still haveing problems networking win98-winxp pro

[josemavicente]

hi again!

i set the IP addys of both computers already to:

win98:
192.168.0.1
255.255.255.0

winxp pro:
192.168.0.2
255.255.255.0

but still no connection. i followed the link someone gave to me saying you have to login with win98 using the same user-password as winxp orp. i did that and still no network. both computers can see just themselves (computer1 sees only cpu1 and likewise), so theres nothing wrong with the cable. bot of them have the same "Mshome" workgroup.

in network propoerties, which tcp-ip adapter am i supposed to edit? coz there are two:

TCP-IP Dial-Up Adapter
TCP-IP Realtek RTL8139A blah blah blah...

i gave BOTH of them the same config and still nada. help! =)

i am aware its supposed to be hard to network winxp with win98.

myother option is upgrading the other computer to winxp but its only a PentiumMMX,. What do you think? its got a 32mbpci savage 3dcard and 131mb ram. 20gig hard drive.

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Jayvee Fernandez
"Structure is the function of logic."

[diurnal]

TCP-IP Realtek RTL8139A
This one is the one you edit. Seems all the parameters are set correctly.
Did you use the network wizard that xp does, if so that could have mess up the network. Try renaming the workgroup as Workgroup instead of MSHOME. Try this link alsohere (http://www.wown.com/)
cya

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[bassman]

Hey Jayvee,
Just because they can only see themselves is not an indication that the cable is fine. This would be an indication that the cable is bad.
Your addresses are fine, if workgroup is the same on both, and computer name is different on each, then I would check to see if you have any lights on the NICs and double check your cable for correct configuration and continuity.

I would also recommend installing the "NetBEUI" protocal.

I don't know that it is actualy hard to network, just so many things that need to be JUST RIGHT or no go.

As for upgrading the older machine, don't know that would really help at this point. More of a personal prefference.
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[sea69]

bassman "NetBEUI" protocol is not supported in winXP, (they say).

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this is interesting as I was thinking it would be relatively simple to network w/ winXP to win9x.

I take it josemavicente that you have (2) two NIC's in the machine you are serving from??




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[josemavicente]

hi! sorry for the late replies! had a really long familty reunion!! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

1. doesnt windows xp already have the NEtBEUI component installed?

2. can you explain what the "light on the NIC" means? whats an NIC? im not very familiar with that term.

3. hmmm i shall try the other things you guys reccomend when i get home still at the office right now http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

4. i have a strong sixth sense feeling i didnt snap the cable into place right. in any case, i shall post again when i arrive home...which is gonna be at 9:00PM (its exactly 8:52AM here!) damn time differential!!! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Jayvee Fernandez
"Structure is the function of logic."

[mjc]

jose,

NIC = Network Interface Card...and there should be little lights on the card.

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[josemavicente]

oh you mean the LAN card i stuck into my PCI slot right? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

the lights are supposed to be on when cable is attached?

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Jayvee Fernandez
"Structure is the function of logic."

[buck52]

Howdy

I'm no network guru but can tell you that I have XP and 98SE
networked together with no trouble

Network cards in both...I am using a router so I can share my broadband connection...I have the 98 machine set to Microsoft family logon and in XP I have client for MS logon checked as well as file and printer sharing turn on in both.

In control panel under network connections in XP you can click on setting up a small home or office network that brings up a wizard that might be of help

good luck

buck



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[mjc]

Yep, the LAN card and yep the lights should be on when the card and the cable are proerly inserted/connected....

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[sea69]

are we to assume that you have run the winXP connection wizard on all machines you want to connect??



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[josemavicente]

1. i dont run the winxp networking wizards. i never have and will never in the future http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

2. ok im still at the office and will check up on the things you said. so i did everything said already. maybe the problem could be with the cable...

3. proof of LAN card working: i can create multiplayer games in both computers since the LAN cards get detected. is this good enought proof that the individual LAN cards work? coz usually it will say "no lan network detected" but it did.

4. do i really have to follow the same user-password logon for both systems?

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Jayvee Fernandez
"Structure is the function of logic."

[josemavicente]

do i also have to install NETBEUI??? from the link given in the wrld of windows networking, it says either install tcp-ip or NEtBEUI. but doesnt winxp use tcp-ip by default?


thanks so much! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Jayvee Fernandez
"Structure is the function of logic."

[diurnal]

No you dont need to install NETBEUI , and windows default protocol is TCP/IP. So you dont need to configure anymore, just changing the ip and subnet is all you need to do. Something is not hook up right for one, do you have a hub and can you test it somehow. Also Like bassman said could be a loose cable, or bad cable. see if you can get another one or test the cable on another machine.

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[buck52]

On the XP machine when you go to control panel and click on network connections
does it show your NIC card( it should also say if it is enabled) and if you right click on it and select properties are tcp/ip, file sharing,the nic card and Client for all checked

buck

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[sea69]

1. i dont run the winxp networking wizards. i never have and will never in the future

well, you're on your own then (and why you aren't connected), cause that's the way it's supposed to be done.

ESPECIALLY when you don't know how to do it otherwise!


you are supposed to run it in winxp and also run the XP Wizard in the other OS's as well.

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edit: but I will give you a hint; if you are using two NICS in your HOST machine then you need to bridge your NICS connections.


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[josemavicente]

wil try what you guys told me....except the wizard. the wizards messed up my ME connections before, adding things I could not keep track of.

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Jayvee Fernandez
"Structure is the function of logic."

[josemavicente]

no offense meant to the one who posted re using wizards. im sure some of you wil agree that using a wizard does not help much. i used to rely on them but still to no avail.

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Jayvee Fernandez
"Structure is the function of logic."

[josemavicente]

i have a feeling the cable is lose/faulty

evidence: i booted once and there was a connection detected

i booted after that five minutes later and then "no network connection" came up on the bottom right taskbar.
i shall look.

using a cable tester will work right? my friend has one -- i shall borrow.

thanks!!!!!!!!

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Jayvee Fernandez
"Structure is the function of logic."

[sea69]

Originally posted by josemavicente:
no offense meant to the one who posted re using wizards. im sure some of you wil agree that using a wizard does not help much. i used to rely on them but still to no avail.



not to be rude to you either however-

you are not dealing with ME now, you are dealing with a totally different animal XP, what worked (or didn't work) in winME is irrelevant.


if you are networking an XP computer to a winME computer you need to run the winXP wizard in winME as well.. not the winME wizard. You run it first on the host machine, and then on all networked machines.

and as XP is to be the HOST you need to play by the XP rules.

the old rules do no longer apply here.

good luck, but if you cannot try what is suggested than I don't know how we can help you further (maybe others will feel inclined)

the wizard does everything for you (if you have the hardware correct)


and as you cannot get it connected by not doing it as suggested, then you may want to consider trying it.

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[This message has been edited by sea69 (edited 02-18-2002).]

[josemavicente]

ok!!! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[buck52]

If you find that your cables are OK
Here's one more link to look at if you haven't already

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/addxp.htm

buck

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[sea69]

please note the the link above is for "Top Ten Rules for Adding Windows XP to an Existing Network"

perhaps I didn't read well enough, there was an existing network?

I was under the impression that he wanted to share a connection with an XP computer to one other that was not already networked.

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[This message has been edited by sea69 (edited 02-18-2002).]

[buck52]

sea

I think you read fine...If he is still insistent on not using the wizard I thought perhaps he could use the info on that link. I would not think that XP has to know that the other machine is networked but maybe that's not good thinking.

buck http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[sea69]

Buck- who knows??

I would just like to see him get all connected any way that works is good.

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I'm gonna do this with a win98se machine I have laying here just to see if what I'm 'preachin' works!

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[josemavicente]

STUPID IS ME!

it worked. the only problem was that the tcp-ip protocols had different subnet masks!!! argh!!! i should review my settings!

thanks for all the help!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*if i had used the wizard, this would not have happened. see? i admit my pride! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Jayvee Fernandez
"Structure is the function of logic."

[sea69]

as an update on my end-

I was interested in making sure that what I was telling you actually would work

everything was AMAZINGLY simple the win98se machine and winxp pro connected perfectly.

my only problem is Zone Alarm pro, I seem to need it to be set to medium or the win98 pc will not be able to go anywhere.

will be working on figuring that one out too!

glad you got connected!

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[josemavicente]

follow ups:

what if in my win98se machine i dont use the same log-on name as the one in winxp pro for networking? will i stil be able to connect?

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Jayvee Fernandez
"Structure is the function of logic."

[sea69]

yes

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