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Olsonseth
03-24-2012, 07:39 PM
Hey everyone I'm new to the forums and I'm building my first pc for gaming. My budget is 500$ roughly. Already have an Asus vh236h monitor and mouse and keyboard. Here are the parts I picked out. Any comments on improvements or alternatives to maximize performance or anything at all is much appreciated! Thank you!

PC specs:

- Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

-*CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9

-*XFX HD-667X-CNF3 Radeon HD 6670 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

-*ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM

-*Recertified: Western Digital Caviar Blue RFHWD5000AAJS 500GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare*

-*CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

-*ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

-*AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX

*note this setup is slightly over 500$*

Olsonseth
03-24-2012, 08:47 PM
Bump bump bump

Olsonseth
03-24-2012, 09:07 PM
Hey everyone I'm new to the forums and I'm building my first pc for gaming. My budget is 500$ roughly. Already have an Asus vh236h monitor and mouse and keyboard. Here are the parts I picked out. Any comments on improvements or alternatives to maximize performance or anything at all is much appreciated! Thank you!

PC specs:

- Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

-*CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9

-*XFX HD-667X-CNF3 Radeon HD 6670 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

-*ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM

-*Recertified: Western Digital Caviar Blue RFHWD5000AAJS 500GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare*

-*CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

-*ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

-*AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX

*note this setup is slightly over 500$*

hackerballs
03-25-2012, 12:58 AM
anything you can build for $500 and get it to work is OK........just not much of a gaming PC................I hope I can assume that you are buying windows 7 x 64 bit

but that is not bad......play some games.......maybe more on low settings.....but it looks good........all you would need to game would be a better GPU

my son has that 965 Black and he really likes it as it is not a bottleneck

Olsonseth
03-25-2012, 08:23 AM
Obviously 7 64 bit :) also from what I've read in research. The only thing this system is really lacking is a better graphics card. If you know of a compatible graphics card for 100$ or so let me know! I looked on YouTube and supposedly you can play bf3 and skyrim on ultra? Maybe some things were lowered I'm not sure but from what I seen. This little gfx card seems pretty good. Btw how do you know if your system is "bottlenecking "? I'm not even familiar with this term in computers. Examples please?

hackerballs
03-25-2012, 11:22 AM
your gpu is a bottleneck as what that means is you cannot make your card do more than it is built for..................only will go so far............

My PC can play BF3 and Skyrim on Ultra or someone with a single GTX580 can also...............need major gpu power for that.......your card will not

Recommended specs to play BF3 or Skyrim is a ATI 6950 or GTX 560...both out of your price range........

I would just recommend that you picked up a second card like the one you have, but alas, your MB is not up for it as it would revert to x4...........with x8 or x16 it would be fine, but your MB has only 1 x 16 and 1 x 4 PCI-e slots so it would revert to 1 x 4

Go here for prices
http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category=38&name=Video-Cards-Video-Devices

I would recommend a 6950/560 also as that is what is needed for todays games....a 6850/460 would be my new minimum..........this year

You might want to look at the new midrange ATI 7000 series coming out this week also

Olsonseth
03-25-2012, 12:07 PM
Okay thanks for the update! Also to be honest there are 2 main reasons I new to build a computer. 1: I'm a hardcore diablo fan and they just announced d3 for may 15th and I need a pc that can run it well which I believe this will. Like you said the only bottleneck is my gpu. Keep in mind this is a budget build. Unless you know of any specific gfx cards that are pretty close to 100$ that are significantly better than the 2gb *6670 let me know. 2: I eventually will be getting a BMI Pro for recording HD footage from my Xbox 360. I believe I have an excellent CPU for that. Also do you think that gpu can run that game on max? Any other suggestions? All input is much appreciated!! Thank you!

Olsonseth
03-25-2012, 12:17 PM
Here are the recomended specs for diablo 3. These are higher than the minimum requirements.

Windows® Vista/7 (latest service packs)
Intel® Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz or AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 5600+ 2.8 GHz
2 GB RAM
NVIDIA® GeForce® 260 or ATI Radeon™ HD 4870 or better

How does my setup compare? Specifically the gpu. Higher the number the better right?

Olsonseth
03-25-2012, 12:21 PM
Is the gpu I have picked out an integrated one? I'm confused about how good it actually is. I checked the one that's recommended for d3 and it's price is like 150$ or so. It's a 4870 though. Why isn't a 6670 better >.<?

Olsonseth
03-25-2012, 12:54 PM
I found this gpu. My price range :) supposedly a good card?

MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

Is this compatible with my setup above?

hackerballs
03-25-2012, 01:06 PM
go here and compare http://www.techarp.com/article/Desktop_GPU_Comparison/ati_4_big.png

and in todays market........not great........it has only 64.0 GB/s for a memory bandwidth and more is needed.............a 5770 for $104 has 76.8 GB/s.......still not enough

GTX 4870 has a memory bandwidth of 115.2 GB/s is why it's a more powerful card........................bigger numbers donnot mean better performance.......might just have some new features and the Companies that build them make series of good, bad, and ugly too suit everyone

6850........128 GB/s
6870........134.4 GB/s
6950........160.0 GB/s
GTX 460...108.8 GB/s my son has this card and cannot play on Ultra
GTX 580...192.4 GB/s this will


7850.........153.6 GB/s a new card with some new features
7970..........264.0 GB/s the most powerful card out today

saphalline
03-25-2012, 10:17 PM
Woah, too many questions here.

First of all, $500 for the box = not the best gaming performance. No way around that. You need $150 USD for a decent vid card alone! Add in the fact that you cannot skimp on things like the PSU, mobo, and case, and you have an equation that cannot balance. Just accept the fact that you will not be able to "max out your games" on a budget like that. Best you can do is skimp on the GPU and make the rest of your system good. That way you can just drop in a new GPU later and be good to go.

Secondly, that monster monitor of yours coupled with your low budget will actually make things worse. No new $100 vid card can push the latest games at 1080p. Not gonna happen. You will either have to turn down the details (and AA is right out!) or you will have to run your games at a non-native resolution (like 1280 x 1024). If you can grab a 17" or 19" monitor for free, you can actually use that for your gaming monitor instead, but... would you be willing to give up that 23"?

Thirdly, a "bottleneck" is exactly what it sounds like - some portion of a system that is holding back performance. Bottlenecks change depending on usage models. For instance, when gaming, the bottleneck is most likely to be the GPU. When encoding video, the bottleneck is most likely to be the CPU. Etc. Balancing a system for one usage model usually means you create a bottleneck for another usage model. There is no "perfect system" unless it will only be used for one usage model.

Fourthly, GPU model codes can be very misleading. A GeForce GTX 550 is worse than a GTX 480, but probably better than a GTX 620 if Nvidia makes such a thing. The first number (right now; this stuff can change on a whim) denotes generation. The next number denotes performance level. So a GTX 550 is "gen 5, perf 5", which means that the GTX 480 ("gen 4, perf 8") has more performance using an older design. Likewise, a Radeon HD 6670 will not perform as well as a Radeon HD 5770 because it is a newer design with less power. Eventually, the age of generations does catch up in terms of performance - a Radeon HD 4870 is probably only a bit faster or slower than a Radeon HD 7770.

My advice is to accept the fact that your budget does not allow for max'ed out gaming and just go with the flow. Diablo 3 will run fine on your $500 box if you turn down the settings. Later, when your budget allows, drop $150-200 on a new GPU and take advantage of cranking it up! It will be nice to breathe new life into the game later. GPU upgrades are fun!