Forward message with animated gif?

[kayofcircles]

I got a cute message with an animated gif of a gray mouse um er "interacting" with a puter mouse in my Hotmail box. Email too big to send along to dial up friends, but cannot get the animated gif to "forward" to my son (cable)..all that goes is the text part. Tried saving the gif..only option is to save as "bitmap" so lose movement. Tried saving the "page" via the File Save As box..also no luck. Properties only lists where I currently am..ie Hotmail box. Clicked on the actual file name in Attachment box, and the actual pic in message body..no joy. Tried Google search on gif name, but no success there either. I did manage to save an animated gif that Sea made, and sent to my Hotmail box, so does anyone know why I can save some, but not others? Or even why I am only getting the option to save as a bitmap this time?

[bassman]

Hi Kay,
Funny you brought this up.I was just getting ready to drop you a line and ask if you knew why the save-as options were gone. I have lost this too along with the ability to "View Source" in Internet Explorer, again.

I have been saving quite a few images lately trying to get a library built up, and just noticed that I lost some format options (gif,.jpg), actualy everything except .art and Bitmap.

The workaround I use is, save as art, open with I.E., copy and paste into Paint or other image editing tool.

I'm with you in that I would like to know why I keep loosing this.

Someone pleeeeaaaasssse help us http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[Vic 970]

had a similar thing a while back, not being able to save as .jpg

turned out due to an update that I d/l'd: found the fix on MS site

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Regards..,
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[Paul Komski]

Kay As far as I can tell, when you forward an "embedded" image from Hotmail (from its Website - and even if you have formatting set to rtf there) it will only send the text "around" the image. However if you have the hotmail account setup in OE then as long as the format is set to rtf you can forward or send embedded images just fine. Also at the website it seems you can only save as .bmp but on OE you can save as .gif as well! But don't ask me why. So I'm guessing you are using the Hotmail site to access you mail and that you could solve this problem by opening the same account in OE. When you select these images to copy/paste them I'm guessing that it is copying the underlying HTML in some "corrupted" fashion and not the image per se.

Bassman I posted on this same problem a whileback HERE (http://www.pcguide.com/ubb/Forum15/HTML/000790.html) and I eventually solved the problem thus:

...there was a suggestion of copying Notepad.exe to the Internet Explorer Folder. I did that, not expecting it to work, but it did work!!! View Source immediately opened into Notepad. But more amazing was that after deleting the copied existence of Notepad.exe, it has continued to work!! - now isnt that a strange one!?!

Be interesting to see if it works for you. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

Let us know how you both get on.

An afterthought: which versions of IE are you using coz IE6 seems to be causing a lot of weird phenomena?

[This message has been edited by Paul Komski (edited 02-15-2002).]

[bassman]

Hey Vic and Paul,
Thanks for the tips, I will look into both.
Vic, if you have a link to the page with that fix, sure would appriciate it. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/cool.gif
I will dig around to see if I can find it.
Paul, yes I have 6.0. This is the second time it's happened now http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/mad.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/mad.gif And it only happens in IE, not AOL. Last time, I tried to upgrade IE with an AT&T disk and distroyed Windows. Total loss http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/mad.gif

Anyway, thanks again gents http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/cool.gif

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[This message has been edited by bassman (edited 02-15-2002).]

[buck52]

bassman

I have IE6 and fortunately have not had this problem yet but have seen it brought up quite a few times.

here's one link I have seen mentioned

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?id=kb;en-us;Q260650

buck

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[bassman]

Paul, well, the copying notepad to IE folder didn't work http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif and I haven't found anything else on KB.

Buck52 Thanks. although those are some good tips, the didn't work in my case. I cleared my cache and now only have one option to save as http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif (.bmp) on some pages. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif ?? I will try some more pages to see if I can find some that work.

Kay??? Anything for you yet?
Sorry for jumpin in on your post http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Well Buck, it seems that clearing my cache did work. Thank you so much.
Maybe I should increase the folder size a bit http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif

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[This message has been edited by bassman (edited 02-15-2002).]

[Paul Komski]

Bassman; I did do one other thing at around the same time and that was to remove the Edit button on the IE Toolbar and then put it back in again. This got back Word as an HTML editor direct from IE - maybe the notepad thing was just coincidence.


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[buck52]

Bassman

I forgot about this but... I have seen this mentioned as well although I don't think it applies in your case. Some have had to go to folder options>view tab and uncheck hide file extentions for known file types

buck


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[david eaton]

Hi all.
I had similar troubles with IE6. Turns out that the options in Tools/Internet options/programs has been blanked out by something. resetting to the original programs cured it,but I still wonder why they dissapeared. Might help with your "view source" problems but it probably won't!
David:

[Vic 970]

Well here's the links:

http://www.pcguide.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000409.html

My prob was that I could not save as .jpg in paint after d/l an office 2000 update, and the fix is in the link below. You may not be using the progs in question (or done the d/l) but it's possible that the prrob was caused by something else, and maybe the same fixes would apply.


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q299953

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for every question there's an answer. Then a load more questions.
Definition of Upgrade "A means of introducing new bugs to a program to replace the ones that you have eventually found fixes for"

Regards..,
Vic.

[kayofcircles]

Went to buck's link, and the password stuff might apply to my problem in Hotmail..even though I am still back on IE 5, not the mentioned 5.5 and 6 of the article. The problem only occurs for me every once in a long while, and I am beginning to wonder if it's something on the "sending" end. Yesterday, I tried saving the attachment by clicking up on File, Save As, and it brought up a whole different thing about saving as "Web page complete" that I've never fooled with before, but went ahead and did. Had two gif files, one just inside the "Hotmail attachment folder", and one inside another folder in the Hotmail attachment folder. One wouldn't open at all..little x in box..and the other opened in IE, but didn't move. But, I went into PSP's Animation Shop, and the second file opened in frames. So?

Another interesting "clue" is that just now I went to Google, searched for "mouse.gif" under Images, clicked on one of the gif files and got the option to Save as either jpeg or bmp. Clicked on the pic, got to second page where pic bigger, clicked on that and got option to save as gif. Clicked on "show full size" or whatever it says, and again..when clicking, got option to save as gif. Does that point to the source as the problem sometimes as opposed to our browsers?

Vic: Love your sig, as I have said before, and I don't "update" anything unless I have to (like the AVG stuff), or unless it's "broke"...so don't have to worry that an update screwed me up.
Edit: Little embarrassed to read through the post you put link to above. Had forgotten about that, and it was only last Sept. Sigh, they say the mind goes.....

[This message has been edited by kayofcircles (edited 02-16-2002).]

[Vic 970]

Hi Kay,


Have just sent you a .gif which I d/l & saved the other day, see what you can do with it.

this whole business of 'save as' is a bit of a pain, seems to change from day to day.

don't know if the gif will help, but maybe if we see who can & who can't, we might be able to compare settings? don't know but it maybe worth a try.
http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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for every question there's an answer. Then a load more questions.
Definition of Upgrade "A means of introducing new bugs to a program to replace the ones that you have eventually found fixes for"

Regards..,
Vic.

[bassman]

Well, this is just plain crazyness http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
It seems we have a wide range of symptoms and fixes for the same problems.

Kay, it seems to me your problem with being able to "save as" consistantly is multi-part. Source, password, and possibly full cache. Emptying the cache has apparently worked for me http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif When you select an image to save, try looking at the properties first and see if it is infact at the site you are trying to save from. You may find that where you are viewing it at, is not the true source (like all the gifs in the After Hours thread). When you view them there, they are actualy in a directory on another site, not here.

Paul, your tip on removing and resetting the "EDIT" button in the toolbar got me to looking. I am so familiar with just R-clicking and hitting "View source", I never realized there was a button in the toolbar. This does work for me, were-as the "Edit>View source" option in the "Menu bar" does not (same as R-click).

Thanks to all the others who have given suggestions. I have tried everything, and, at leased for me, my problems are solved http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/cool.gif

Kay, I hope we got somewhere for you too http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/cool.gif

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[Paul Komski]

Hehe. This thread did get a little convoluted alright. I only discovered that edit button when I was trying to shortcut saving a webpage first and then opening it into word for HTML editing. Serendipity or what. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Kay], who did after all kick off, since you were able to save the webpage then you are obviously using the Homail login site to access your mail. On that site incoming emails with gifs are dealt with in two ways. Embedded in the body of the eMail and as attachments; embedded images are directly displayed but can't be saved directly as gifs and if you look at the image's properties you will see that it is not a simple url ending in .gif. Although embedded they are also treated as attachments.

There are two ways that I know of to get these images onto your disk. The simple one is to click on the attachment's LINK; this should be at the top of the message for an embedded gif and at both the top and bottom of the message for an attachment. You should then get an option to save it to disk. Secondly, since you can see the image and it is on a webpage it must therefore also be in your TIFF (Temporary Internet Files Folder); so if you then search the TIFF for the file you should find it there and be able to copy and paste it where you want.

If you want to forward the whole eMail including its attachments/embedded images then do it from a Hotmail account within OE ensuring the format is rtf or send the whole email AS AN ATTACHMENT.

I daresay your mouse has got to its destination by snail mail by now!! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Take nice care of yourselves - Paul
Citation du mois: "There are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots."

[kayofcircles]

I am getting thoroughly confused by now. Vic sent a guppy swimming from side to side. Went through same attempts as on mouse...no luck by right clicking on attachment file, no luck by opening/downloading (only option bmp). Right clicked on the guppy inside the message several times, then Properties..kept getting something like "http://lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg?curmbox=F000000001&a=ca4ef2ca3edfc76e4efa32d92c15cd0a&msg=MSG1013455315.19&start=5446&len=86941&mimepart=5" for approx 5 times and then actually got "gif", clicked on Save Pic..and bingo, got it. So? One has to "catch" the animated object??? Also, tried forwarding the guppy and it forwarded just fine..go figure. Tried getting a page in TIF (having trouble with that since is Tagged Image Format to me) to "open" and got a "this could be dangerous to do from here (Windows Explorer)" that intimidated me so I didn't. Did Copy/Paste to Front Page..but no movement..reads as gif, but has lost animation. Did a List Images in Hotmail, and gif is displayed, but listed as unavailable. Took Edit off toolbar long ago, but tried Editing page with Front Page Express..no mouse pic period..just empty box.

Truthfully, probably isn't worth the time..it's just one of those "why can't I do this?" things. And I would be satisfied with an explanation like "because you don't have Direct X 8" or whatever.

[Paul Komski]

Hi Kay don't get confused (says me LOL http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif )! That is interesting that the properties showed the MIME-embedded url (the really long one) 4 or 5 times before deciding that it was a gif after all; and once it had "done the translation/conversion" or was able to point to where the gif was stored, then you could treat it like a gif seen on a normal webpage (which the hotmail site is not - IMHO). Perhaps it just takes a certain length of time for the "standalone" gif designation to fully "load". http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/redface.gif

I'm sure there must be a master-guru out there that can explain this better than me though.

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Take nice care of yourselves - Paul
Citation du mois: "There are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots."

[Vic 970]

Kay,
can't find the site that I got the guppy from, but try the image below, which I d/l and worked ok,

http://www.wsdaents.com/free_computer_user/lady.gif

or here...,
http://www.wsdaents.com/

just thinking if we try the process of elimination we be able to narrow it down a bit..,

there's a free prog here for putting animations & backgrounds into e-mails, have'nt really looked at it much, just grabbed it during search & thought it was worth a look.
http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=10030

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for every question there's an answer. Then a load more questions.
Definition of Upgrade "A means of introducing new bugs to a program to replace the ones that you have eventually found fixes for"

Regards..,
Vic.

[Paul Komski]

Vic there is already a free program that will do this; it's called Outlook Express! It's really easy to open a Hotmail account inside it and then (as long as the formatting is set to rtf) to do all this picture management, backgrounds, forwarding, etc. Your program could be good for other webmail accounts but not necessary for Hotmail. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif


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Take nice care of yourselves - Paul
Citation du mois: "There are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots."

[Vic 970]

Hi Paul Like I said , just trying to narrow things down a bit by trying something else, didn't really look much at the prog, better desc here
http://www.incredimail.com/english/what.html

but I thought if kay can get it to work one way or the other, maybe it will help to compare the differences.

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for every question there's an answer. Then a load more questions.
Definition of Upgrade "A means of introducing new bugs to a program to replace the ones that you have eventually found fixes for"

Regards..,
Vic.

[This message has been edited by Vic 970 (edited 02-17-2002).]

[Paul Komski]

Vic LOL gotcha http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif It's about 5MBdownload otherwise I might have tried it out now. From the FAQ it appears to function similar to OE but with a few extra bells and whistles. I still am awondering if Kay has tried her hotmail in OE, from where (unlike the webmail site) I have been able to save gifs and forward eMails with embedded images (and sounds). The only problem I have had with OE/Hotmail is getting rid of MSN messenger, which loves to appear like a rabbit out of a hat!! (now where's that rabbit gif!!??) Happy hunting! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

P.S. I just tried something out. Sent myself an eMail to hotmail with an embedded animated gif. Went to hotmail(web) using Opera. The pic was displayed but would only save as bmp. Then! Changed settings to "Only View Cached Images" (which can be set in Opera) went back to see same eMail and no pic visible! In other words the gif was not in the cache (in the Temp Internet File Folder if you like) and I guess this is why it could only be saved as a bmp. BTW Sorry for the confusion over TIFF and .tif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif


[This message has been edited by Paul Komski (edited 02-17-2002).]

[kayofcircles]

No, don't want to set up Hotmail in OE for two reasons. One is probably irrational and silly...because I "feel" like if I don't access Hotmail directly from OE, it is not really "in" my puter. Okay, I know, but feels like I am going down to PO to get mail rather than delivered to house. I link directly to box through the Help menu in OE, but still... Secondly, I had Messenger for about a year. First time they upgraded/updated it, it started telling me when I had Hotmail. I thought that was pretty cool. The second time they demanded I upgrade (by pestering me with pop ups until I did), it stopped telling me when I had mail, so when the third "you need to upgrade" started popping up, I just uninstalled it.

I right clicked on lady.gif above..had the URL with lady.gif addy, but said lady.gif at top of Properties page. Right clicked on it, then Save Pic, and it saved just fine as a gif, and I checked it..I have it, and it is animated in IE. Had a theory going about checking the Image list and see whether one could save a pic..(remember in Hotmail box, Image list displaying that mouse, but says unavailable and size is displayed at "-1 bytes"), but Image list won't work here for some reason..no Images listed at all. Starting to stretch here for explanation, but maybe has something to do with size...mouse is 75K (I only got 54K on the file that opens only in Animation Shop as frames), guppy is 34K, and lady above is only 6K. Or file name. I ran into a file name problem before in Hotmail. I had named a file "dog&cat" and sent it through Hotmail. Always bcc myself, and message arrived without the pic. Racked my brain for awhile..hadn't had trouble with pics before..but as something to try, I renamed the file to "dogandcat" and it went through Hotmail just fine. Maybe applies here because "lady.gif", "guppy.gif", and the mouse file is "ATT00008.gif". Tried that in Google, and got other mouse gif files..so? Lastly, just might be something "wrong" with the mouse to start with. Starting to remind me of the old doctor joke of "It hurts when I do this" and doctor replies, "so don't do that!" Will file it in "unsolved mysteries" and hope I stumble across the mouse pic sometime somewhere to try again. Or get Mr "I installed PSP and made this animated gif in 10 minutes flat" Sea to animate those frames I did get..lol.

bassman: Didn't mean to seem like I was ignoring you, but have IE set to empty all Web pages upon exit, and don't have this problem very often, so don't "think" is cache problem...and the fact that other gifs are saving just fine sort of points elsewhere.

[Paul Komski]

Fully understand re OE - everyone has there own way - and Messenger is a real P-in-the-A.

Images List though got me thinking. To have it (and also the Links List) you must have downloaded 134kb Web Accessories for Internet Explorer 5 (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/previous/webaccess/ie5wa.asp) and to see the menu you RtClick on an empty area of the webpage (not on an image).

Well I just tried it out on Hotmail(web) with a test.gif that I sent there in an eMail. Clicked on the LINK (displayed on left) to the image (displayed on right). Got the M$ download dialog and chose save to disk. Perfect result; and yet every otherway would only save it as .bmp!! Hope this does it for you Kay http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif BTW Having looked at the Images list I also noted two 1x1 blank gifs on the webpage - those spooky little spyware jobs!

The ATT..... file might be problematic. These are usually attachments that have been "created" when the receiving eMail package has not been able to fully "translate" a multipart message and thus converts area(s) of the eMail into attachment(s) (though the sender didn't actually send any attachment in the first place).

PS Darn it; after all that I found the direct way to do it. Underneath my image test.gif is a link called Content-Type: application/octet-stream followed by ; name="test.gif" Just clicking on the Content-Type........ link does the job!!!!! Wheyhey http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


[This message has been edited by Paul Komski (edited 02-18-2002).]

[kayofcircles]

First, I want to say thank you to all who have banged their heads on walls with me in this post! For my part, I have looked at things like Links, and Images, and such that never much looked at before..so have learned some things. On this particular mouse gif..nothing works, and I am still thinking that something is wrong with either the file itself or the name. I went over yesterday and easily snagged a gif out of the After Hours section..think second post.."smilie_home.gif" just by right clicking on it, and Save Pic, and voila..it's saved, and it moves just fine in IE.

I couldn't find anything that read "Content-Type: application/octet-stream followed by ; name="test.gif" or similar. Not underneath mouse, not anywhere..at least in the mouse message screen. So, as I said, I will watch for it in the future (just because one of those unresolved things), but giving up for now with the feeling that it doesn't really matter since I apparently can snag a lot of other files just fine.

[Paul Komski]

HeHe and LOL (LOL at myself that is) Kay. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I've learned quite a lot too - and one of them is to not get too cocky!! Was sure I'd cracked it; but it was counting the chickens before they were hatched! http://www.telenaut.com/gst/egg/egg.gif

[sea69]

hehe kay

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[Paul Komski]

Hope you don't mind me re-opening this thread; but I just came across this MSKB article. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q260650&ID=KB;EN-US;Q260650


When you use the Save Picture As option for a graphics file in Microsoft Internet Explorer, you are only allowed to save the file as a BMP file, even if the file is in another format, for example, GIF or JPEG. The file name may also appear as 'Untitled'.

[Vic 970]

a good one to keep in the 'help' folder in favourites, (for when we forget)

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for every question there's an answer. Then a load more questions.
Definition of Upgrade "A means of introducing new bugs to a program to replace the ones that you have eventually found fixes for"

Regards..,
Vic.