a computer I want to try to set up as a server, what do I do?.......and you start off ranting about starting some kind of global internet company...........which is not in any way what that guy wanted to do "Im fairly certain of that!", but notice in no way did I say anything about that yesterday.........I simply tried to offer the guy the info he was looking for..........and very conciously tried "not to offend" "You"...........

I don't know what to say Pete..........

I couldnt let Matt go off thinking that "All" TBIRD's were Socket A....could I? or should I have? Honestly I dont remember anyone "asking" what the technical difference was between AMD cpu's specifically...........and I think my post was again, both "Respectful and Accurate"............

sea69? whats say we be friends eh?
Maybe we could "both" learn something from "each other"?
All this makes no sence...........................

[AwARe]

(Sorry I tried to edit, but kept getting a server error)

sea69,

Maybe next time if you disagree with something I say and want to say so.......Maybe you could make a post similar to mine that says " actually I think that may be wrong AwARe.........and heres why"

I promise you will find me very responsive and co-operative in that instance...........I mean we all make mistakes.......God knows I sure have http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif .............and If Im wrong or make a mistake I actually "do" want someone to tell me.................but the way you responded here is not the best way http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif agreed?

Im working very hard on the way I post and respond to people, maybe you could too? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

Now someone Please Tell me This Is All Over With! Please?

P.S. - hiredgoonz, Thank you for taking the time to verify the AMD.....

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[hiredgoonz]

Actually, I messed up on the Duron info...it should be 128K L1 and 64K L2...I had them reversed...the only difference between the Athlon and Duron now is their L2 cache...256 for the T-Bird and 64 for the Duron...net effect is the same: 192K on die cache (L1 + L2) for the Duron and 384K for the Athlon...

As far as remembering them...the only cpus you're going to see in computers that are selling new at this point are Socket 370 (Pentium3 and Celeron), Socket A (Athlon and Duron) and Socket 423 (Pentium 4)...

But if you want to study history, go to the cpu section at www.tomshardware.com (http://www.tomshardware.com) you'll get more info than anyone really needs on the esoteric details of cpu design...

[Paleo Pete]

OK, I'd like to get all this cleared up so we can get on with our lives.

1st, Sea is a guy. We're wondering the same, are you male or female?

I've been in touch with Sea on this, and have suggested, as I will to you, that you both take a break. Get away from here for a day or two, get your heads straight and tempers in check, and come back ready to get things done in a reasonable, responsible manner. It often helps to back away for a bit and come back with a clear head.

I went to a lot of trouble to establish a friendly, informal atmosphere here with a dose of humor now and then, and the others who have been with us for a while have gone out of their way to help maintain that atmosphere. We have one of the best computer help forums on the Internet and as long as I'm in the captain's chair I intend to keep it that way. The folks that have been regulars here for a while have done a fantastic job and try their best to keep the reputation we've built up. Your first mistake was posting comments about seeing lots of bad information. That got under everyone's skin. If these people posted inaccurate information on a regular basis they wouldn't be here. I wouldn't tolerate it.

What we've seen the past few days has been a major disruption. This is also the first time it's gone on this long. It only lasted this long because I could see that you do seem to know something about computers, rather than being the typical troublemaker who only wants to stir up as much stink as possible. They're gone in no time at all.

Sea is not the only person whose feathers you have ruffled, as I mentioned earlier at least one person refrained from posting good information, and others have possibly done the same, but haven't made me aware of it. (No pun intended.) I also have to consider the possibility that individuals with questions may refrain from posting due to the possibility of getting caught up in this mess as well. None of this is acceptable, which is why I'm trying to resolve the problem, and would like to do it without having to disable any user names.

If you wish to participate here that's your choice, but you need to make sure you always read every word of every post, the same as the rest of us do, so you can post an informed reply. I would recommend, as someone else already has, that you spend some time looking through the forums and reading past postings, and familiarize yourself with the general manner in which these people compose their replies. That will also give you an idea just how knowledgeable these folks really are. Try to be as clear and concise as possible and usually I try to look for the simplest solutions first.

As far as the friction between you and Sea is concerned, I hope you can both be civil toward each other in the future. Nobody says you have to like each other or be buddies, but you do need to cooperate. If the confrontations continue we'll be running off regulars and newcomers before long.

As far as specific posts and the information people respond with, what we usually do is try to offer every option or possibility we can. That's why sometimes you see things that may not seem to precisely answer the question. The server question for instance, wasn't terribly specific, so people tried to cover all the angles. That happens fairly often and usually most of us try to think of everything we can that might apply.

Misinformation-if you see something that's obviously wrong, of course it's best to point it out, but try to do so without being confrontational. Tempers still flare sometimes, but we usually deal with it and get over it. As I said I've been in touch with Sea on this one, and he knows I feel that he should have handled it differently. I think he realizes that now also. Sometimes it's not easy to do the exact right thing, and in this case tempers were already peaked.

On to the original question now:
Is there an easy way (other than plain ol' time sinking it into my head) to keep what is socket 7, 370, A, slot 1, 2 etc etc etc......

Work with them for a while. Only time and handling them on a regular basis will get you to the point you automatically know which one is which. Similar to me and guitars. Strings are as small as .008" and as large as .052" and I can usually look at them an get pretty close to what actual size they are. Play one and I can tell you what gauge strings are on it in 10 seconds. Same here, once you handle the different processors on a regular basis, you'll be able to pick one up and know it's Socket 370 or whatever. If you want to get familiar with the technical aspects, I would recommend the Intel and AMD sites, Tom's Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/) and some of the other technically oriented sites. And of course our own PC Guide has all the basic technical info on CPUs in general.

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[AwARe]

Pete,

I'll keep this one short as I can, just a couple little things I wanted (couldnt stop myself) to add here then Im done...... http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

1st - Thank You! <- Speaks for itself

2nd - Again, Sorry for "ANY" disruption "I" have caused <- Hopefully the last time Ill need to say that http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

3rd - As far as me and sea69, we don't have to be friends?......I dont see any reason why we can't.......Hopefully sea doesnt either......

4th - As far as a break, well I can tell you, I "do" need one, not only from here, but any and everything computer related in general, but for some reason just can't tear my butt away from them (and I can tell the "woman" is starting to get a bit upset with me too)
Maybe the eletro-magnetic field produced from electronic devices has a compulsary effect on the male brain? (Thats my story and Im sticking to it! lmao) http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

5th - Want to say for the record, I know sometimes I start off like a "Steam Roller" (Nothing new here, Im actually very aware of that, and Im trying to fix. Im doing a really good job huh? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif ), but I want to say that you will find Im really a nice guy (Once you get to know me, and that implies you don't feel like killing me before we get there) I appreciate your's and everyone elses patience, and Thanks! for not ditching me at the 1st sign of trouble!

6th - I can't stress enough the fact that, "This Is In No Way Directed Towards sea69, and In No Way Any Kind Of Statement About sea's Knowledge" In fact I agree extremely to the point, that this knowledge is not all that well documented, and AMD themselves actually state in several places that TBIRD's are "All" Socket A. I also agree, this is most likely not all that important at this point, but in case anyone is simply interested, or has any doubts on the subject. (For information purposes alone)

Here is a link to AMD where they acknowledge the existance of such a CPU http://ask.amd.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?St=20,E=0000000000004076 445,K=6412,Sxi=8,Problem=obj(1596) (http://ask.amd.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?St=20,E=0000000000004076445,K=6412,Sxi=8,Problem= obj(1596))

Here is a picture of such an animal (Ill leave that up for a day or two) http://ImaginationWorld.dhs.org

Maybe if I had posted this info with my original post, this whole problem could have been avoided entirely.......We live, we learn, we die!

Good Day All!
I have a kids B-Day in my path today.....ttu's latez

P.S. hiredgoonz, Didn't acknowledge this before, but I realized after I read your earlier post, I did jump the gun a bit about the Duron. Thanks for setting me straight.

Also, I live less then 15 mins from Columbia
*hiredgoonz thinks to self* "WooHoo! How Exciting" haha

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[AwARe]

(Again as before, I tried to edit and got a server error. Sorry for the second Post)

Pete,

To the first question (which I kinda answered but not directly)..........Im a 34 year old Man with at times up to 5 kids (2 are mine)...My kids and I play Q3 and UT across my crazy netwerk that runs "all over" my house........(And I Refuse To Grow Up!........Sorry heh).......2 of the 3 computers I have in my "Living Room" sit on this desk from which I am typing.........I have an uncle (I used to live with) He was at the time a Professor teaching computer science at a local university ( He currently works for IBM and ocationally the US GOV.) This is where I got my start on computers, about 20 years ago on a VIC20 trying to figure out how to make that stick guy walk from one side of my monitor to the other lmao..... and Ive been hooked since http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif .....maybe that gives you enough of an idea who I am? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif (Or maybe more then you wanted to know? heh)

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[sea69]

hired
when you compare yours and my original posts on this, we are in what looks to me in complete agreement. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif
"Slot A supports the "Classic" Athlon and is physically identical to Slot 1
Socket A supports the Athlon "Thunderbird" and Duron"
to
me>>>>>>
"SlotA Athlon - These have 512KB of L2 Cache running at either 1/2, 2/5, or 1/3 or the core frequency. These CPU's are been replaced by the Thunderbird and Duron.
SocketA Athlon - These have 256KB of L2 Cache running at full core frequency. Code named Thunderbird, and available with either aluminum or copper interconnects.
Socket A Duron - These have 64KB of L2 Cache running at full core frequency. These are AMD's new budget line, and their performance is close, if not better than the SlotA Athlon"

perhaps you can explain where we differ @ this point??

Part of the reason I reacted to this guys post the way I did (unproffesionally) was that he seemed to be saying that you and I BOTH were wrong.

We were not. (just not updated to the current situation)

as of what I knew at the time I posted my information was CORRECT.

kinda like when the guy was told that the "world was not flat".. I'm sure that when THAT revelation came out that it was indeed round, that DOCUMENTATION was a deffinite MUST.

the poster didn't offer any, he only said that I was incorrect. At this point he was also saying that YOU were incorrect.. however he somehow ignored you completely, and the rest is history...

please keep in mind that there was previous 'friction' between this person and tj, and that also added to the fray.

will state: "For the Record".. that my response regardless of all this was innapropriate, (the manner in which I did it) that's not how we do things here.

when I got my main pc (Athlon T-Bird) I apparently was lucky.. it is the one to have.. so they say.... but to make matters even MORE confusing.. look @ this: http://www.zing.com/picture/pc2b8f3af601f074cdbced808f3d95c4b/fe87eedc.gif.orig.gif
sisandra's report on MY system. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

and>> http://www.zing.com/picture/p6a5a1da7b5d7ddd6c48264b958d35639/fe87e99e.gif.orig.gif

I do not post this as a "rebuttal" or to elicit futher comment, (although any usefull comments are welcome) http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

hopefully we can all get back on track, as Pete suggests.


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[mjc]

Here is a link to answer some if not all the slot/socket questions......The CPU Index (http://www.redhill.net.au/iu.html)

It has most of the info upto last year, little current info and not all the variations, just the most common, but it is a good place to start....

And here is one that offers some genreal info on slots....Inside Computers (http://library.thinkquest.org/C006208/data/system-chipset.php)
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[sea69]

oh and: http://www.zing.com/picture/pde63b63950175cd2d66ec81a408df360/fedcb9aa.gif.orig.gif .....please...........



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[hiredgoonz]

Hey, leave me outta this http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif ...I wasn't posting to defend or contradict anyone...it seemed to me that a statement was made that Socket Athlons are "T-Birds" (384K on-die cache) and Slot A are "Classic" (128K on-die 512K off-die)

The fact is (at least if you can believe Amd's site): all Socket A Athlons are "T-Birds" but not all Slot A Athlons are "Classic" with respect to their cache structure...some Slot A Athlons have the "T-Bird" cache...

That's it...all I had to say on the matter...that statement wasn't in my original post, but in my post after the "exchange" where I list the link to AMD's site where they give recommended mobos for their cpus...