MP3

[wiltrot]

Ok I have one for ya,
Why is it when I copy all my mp3 files to a CDR for safe keeping (so I
thought), so I won't have to go threw all those CDs again to reload them
on my PC. I thought I could just copy the mp3 files back on my PC after
reformatting and reloading the mp3 player. But when I go to play them
nothing, I see the songs in the player but no sound. I then have to reload
them back on all over again. Why is that?

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[Paleo Pete]

Most average CD ROM drives are not designed to "see" MP3 files as valid music files. When you try to play music off a CD it plays it as music. When you play MP3 through a program, it uses the MP3 decoding to translate it to music first, then plays the actual sound. CD ROM drives do not have the ability to do that decoding.

Or did I completely misunderstand your question?



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[wiltrot]

Ya kind of. Your understanding some of it. What I'm doing is not playing
mp3 music off the CD but I'm treating it just like a file I copyed on the
CDR for safe keeping and then when if I needed to reformat the harddrive, all that music on my harddrive is gone. So then instead of reloading all that music back on the harddrive with my mp3 player (in case you
misunderstand this part, I mean putting my music CD in the CD Rom Drive and then my mp3 player starts copying the music on the harddrive so I can play my music with out having to put a music CD in the drive). Ok, now so then instead of reloading all that music (which takes alot of time) back on the harddrive. I just take the CDR that has all that music (that's in mp3 format) file and just like I would with any other file, copy it back in the same place in the mp3 player, from whence I copyed it in the first place.
Is this making any sense. Hope it does. So now when I do copy it back in
the mp3 player I can see the music (meaning I can see the song titles in the player) and when I click on the song to play it, it won't work.

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[sea69]

what music app are you using to 'rip' the files from CD to HDD.??

not all of them will record/rip.

try musicmatch (http://www.musicmatch.com)

MM, automatically converts.

additionally: when I do this I always make sure that the CD plays correctly before I consider it a good burn.


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[wiltrot]

I guess I'm not making my self very clear. I use Musicmatch Jukebox and
I don't have any problems with it. I copy my music on it, I play my music with it, I can even burn CDs with the Musicmatch Jukebox to play on my portable CD player. All that works find no problems with the mp3 player.

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[sea69]

ok then, stupid questions now:

what do you usually use to make/burn your Cd's??

are you closing the session when you make one??

are you trying to play after burning to be sure that it was succesfull??

other than that it seems we may have a communication problem. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

(or at least I do)

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[sea69]

I will tell you what I do.

I have over 900 mp3's.

I back them up to CD in case I have a disaster or whatever.

I use cd-r and cdrw, either works.

If your CD was burned correctly, and you can play the music (from the CD) and hear it, then you can just use MM to record/rip them to your HDD.

I still do not understand the problem here......

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[iisbob]

I'm with the other guys on this one?! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif Are you just trying to play your MP3's after you've archived them? Then all you have to do is start your music program and " browse " to your CD; most , if not all media programs ( wma itself included ) will play the mp3 format. In MM's case all you have to do is place the cd in the drive, then open it and dble click on the file, it should start playing it immediately.

If you're seeing the song, but not hearing any sound, i would check the obvious-like your volume control, and check to see if you have the audio cable connected to your cd player ( do you have an audio cable connected to your cd-burner? ) I once ran into this problem on a friends system-he had installed a cd-burner, but didn't have an extra connection for another audio cable, hence only his cd-player would work with the onboard sound. That was one of the things i figured out after puzzling over his system for awhile. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif However, most cd-players and burners come with a headphone port, so you can use that if the above is the case.

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[wiltrot]

Nothing wrong with player. Just won't play the files that I had copied
onto the CDR. I'm not converting the mp3 format to CD
format I'm just copying the mp3 files directly from harddrive to CDR for
future reference so I don't have to go through the process of copying
the music CD (converting CD format to mp3 format) to the harddrive.
All my devices are working fine. I have sound, my mp3 player works fine
I can listen to my music. I just can't get the music I had copied to the
CDR or CDRW to play on the mp3 player. But the interesting thing is I
have mp3 files I down loaded from the Internet that will work, I can listen
to them on my mp3 player. So after all this what I'm trying to figure
out is, what am I doing wrong when I'm copying mp3 files onto the CDR.
Now remember I can see the file that I've copied, but when I click on the
file the little window on the mp3 player where the title of the song would
be displayed, reads can't find file.


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[iisbob]

what burning softwware are u using? Make sure when you burn them to the cdr you do so as data files, and make sure you finalize the session. A lot of players can't read cd's if they are not " closed "

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[sea69]

Originally posted by iisbob:
what burning softwware are u using? Make sure when you burn them to the cdr you do so as data files, and make sure you finalize the session. A lot of players can't read cd's if they are not " closed "



these are the same two questions that I asked above.

I can't understand it. If you burn a music CD and can play it, you can again copy it to any HDD as long as you have the software (as you say you do) to do it.

If it does not play, then it was not closed/finalized, I don't convert anything, I just let either my Adaptec or musicmatch software do it automatically.

Perhaps you have changed some settings.

please tell us what programs you're using so we can check settings for you.

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[wiltrot]

Perhaps I should drop this Topic. I'm not changing anything on the mp3
player it does it because that's what it is. The music on the CD you buy to play on your home stereo is a different format than mp3. Mp3s are a much smaller file than a CD format. I know you guys know all of this, but you keep thinking I'm making a music CD to play and I'm not. I know I can just put the music CD in the CDrom drive and just play the music that way. I have no problems there. Or I can put the music CD in the same CDrom drive (not a writer just a standard CDrom drive)and let the mp3 player record the music that's on the music CD onto the harddrive. But it's not
the same format the mp3 player converted it from CD format to mp3. And now
I can listen to that same music without having the CD in the CDrom drive.
It takes me about 10 mins. to copy a music CD on the harddrive with the
mp3 player, and when it does the music goes in the Library, then I select the song I want to listen to and it goes in the play list and that's where it plays the songs.Ya ya I know, you know all of this. Ok, where was I?
You know what my wife just said to me? She does't understand any of this
stuff I've been writing. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif So then now the music is in the mp3
player ok, now I have an option, I can either with the same mp3 player
make (by selecting songs in the My library list) a regular music CD that
you can only play in the stereo in your home or I can make a music CD that has mp3 songs that can only be played on one of those portable CD mp3 players. Ok, what I am doing is none of those things. What I am doing is
using the Adaptec program, creating a Data CD by copying the mp3 files on
it, thinking to myself this should work. What's the difference? Fixed disk,
movable disk, none, right? I don't think I need to write any more about this,if you don't understand by now, you never will. Not your fault. I think.

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[sea69]

Originally posted by wiltrot:
What I am doing is
using the Adaptec program, creating a Data CD by copying the mp3 files on
it, thinking to myself this should work. What's the difference? Fixed disk,
movable disk, none, right? I don't think I need to write any more about this,if you don't understand by now, you never will. Not your fault. I think.



no, you don't do it that way. (at least I don't, and my way works everytime.)

you make a regular music CD from your mp3 files, not a data CD, it won't work that way. (Yes, it is "data" either way, but it is not recognized in the way that your music application is looking for to play it.}

Then you can do anything you like with it.

am I getting what you mean now??

I think I do, but it's difficult to express.

hehe


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[wiltrot]

Ok, that's really all I needed to know. Thanks, and Sorry for all that confusion. I'm better at face to face communications than I am at this typing on line stuff. Not use to it, all pretty new.
P.S. Today I turned 40 (on the 30th that is) it's not today any more.

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[greenhornet]

I get what you're saying [b]wiltrot[/]. Might your problem may be on the way you burned them, I don't know.

I had no problem doing what you just did. I have over 30 gigs of mp3s and to clear my harddrive I burned them to cd-rs as ordinary data files(.mp3). I can usually fit around 150 mp3 files in one disk, the exact number depending on their sizes. And I can play them directly from the burned cd-rs through winamp or any other mp3 players. I can also copy them back to the harddrive and they would play fine from there also.

Your problem reminds me of a group of songs I downloaded from a newsgroup a long time ago. I played them in winamp and they would show as being played, t5he problem is there is just no sound coming out.

If you ever find out what's wrong, update us okay? It might help me on this other problem of mine .....

[sea69]

well, again- I always (while using adaptec)do MUsic CD, not data CD,for music

and Happy (day after) your Birthday!!!! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

psssssss - my computer was one year old yesterday as well!!

hehe

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ps- greenhornet- I find your statement very hard to believe, 150 mp3's on one CD.. songs must be about 3 seconds long! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

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[iisbob]

Mp3's are a data format, not a music file. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif


Specifically they are a compressed encoding of a WAV file. When you use your burning program to burn them, it see's them as standard data ( even tho adaptec 5.1 has a seperate mp3 burning option, it's still burning a reguler data disc ). All current media players are able to decode on the fly, playing mp3's just as they would a standard sound modulated file ( ie, wav, cda, etc..) and they've finally incorperated that into normal car, portable and home stereo's.

As i stated in an earlier post i use MusicMatch to decode my mp3's straight to the cdr in standard wav audio format, and it closes or " finalizes " it automatically, but you can do the same thing with your cdburning software-most will now decode mp3's into wav format then burn them straight to the cd to make an effortless " music disc ", unlike older versions wher you had to first decompress the mp's to a wav, then point your cd-burning software to those files in order to make a music cd.

When you burn an mp3 disc, windows will automatically " see " it as a data cd, just like an exe, zip, etc..when you burn a cd with wav files on it, then windows knows it's an " audio " cd and automatically launches your music player.

ps- greenhornet- I find your statement very hard to believe, 150 mp3's on one CD.. songs must be about 3 seconds long! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

What's so hard about that sea? i have four cd's each with between 120 to 210 on one?! remember mp3's use only 1mb per second of sound while wav uses 10; for example an average 4 minute song in mp3 format is only 4mb's in size while in it's wav format would be 40mb's!:P Huge space diff!
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[sea69]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm........ so if a four minute song is 4 MBs ÷ 650MB/ 74- minutes = 162.5 songs... !!

hehe, what have I been doing only putting 20 songs on a CD ??


but I am really bad at math.. so explain this to me. 74 avail minutes on a standard 650MB CD blank = (74÷4=18.5)songs?

where's Kay- she has patience with dumb people like me.. hehe


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[iisbob]

You don't actually get 650mb's on a 74 minute disc, most people don't know about or forget the file system that has to be laid down for a cdplayer to recognize the info on the disc ( that "closing " that's going on ). Usually you're talking about an overhead of 11mb's, more or less-a real no# for how much space you have on a typical cd is around ~550 mb's,. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

Go here, cdrfaq.com (http://www.cdrfaq.org/) they have an excellant tutorial on cdr's and the whole cd burning question. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[sea69]

none the less iisbob, how is it if a CD has approximately 74 minutes how do you get more than 18.5 -four (4) minute segments of songs onto it????


?

(confused... probably why I ditched algebra)

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[iisbob]

You're looking at it wrong sea, the 74 minutes of music applies to the wav format ( or cda format ) where you can usually only squeeze up to around 10-15 songs on a disc on average.

If you've got 120 mp3's on a cd , then you've now got 480 minutes of music ( roughly 8 hours worth! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif ). That's why mp3's are so popular! How cool is it to just have 1 cd with all your fav songs on it? imagine, driving to grannies and listen to only 1 cd, but never the same song twice! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[sea69]

yes, I see...........

how about using Adaptec CD-Direct??

is this a 'good' way to do it??



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[sea69]

ok!!

I just used Adaptec CD-Direct to put 152 music files on a cd!

hehe

they play just fine from the cd.

I love it.

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[greenhornet]

My first time to see this thread again, just completely forgot about it.

Sea69, heh heh, I'm glad you finally found out the real use of mp3s ...... and that's putting all your favorite songs in one cd(in mp3 file format). This is the most attractive feature of mp3s especially for those who are always on the move. Instead of bringing stacks of cds with you, you only need to bring one or two with you.

Now my next project would be to install a car cd/mp3 player in my car. Just saw Fry's selling them for a little less than $300. I can wait till they drop to less than $200 then I'll buy one.

[wiltrot]

Hi there,
I thought you would like to know that I solved my mp3 dilemma. I have
discovered that what I was copying was not really mp3, they were m3u file.
At this point I don't quite know what m3u represents but I do know they don't work when I copy them to a CD. So now I had to figure out how to get all those music files that my Musicmatch Jukebox made into m3u (I don't know why, about this either) back to mp3. Looking around on the Musicmatch
Jukebox create a CD component I discovered that it gave you the options
also to create data mp3 files. So I did and it did and it all works fine
now, I'm making mp3 CDs that will hold 168 songs mp3 format. I took them
to work to be sure about this, and play them on another PC with an mp3 player that had none of these songs and it was a success. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

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