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eddy25
04-18-2012, 03:02 PM
Hi

i'm not a professional in PC assembling,so i'm hoping to get advices from this forum before i send the e-mail of my specs for the workstation builder.
(maybe you're wondering why i don't get advices from the WS builder ;well , i just want to gather information from people that have experienced all the threads and are capable of offering the best solutions)
i have alot of questions - i'm building a PC for music production and animation.

here is my assembladge:

-Case : Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced RC-692A-KKN5 Mid Tower ATX USB3.0 Version
-CPU : 3.20 GHz - i7-3930K
-Motherboard : : intel DP67BG w/Sound+SATA+1GB Lan+Firewire+Raid+PCIe+WIFI & Bluetooth Adapter/ Two SuperSpeed USB 3.0 ports / Support for up to 32 GB of system memory/ Fourteen USB 2.0 ports
-MEMORY: KINGSTON DDR3 1333, 24GB RAM (6 x 4GB)
-Display Card: EVGA 02G-P3-1469-KR GeForce GTX560 2GB DDR5 Dual w/TV
-Power Supply: Cooler Master RS-850-AMBA-J3 Silent Pro M850 850W
-memory cooler: Thermaltake CL-R0028 V1R Memory Cooler
-CPU Cooler : Thermaltake CLP0564 Frio for LGA1366, LGA1156/5& LGA775 CPU Cooler
-VGA Cooler : Thermaltake CL-G0103 SOrb VGA Cooler
-2x Internal Drives: 1TB WD10EZRX ~7200RPM S-ATAIII 64MB
-HDD coolers : Cooler Master 4-in-3 Device Module for 4X HDD
-DVD WRITER: LG: SUPER MULTI DUAL LAYER 22X
CASE MERCURY KM 88


it is mostly done in ramdom clicking, all i know is that i need alot of RAM , a nice VGA and a Strong CPU. My budget is 2500$.

now here are my questions :

1-how much should i overclock the CPU according to my coolers?
2-is water-cooling better than the CPU cooler i have selected ?
3-Does the Case i've selected include coolers ?
4-Do i need all these coolers?
5-should i get the i7 980 instead of 3930k ?is there a big difference?
6-Is the power supply good enough? should i replace it?
7-is there any piece that is incompatible with the others?
8-any other advice?...


i'll be very thankful and appreciative for your advices.

Eddy

hackerballs
04-18-2012, 06:32 PM
1:average OC on air 4.767ghz
average OC on water 4.983ghz
2: water is better for Overclocking than what you picked out
3: Front: 140 x 25mm blue LED fan x 1 / 1200RPM / 19dBA
Rear: 120mm fan x 1 / 1200 RPM / 17dBA
Top: 140 x 25mm fanx1/1200RPM/19dBA(supports120/140mm fan x 2)
Bottom: 120mm fan x 2 (optional)
Left side: 120/140mm fan x 2 (optional)
Right side: 80 x 15mm x 1 (optional)
HDD cage: 120mm fan x 1 (optional)
......................but why are you going for a mid and not a full tower? way more room with a full for better airflow and cooling
4: Yes
5: I would buy the i7 3770 ivy bridge .... http://www.anandtech.com/show/5626/ivy-bridge-preview-core-i7-3770k/3 ...out on April 23 and savemoney but look at this
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html 4.3 OC on the 980
6: Good....can't be good enough...buy the best you can afford
7: Surprised you have not got a SSD Sata 3 for your boot drive and apps you need to load FAST
8: buy a nice monitor or 2 and laser mouse
and might want 1600 RAM instead of 1333

eddy25
04-19-2012, 04:37 AM
thanks hackerballs for your reply :) i really appreciate it.

1: let us say i wont replace to watercooling - my request should be : OC my CPU to 4.7 ghz ? (and there wont be any heating problems? )

3:then it will cost me 150$ more - my budget is limited... : is it that bad? (the mid tower) - if it is a "must replace" i'll do it...

5: i haven't understand why the i7 3770 is better...is it because of the TDP?
3930k has more cache and 6 cores. i want a six core processor (i was advised once)----tell me if i miss something

7:Surprised you have not got a SSD Sata 3 for your boot drive and apps you need to load FAST
they are too expensive and do not have enough GB for my needs...if it is a must--i'll get one.
let us assume this: internal drive vs SDD , is there a huge difference? ---because the internal drive is connected to the MB,CPU,...unlike the external drive, which make the internal one faster--the question is---is it too slow comparing to a SSD?
check this: Patriot Wildfire PW240GS25SSDR 2.5" 240GB SATA III in my country worth 525$---my samples are 500GB---which means i need two of that SSD---it will cost me 1050$ more XD.
can we avoid that? (i can wait 4 more seconds for the samples to load ;) )

8:i forgot to post my monitor : Samsung SM2233RZ Wide 22" TFT 3D ready ---is it good? ----i just want a good monitor.

as for RAM>>> that's an answer from yahooAnswers :

If you want to know the truth, you will not notice a difference with either
I have never seen any 1600 mhz RAM with CL11. I have 8 GB of it with CL9
I have done benchmark testing with 1600 mhz CL9 RAM vs 1333 mhz CL9 RAM, and believe me, the difference is extremely minimal, and you will not notice it one bit

if that is true ("not much difference",the only phrase that i understand :P...) , then i'll get the 1333 (because 1600 cost too much).

two more questions:
9-can i switch to 1600 later ?
10-can i put 2 chips 1600 and the others 1333 ?...

thanks again

hackerballs
04-19-2012, 08:19 AM
1: average is 4.7 on air with the i7 3930k
3: should only cost you $40 more.....not really needed if you like the mid tower, just more cramped when you work on it (wiring, long gpu cards) etc
5: half the price is better for close performance in these cpu's...........but you have your heart set on the 3930k.........no problem with that 6 core
7: Mine writes (500mb) and reads at (550) http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-vertex-3-max-iops-sata-iii-2-5-ssd.html yours at just over 100....very slow and not even WD blacks.............I would not put a green in for my main drive
8: if you like eye strain with a small 22 inch......your option....I would go for 24 inch, not much more money

just that 1600 is the sweet spot....for about the same price.......yes, its hard to notice any difference but you say you render and animation...............

9: sure, no problem $$$$$$$$
10: no, that would not work..make a matching kit

eddy25
04-19-2012, 09:17 AM
thanks m8

when you say " main drive" , you mean the one that contains win7,program files,.... ?
if yes... i don't care alot about this one because my samples will be on the other drive---
7: what do you recommend (internal HDD) to be put as the main drive?
here's the link of the workstation builder company:
http://www.pcandparts.com/price.htm

press ctrl F and type HDD -- there are two brands, WD and seagate---tell me which you recommend for my main drive and the other one.

i don't want a SSD-- too expensive.

thanks for your time

jlreich
04-19-2012, 09:29 AM
3. Any high performance machine should be in a full tower. Airflow is just so much better. Especially if you plan on overclocking.

7. Definitely not a green drive for a main drive. Generally speaking they are for data storage only. I am not a fan of SSD's because of the price per gig, but in your case it would be great for a scratch disk and it could really help with render times. Not required but recommended for rendering workstations. But without a doubt you want a 7200 RPM drive for the main drive. Honestly, a green drive really has no place in a workstation machine.

1600... Any low cost upgrade like this is always helpful for a high performance machine. 1600 is mainstream, I would recommend even faster ram for a high performance machine if you can afford it.

Monitor. Your preference. I will say that two or more monitors for a workstation makes things very nice. You just don't know until how nice it is until you have it. But that can always be added later on.

eddy25
04-19-2012, 11:12 AM
thanks jlreich

so---do i choose 2 WD black 1TB 7200 rpm each ?

-can i put 3 of these : Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C9D3B1K2/8GX instead of Patriot PV7324G1333ELHK Viper II Sector 7 24GB (6 x 4GB) PC3-10666 (1333MHz) Enhanced Latency Kit

the case i have selected supports up tp 10 fans---and with the help of the coolers, i think there wont be a heating problem--correct me if my assumptions are wrong.

thanks for your time

hackerballs
04-20-2012, 08:07 AM
if one only had that too chose from, I would go with the WD (5 year warrenty) Black............. I would still go with a SSd for my main drive (windows 7) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227706 and only get one WD storage drive too start with

Yes, you should be able to populate with 3 of the same RAM kits

Put in lots of fan coolers...............positive pressure will result in less dust............your main worry will be the heat from the cpu and how much OC'ing and how well seated the cooler is......should be fine

eddy25
04-20-2012, 08:36 AM
thanks hackerballs

man--check these 2:

1-Western digital black :1TB WD1002FAEX 7200RPM S-ATA II 64MB Black Edition
2-Seagate : 1TB ST1000DM003 7200RPM S-ATA III 64MB

the seagate is S-ATA 3 , unlike the WD which is S-ATA 2. i don't care about the brand name.i'll save 100$ if i go with the seagate which i think it's better--- what do you suggest?

-i'm thinking that 4.2Ghz Overclocking would be fine to avoid heat---anyway i'll put fans as much as i can afford.

hackerballs
04-20-2012, 06:05 PM
always save a hundred if you can and the sata 3 should be faster also...........(I have mine @ 4.5ghz with no heat issues at all on air) fill it up with fans they are cheap, lol

eddy25
04-21-2012, 03:51 AM
i want to ask you 2 final questions :) :

1-does normal applications cause cpu heating if it is OCed? or just when i render big animation scences for example...then the cpu gives me all his power 4.6ghz..and then there will be heat?...

2-my motherboard supports up tp 32GB ram memory---can i put 4 of this :
Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C9D3B1K2/8GX without having any problems?

thanks for your replies man :D

hackerballs
04-21-2012, 05:27 PM
1: heat is direct relation to how much % the cpu is using at one time......could get the sidebar to show that

2: tell me how you can squeeze 8 sticks into 4 slots? They make MB's in advance of the cheap RAM sticks......right now 4 gig sticks are cheap and 8 gig sticks are not cheap...............If you wanted 32 gig RAM........you would have to go with 4 x 8 gig RAM sticks http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&SrchInDesc=32%20g%20kit&Page=1&PageSize=20 check this page out as they are coming down in price

eddy25
04-22-2012, 05:37 AM
hmmm..thanks man
i gathered these links -- they are all 4 sticks /8GB/ 1600/ but different brands and a bit different in price. can you recommend any brand ?

1- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ST08P6242
2- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144562
3- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226315
4- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231490

hackerballs
04-22-2012, 10:57 AM
you decide...............they will all do the job.......pick a brand you like (Muskin I like)

eddy25
04-22-2012, 11:54 AM
thanks man
i really appreciate your help


anthony

rond36
04-26-2012, 10:14 AM
Has anyone noticed that the Intel DP67BG motherboard has an LGA 1155 CPU socket, and the Intel i7-3930K (Sandy Bridge-E) CPU fits in an LGA 2011 socket? The motherboard and CPU are not compatible! If he is having it built by pcandparts.com they should catch the problem. If he is buying parts and building it himself it is a major problem.


check this: Patriot Wildfire PW240GS25SSDR 2.5" 240GB SATA III in my country worth 525$ What country?

hackerballs
04-26-2012, 06:33 PM
I thought I had him talked into the 1155 MB with a possible i7 2770k, ivy bridge.................never thought to mention that about the MB he picked out.........

good catch if he still wants the i7 3730k

rond36
04-27-2012, 12:12 PM
Even if he bought the Intel DP67BG and the i7 3770k the chance that the BIOS on the motherboard fresh out of the box will support that processor is about nil!

With Ivy Bridge comes a CPU die shrink and maybe a v-core drop. If he decided to buy the i7 3770K he would be better off with a 70 series (B75, Z75, H77, Z77...) chipset board, it would have a better chance of supporting that processor without a BIOS update.

If he still wants the the Intel i7-3930K (Sandy Bridge-E) he will need a socket LGA 2011 motherboard with an Intel X79 chipset

eddy25
04-28-2012, 10:33 AM
wooow!
fortunately, i haven't assembled my PC yet--and I haven't sent the e-mail to PCandParts-
i went back here to ask questions on CPU and Motherboard compatibility-and i found a new debate in this thread.

i was thinking to switch to i7-2600K --it's half the price-- and since i'm planning to put 32GB of RAM.
now...the supported memory types of the i7-2600k are 1066/1333.
as for the Intel DP67BG , it supports 1066/1333/ and 1600 memory types.

questions:
1-are the cpu and the MB compatible ?
2-can i put 4 memory sticks /8GB/ DDR3 1600 ?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA0ST08P6242
3-is there a better solution?
4-how much should i OC the i7-2600k?
5-is there a huge difference between 4 cores and six cores?
6-any other advices ?...

rond36
04-28-2012, 01:26 PM
1-The i7-2600K is compatible with the Intel DP67BG motherboard without a BIOS update.
http://processormatch.intel.com/CompDB/SearchResult.aspx?BoardName=DP67BG

2-32GB using 4 X 8GB is max for that motherboard read the memory requirements here. (http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/dp67bg/sb/CS-031957.htm#tested)

3-Yes there are better solutions but it will cost more money.

4-Generally it is not a good idea to overclock a workstation, but you can if you want. Overclocking causes instability and can cause it to crash.

5-There won't be a huge difference between 4 cores and 6 cores, but there will be a difference.

6-I couldn't get the link to the memory to work. Is this the right item?
AVEXIR Standard DDR3-1600 32GB (8GB X4) CL10 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ST08P6242&Tpk=9SIA0ST08P6242) I have never heard of that company before, but it has a lifetime warranty.

saphalline
04-28-2012, 04:57 PM
i'm not a professional in PC assembling,so i'm hoping to get advices from this forum before i send the e-mail of my specs for the workstation builder.
(maybe you're wondering why i don't get advices from the WS builder ;well , i just want to gather information from people that have experienced all the threads and are capable of offering the best solutions)
i have alot of questions - i'm building a PC for music production and animation.

here is my assembladge:

-Case : Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced RC-692A-KKN5 Mid Tower ATX USB3.0 Version
-CPU : 3.20 GHz - i7-3930K
-Motherboard : : intel DP67BG w/Sound+SATA+1GB Lan+Firewire+Raid+PCIe+WIFI & Bluetooth Adapter/ Two SuperSpeed USB 3.0 ports / Support for up to 32 GB of system memory/ Fourteen USB 2.0 ports
-MEMORY: KINGSTON DDR3 1333, 24GB RAM (6 x 4GB)
-Display Card: EVGA 02G-P3-1469-KR GeForce GTX560 2GB DDR5 Dual w/TV
-Power Supply: Cooler Master RS-850-AMBA-J3 Silent Pro M850 850W
-memory cooler: Thermaltake CL-R0028 V1R Memory Cooler
-CPU Cooler : Thermaltake CLP0564 Frio for LGA1366, LGA1156/5& LGA775 CPU Cooler
-VGA Cooler : Thermaltake CL-G0103 SOrb VGA Cooler
-2x Internal Drives: 1TB WD10EZRX ~7200RPM S-ATAIII 64MB
-HDD coolers : Cooler Master 4-in-3 Device Module for 4X HDD
-DVD WRITER: LG: SUPER MULTI DUAL LAYER 22X
CASE MERCURY KM 88
Beyond what rond36 has said, do we even know what software will be used on this system??

Animation software? Music production? Should we be adding a workstation-class graphics card or professional-class audio card? We should probably at least check the software's min req's and validated hardware lists. Getting caught up in hardware for hardware's sake ignores the fact that a workstation is a TOOL, first and foremost.

eddy25
04-29-2012, 04:42 AM
Beyond what rond36 has said, do we even know what software will be used on this system??

Animation software? Music production? Should we be adding a workstation-class graphics card or professional-class audio card? We should probably at least check the software's min req's and validated hardware lists. Getting caught up in hardware for hardware's sake ignores the fact that a workstation is a TOOL, first and foremost.

Saphalline,
i already own the softrares and they are already insltalled on an i3 3.2ghz 4gb GT210...
. they work perfectly...why do i need a bigger machine?

1:for music production: when i'm working on a composition, everytime i add an instrument the i3 yells at me:Ahhhh! watch out man! stop adding instruments! (the memory runs low)
is there an another solution for this?...yes.....freezing and unfreezing instruments,which takes alot of time and the music piece will be done after 3 months,after my eyes would be melt and the music starts to piss me off...XD
i was adviced to go with 24GB+ RAM in the Virtual music forum.


2:For animation: i'm an amateur in animation. i have autodesk softwares running perfectly...but why do i need a bigger machine?
If i want to render with my specs , it takes 1 months per minute and the i3 starts coughing,and then dying,....

conclusion:I want an i7 with alot of RAM and Good VGA.my budget is 3000$.that's is my simple knoledge in PCs, and that is my simple complication in buidling this PC.

eddy25
04-29-2012, 05:01 AM
1-The i7-2600K is compatible with the Intel DP67BG motherboard without a BIOS update.
http://processormatch.intel.com/CompDB/SearchResult.aspx?BoardName=DP67BG

2-32GB using 4 X 8GB is max for that motherboard read the memory requirements here. (http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/dp67bg/sb/CS-031957.htm#tested)

3-Yes there are better solutions but it will cost more money.

4-Generally it is not a good idea to overclock a workstation, but you can if you want. Overclocking causes instability and can cause it to crash.

5-There won't be a huge difference between 4 cores and 6 cores, but there will be a difference.

6-I couldn't get the link to the memory to work. Is this the right item?
AVEXIR Standard DDR3-1600 32GB (8GB X4) CL10 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ST08P6242&Tpk=9SIA0ST08P6242) I have never heard of that company before, but it has a lifetime warranty.

thanks for your reply rond36

1:man...what does BIOS means?Why should i update it?

2:i know that my MB supports up to 32gb ram (4x8gb)---the question is :
do i get the 1600 DDR3 or the 1333 DDR3. as i said before, the cpu supports the 1333 DDR3 , on the other hand, the MB suports the 1600 chips...which hardware has the authority to decide which RAM to choose?

3:can we say..it will cost more or less ? :(

4:I wont Overclock it after hearing this.

6: yes, that is the item.

eddy25
04-29-2012, 06:18 AM
i assume this will be the solution for the i7 3930k :

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dx79to.html

i need feedbacks on this

rond36
04-29-2012, 11:37 AM
1:man...what does BIOS means?Why should i update it?
The BIOS is the Basic Input Output System. It is a software program that is stored on an EEPROM (Electrically Erasable and Programmable Read Only Memory) chip that is in a socket or soldered on the motherboard.

The BIOS is software that lies between the operating system and the hardware on the motherboard, or attached to expansion slots. It tells the OS what hardware is available, and how to access it.

The BIOS is the first software program that runs when you turn on your PC. It first initializes the CPU and main memory and polls the video BIOS to get the video card's operating parameters. Your monitor should now be displaying a logo screen, or the BIOS information screen if the logo screen is turned off in BIOS settings. If BIOS detects that the system has a RAID card it will poll the RAID BIOS and it will initialize the RAID array so that it can be available as a boot device.

Next the BIOS will run the POST (Power On Self Test) routine checking if all the other hardware is working correctly, initialize the disk drives, and assign IRQ and DMA channels to devices that need them.

BIOS will poll the disk drives that are selected in settup under boot order to find a bootable device. Once BIOS finds a bootable device you will hear a beep (if you have a speaker on your board) indicating a successful POST.

After a successful POST the BIOS will hand the boot process over to the operating system bootstrap and the OS will begin to load.

You should only update your BIOS if it is needed to support new hardware or to fix an improper parameter(bug) in the BIOS that you are running.

Every CPU has micro code embedded in it that the BIOS reads. The code tells the BIOS what CPU it is, and BIOS loads the parameters that it have been programed for that CPU. In some cases the BIOS may not correctly identify the CPU but loads parameters that are close enough to allow it to boot far enough to get to BIOS settup so that you can correct the parameters and flash the BIOS to a newer version that has been programed to identify your CPU.

If I put one of my Xeon X5690 CPUs in a desktop board the BIOS will identify it as a Core i7-990X Extreme Edition.

I think if you tried to put an Ivy Bridge CPU on an older Sandy Bridge board the BIOS would fail at the CPU initialization phase and you would need to buy or barrow a Sandy Bridge CPU to get it to boot far enough to flash the BIOS to a version that supports Ivy Bridge.


2:i know that my MB supports up to 32gb ram (4x8gb)---the question is :
do i get the 1600 DDR3 or the 1333 DDR3. as i said before, the cpu supports the 1333 DDR3 , on the other hand, the MB suports the 1600 chips...which hardware has the authority to decide which RAM to choose?

The faster the better! Just because you install DDR3 1600 doesn't mean it will default to running at DDR3 1600. You could install DDR3 2666 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231596) but it may run at DDR3 1333 speed until you adjust the BIOS settings telling it to run faster. Memory will almost always be able to run slower then its rated speed, but getting it to run faster then its rated speed is much harder.

The motherboard and BIOS settings have the authority to decide which RAM to choose.


3:can we say..it will cost more or less ?
You can spend as much as you want.


4:I wont Overclock it after hearing this.
Overclocking is fine as long as you realize that you don't get something for nothing. Like saphalline said a workstation is a tool. A gaming PC is a toy and you can play with the settings all you want, if it crashes you don't loose several hours worth of work.

Intel Desktop Board DX79TO would be a good board for the Intel i7-3930K (Sandy Bridge-E)

eddy25
04-29-2012, 06:38 PM
Thanks alot Rond26, I really appreciate your explanation.

so...the BIOS adjustment and the memory configuration...etc...are executed by the workstation builder (PCandParts) ?? (does they know what to do?...i wont ask them :P ---it's very awkward) lol
Or do they wait for my requests ? (How would you like to configure your BIOS,...)
what do i tell them exactly after they assemble my PC? what would you tell them if you have these specs...i7 3930k, DX79TO,DDR3 1600,GTX 560...

because i don't know how to configure and update BIOS,OC cpu,...


i have checked your Xeon X5690 http://ark.intel.com/products/52576/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5690-(12M-Cache-3_46-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI)

i want you to check the memory type--it is noted : DDR3-800/1066/1333

what does that mean ? how is that related to the motherBoard?

which MB do you recommend for the i7 2600k ? (without having the BIOS updating problem)


thanks again

saphalline
04-29-2012, 11:25 PM
If i want to render with my specs , it takes 1 months per minute and the i3 starts coughing,and then dying,....

conclusion:I want an i7 with alot of RAM and Good VGA.This is PRECISELY my point. Autodesk rendering software with a workstation-class graphics card will run in hardware. Check the sys req's for AutoCAD 2013 (http://usa.autodesk.com/autocad/system-requirements/), for instance.

You do not want a GeForce or Radeon HD. You want a Quadro or FirePro 3D.

eddy25
04-30-2012, 05:50 AM
The only Game that i'm waiting for is Assassin's Creed III. after i red a few threads, the quad600 is not for gaming.

Is there a display card for both animation and gaming ?

I've red threads comparing quadro vs gtx :

some say that the Quad600 is a waist of $$$ , and if i want a good Quadro card, i should be heading for the 2000 series and above.
they said that the GTX 560 is versatile, and can acclerate both gaming and animation.
take a look at this :
Quadro 600 1GB DDR3 vs GeForce GTX560 2GB DDR5.

if I want to compare...i would say, GTX is better because it's DDR5 and has 2 GB. Is that stupid ? :P

any suggestion ?

here is the list :

XFX Radeon HD 6950 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $265.00 PX-55
Asus ENGTX580/DCII/2DIS/1536MD5 GeForce GTX 580 1.5GB DDR5 N/A PX-00 XFX Radeon HD 6790 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $168.00 PX-56
Asus ENGTX570 DCII/2DIS/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 570 1.25GB DDR5 N/A PX-01 XFX Radeon HD 6670 1GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $91.00 PX-61
Asus ENGTX560 DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 1GB DDR5 N/A PX-02 XFX Radeon HD 6450 2GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $72.00 PX-62
Asus ENGTX550 TI DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 550Ti 1GB DDR5 $149.00 PX-03 XFX Radeon HD 5830 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $195.00 PX-63
Asus Geforce ENGTS450 DC SL/DI/1GD3 GTS450 1GB DDR3 Silent N/A PX-05 XFX Radeon HD 5570 2GB DDR3 Dual w/TV N/A PX-65
Asus Geforce GT520 2GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $65.00 PX-06 XFX Radeon HD 4650 1GB DDR2 Dual w/TV $66.00 PX-66
Asus Geforce GT440 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $117.00 PX-08 XFX Radeon HD 4550 1GB DDR2 Dual w/TV $57.00 PX-67
Asus Geforce GT430 1GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $68.00 PX-09 Gigabyte GV-N580UD-15I GeForce GTX 580 1.5GB DDR5 Dual N/A PX-68
Asus Geforce EN210SILENT/DI/1GD3/V2 GT210 1GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $47.00 PX-10 Gigabyte GV-N560OC-1Gl GeForce GTX 560Ti 1GB DDR5 $279.00 PX-70
Asus Radeon EAH6850 DC/2DIS/1GD5 HD6850 1GB DDR5 $181.00 PX-11 Gigabyte GV-N560UD-1Gl GeForce GTX 560Ti 1GB DDR5 $259.00 PX-72
Asus Radeon EAH5450 SILENT/DI/1GD3 HD5450 1GB DDR3 $48.00 PX-12 Gigabyte GV-N56GOC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 1GB DDR5 $214.00 PX-73
Asus EN7800GTX/2DHTV Geforce 7800GTX 256MB DDR3 Dual w/TV $80.00 PX-13 Gigabyte GV-N550OC-1GI GeForce GTX 550Ti 1GB DDR5 N/A PX-74
Asus ATI Radeon EAX1800XT 512MB DDR3 w/TV Vivo $85.00 PX-15 Gigabyte GV-N450TC-1GI Geforce GTS450 up to 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $125.00 PX-75
Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB GDDR5 Eyefinity $822.00 PX-18 Gigabyte GV-N440TC-1GI Geforce GT440 up to 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $88.00 PX-76
Sapphire Radeon HD 6970 2GB GDDR5 Eyefinity $550.00 PX-19 Gigabyte GV-N520TC-1GI Geforce GT520 up to 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $58.00 PX-77
Sapphire Radeon HD6850 2GB GDDR5 Eyefinity Toxic edition $275.00 PX-24 Gigabyte GV-R685D5-1GD ATI Radeon HD 6850 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV n/a PX-78
Sapphire Radeon HD6850 1GB GDDR5 Eyefinity Toxic edition $259.00 PX-25 Gigabyte GV-R675OC-1GI ATI Radeon HD 6750 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV N/A PX-79
Sapphire Radeon HD6770 1GB DDR5 Eyefinity FleX edition $198.00 PX-27 Gigabyte GV-R657OC-1GI ATI Radeon HD 6570 1GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $92.00 PX-80
Sapphire Radeon HD6570 2GB DDR3 $98.00 PX-28 Inno3D Geforce GTX 580 3GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $624.00 PX-81
Sapphire Radeon HD6450 2GB DDR3 $79.00 PX-29 Inno3D Geforce GTX 570 1.2GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $485.00 PX-82
Sapphire Radeon HD6450 1GB DDR3 $60.00 PX-30 Inno3D GeForce GTX 560Ti 2GB DDR5 $315.00 PX-83
Sapphire Radeon HD5450 1GB DDR3 $54.00 PX-31 Inno3D GeForce GTX 560Ti 1GB DDR5 $272.00 PX-84
MSI GeForce N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II 2GB DDR5 $306.00 PX-32 Inno3D GeForce GTX 550Ti 2GB DDR5 $215.00 PX-85
MSI GeForce N550GTX-TI-MD1GD5 GeForce GTX 550Ti 1GB DDR5 N/A PX-33 Inno3D GeForce GTX 550Ti 1GB DDR5 $162.00 PX-86
MSI GeForce N520GT MD1GD3/LP Geforce GT520 1GB DDR3 Dual $65.00 PX-35 Inno3D Geforce GTX 460 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $218.00 PX-87
MSI R6670 MD1GD5 Radeon HD6670 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $125.00 PX-38 Inno3D Geforce GTS 450 2GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $199.00 PX-88
MSI R6570 MD1GD3/LP Radeon HD 6570 1GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $94.00 PX-39 Inno3D Geforce GTS 450 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $165.00 PX-89
MSI R6450 MD1GD3/LP Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $63.00 PX-40 Inno3D Geforce GT430 4GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $99.00 PX-90
Matrox M9148 1GB Quad Monitor Support $689.00 PX-41 Inno3D Geforce GT430 1GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $87.00 PX-91
Matrox M9138 1GB Triple monitor support $479.00 PX-42 Inno3D Geforce GT440 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $127.00 PX-92
Matrox M9120 512MB Dual Monitor Support $291.00 PX-43 Inno3D Geforce GT520 2GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $74.00 PX-93
Matrox M9120 Plus 512MB Dual / Quad Monitor Support $369.00 PX-44 Inno3D Geforce GT520 1GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $65.00 PX-94
Matrox Quad analog upgrade cable for M9120 Plus $116.00 PX-45 Inno3D Geforce GT210 1GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $44.00 PX-95
EVGA 02G-P3-1469-KR GeForce GTX560 2GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $285.00 PX-48 Inno3D Geforce PCX 8400GS 512MB w/TV $39.00 PX-98
EVGA 020-P3-1559-KR GeForce GTX 550Ti 2GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $199.00 PX-49 PNY Quadro 5000 2.5GB DDR5 w/TV Email PX-99
EVGA Geforce GT520 1GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $60.00 PX-50 PNY Quadro 4000 2GB DDR5 w/TV Email PX-100
EVGA Geforce GT430 1GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $80.00 PX-51 PNY Quadro 2000 1GB DDR5 w/TV $559.00 PX-101
XFX Geforce GT520 2GB DDR3 Dual w/TV $65.00 PX-52 PNY Quadro 600 1GB DDR3 w/TV $235.00 PX-10

saphalline
04-30-2012, 11:08 AM
Is there a display card for both animation and gaming ?Definitely not. The BIOS's and drivers for each are wholly different. One is designed for speed, the other for precision.

Most rendering software companies today do not even bother validating gaming cards. Way too much effort with all the GPUs out there today. And AMD and nVidia only work with them on the Quadro's and FirePro 3D's, anyway.

The real problem is that rendering software interfaces poorly with gaming cards even though the GPUs themselves are identical to the ones on workstation-class cards. It all comes down to the BIOS's and drivers. While a workstation-class card using the same GPU often costs 2-3 times as much, the performance in rendering software is often 3-5 times as fast. Then again, for gaming, a workstation-class card will fall flat on its face, and the gaming cards will flip that ratio on its head. Used to be that you could use the same card for both tasks, but not anymore. It was too costly to maintain.

Since you will be gaming, it will be best to choose the cheaper route and go for a gaming card. But for future reference, you would be best served by building two separate systems for these disparate tasks.

eddy25
04-30-2012, 05:43 PM
Thanks Saphalline

i think the GTX 560 will be fine for me since i'm not an expert in animation.i will count on it and render small scenes.

my question is :
Is it good for Photoshop digital art (2D art)? (let us assume putting 30 layers..)

saphalline
05-05-2012, 12:45 PM
Is it good for Photoshop digital art (2D art)? (let us assume putting 30 layers..)Yes. It should even be compatible with certain GPGPU features in PS.