Drive Image

[hawk22]

hi there all,
I need some help here. I have "Drive Image 5" and have been trying to make a drive Image of my C drive the lot burning to CD-R. Drive Image tells that you must load highmem I tried with as my system is as I don't know if it was loadet or not but after a few minutes or 8% the CD popped out with a Error Message "Out Of Memory" so I assume that I need to load highmem, but I have no idea where I would find that and how to load it and then unload it again. My System consists of:
IWill KK266-R mobo
AMD Duron 950
IBM 40 gig ATA-100 7200rpm HD
384 mb PCI-133 RAM
Pioneer 106 DVD-Rom
Richoh MP7163 CD-R-RW Burner
I am sure someone must have done a complete backup using Drive Image 5.

thanks folks
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[kayofcircles]

Tried a Google search, and can't find much. I was hoping to find a good tutorial type thing on Drive Image..similar to one posted recently on Ghost. My husband was having trouble with Ghost until he went over and read the tutorial. Maybe someone else knows where one might be.

Did find a review on Drive Image..(beware..annoying popups) here at Geocities (http://www.geocities.com/sbigel/driveimage.html). A tutorial on making a bootable CD here (http://www.netknowledgebase.com/tutorials/boot_cd.html), and my favorite "how to make your own restore disk" is pcnuthut (http://www.pcnuthut.com/Info/revampwindows.htm) which is using Drive Image 3.

Sorry, no luck on the "high memory" stuff or indeed any "error message" FAQ. PowerQuest basically says you don't need DOS anymore..but looks like you do to me. That's the part that my husband was having trouble with; he needed to go into DOS and do some stuff to get Ghost to work right, but the book that came with Ghost didn't say anything about that.

[Rick]

What Operating system are you running Drive Image 5 in?

Under Windows 9x and above you should not need to install Himem.sys it is a DOS driver.
Windows loads and uses it’s own memory manager

If you want to try loading himem it is done in the config.sys
with the following command line
device=c:\windows\himem.sys /testmem http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/redface.gifff

To add the command to your config.sys file
Use the msconfig command from the run box on the start menu
Click on the config.sys tab and the add button on that tab.
Then apply and allow the system to reboot.

You can always remove the command line or disable it after you run backup/ image
By removing the check mark next to in msconfig

[Paul Komski]

I suspect your image file is too large for one CD. If this is the case click "Split Image File into Multiple Files" and specify a File Size of 670,000,000 bytes as the maximum byte size in the "File Size(Bytes)" field.


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[hawk22]

Hi there all,
thank you all for your advice, very much appreciated.
Kayofcircles, evaluation on “here at Geocities” is my gripe, as “Mike Bailey” states it needs more instructions for the novice and first time user especially in the DOS version. “Create Bootable Backup CDs” reads OK too thing is my Burner uses Nero 5 not Easy CD creator. But I will keep the page. ‘PC Hut” is certainly worth keeping in mind it is actually very good if you are in for a HD format my 40 gig HD is still new and still has heaps of space on it. Thank you very much for your effort, I also looked at the site that you recommended to Island Boy in a other thread “Radfield”
How did your hubby go with his backup using Ghost which is a DOS program as well did he backup to CD as well??
Rick, thank you I am running 98SE and yes “Drive Image 5” runs in DOS and it requires himem or as they say more conventional memory. Now tell me please if I follow your instructions will that give me the extra memory needed in DOS to run the program ?? sorry just that I am not up with DOS.
Paul, no Drive Image 5 works out by reading your blank CD-R-W over how many disks it will split it depends on if you use high or low or no compression I had it set on 40% compression and that would have been 4 CDs
Thanks
Hawk22

[Rick]

Hawk

When you boot up in DOS without any memory management (Himem.sys /extended memory)+ (emm386.exe / expanded memory) you only have the base memory of 640 K to work in.

By adding the Himem.sys it allows DOS to use all memory above that.
From 640K to 1024K for system files and drivers
Then from 1024 to your version of Dos memory limit for other uses.

Older versions of dos only supported 64 meg of ram.
Today dos supports much more. Ver.7

When you add the device driver for Himem.sys you will be giving your program access to all memory installed.
Check you program documentation and see if it also wants the expanded memory manager installed . ( Emm386.exe) If so it is also added in the config.sys file.

You Must install Himem.sys regardless ..
Emm386,exe will not load unless Himem is loaded first


[This message has been edited by Rick (edited 04-12-2002).]

Also to speed up the boot you may want to add the Himem.sys like this
device=himem.sys /testmem :off
The mem test off should speed things up at boot up.


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[kayofcircles]

hawk22: Yep, my husband was rather triumphant about getting Ghost to work..but he really did need that tutorial at Radified to do it, because book was very vague and husband absolutely had to go into DOS. And, think this was a Freudian slip on his part, but he has already "used" the Ghost restore disk..and it worked! I don't think you need the exact software to do the pcnuthut "revamp your puter" stuff..just similar..and I like the article because it is very clear and has screenshots. When you get your Drive Image to work, you should have a similar "restore" CD or set of CDs. I just really the concept of being able to pop in one CD or whatever and get back to where one was in a matter of minutes as opposed to starting completely over, installing all board drivers and card drivers, and having to go and download updates and new drivers, etc, etc. When one gets everyone playing nice together..that's a good time to take a picture, yes?

Rick: Question, please. He types "device=c:\windows\himem.sys /testmem off" in that box on the config page of msconfig, and then clicks "new"? Or "device=himem.sys /testmem http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/redface.gifff"? Or both?

Edit: Well, that explains that little red face up there..just popped in on my post too. The " http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/redface.gif" is triggering the little red gif, so read "off" after colon.



[This message has been edited by kayofcircles (edited 04-12-2002).]

[mjc]

Kay,

To prevent the smilies from showing up when you need to use colons, look right under the text box..."Disable Smilies in this Post"....check and all your colonse will be colons...etc.

:D ,:eek: ,:rolleyes: , and the rest

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[Rick]

Kay
the command line with path depends on where the file is stored.
While doing a backup / Ghost in dos under win98 / dos7
IMHO It’s always best to load all drivers from the boot floppy.
Device=himem.sys or device =a:\himem.sys would both work.

It will avoid file errors , share violations and Open files. / in use files.
It’s a matter of Your choice of options.
By default himem.sys is stored on the windows drive and folder
Making a boot floppy should copy it to the root directory of the A: drive

Note I did not include the /memtest :off in the command line above
Because it is intended to explain path.

BTW to save your self time disk space and effort.
It’s also a Good Idea to Empty all cache files , swap file (Delete them in dos)


[This message has been edited by Rick (edited 04-12-2002).]

[Paul Komski]

You Must install Himem.sys regardless ..
Emm386,exe will not load unless Himem is loaded first
The following is copied directly from DriveImage5.pdf:-
Creating Image Files with Drive Image DOS
Creating Image Files on CD-R or CD-RW
Drive Image enables you to create image files directly on CD-R or CD-RW media.
However, you must meet the following requirements, or the drive will not be available as a
destination for an image file.
• You must have an IDE, SCSI, or SCSI PCMCIA CD-R or CD-RW drive. USB and
FireWire CD-R drives are not supported. (The drive must be MMC2-compliant.)
• Do not load EMM386.EXE in your CONFIG.SYS file.
• If you create an image on CD-RW media, it must be empty and unformatted.

If you can't get it to work in DOS mode; it could be worth creating a partition on which to store the image file. Then you can use Drive Image in Windows (Quick Image) to create the image file and then burn copies for an additional backup on removable media. I have found this very easy to do. No floppies at all (unless a disaster occurs) since the program reboots to a virtual floppy that it has created for the occasion. Only problem is that I don't think you can burn direct to CD using Quick Image.

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[This message has been edited by Paul Komski (edited 04-12-2002).]

[Rick]

Paul
Thanks for that clip.

BTW I didn’t add the statement about emm386 as Per it being needed for the Drive image program

It is just a statement ..Dos memory management (Expanded Memory) (emm386.exe) Requires Himem.sys Something for future reference.. Incase it was needed..

I like your Idea of making an image in to another partition
And If Image creates a disaster recovery floppy then your safe.


One small detail in addition..
If they have a CD drive that is NOT IDE.

Then device driver requirements are Much More than in windows.
Todate I have Not seen a USB drive that worked in DOS.
PCMCIA cd-rom drives are difficult to access in DOS
And SCSI is also Not easily configured .

The last recovery disk I let a program create .
Did not support scsi at all.
I had to manually create the boot disk config.sys and autoexec.bat
With the correct drivers

[Paleo Pete]

Todate I have Not seen a USB drive that worked in DOS.

DOS does not support USB devices. At the time of the last DOS "upgrade" to v.7, the Windows version, USB was not a reality yet so support for it was not written in. Since MS is trying their best to eliminate DOS I doubt if USB support will ever be added.

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[hawk22]

Rick hi,
This may sound stupid to you, but I just don’t know I have never dealt in this area before, so please put up with me.
After I enter the line DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
And allow the system to reboot, will it reboot to Windows or to DOS, as Drive Image is in Programs if it boots to DOS how would I open Drive Image?

[Paul Komski]

Drive Image should have prompted you to make Two Floppies. Inserting #1 and restarting your pc should boot into DOS and then you will be prompted for #2 and it should open directly into Drive Image in DOS.

You can make these by choosing Make Rescue Diskettes in the Start<>Programs<>Power Quest Drive Image 5.0 list of options. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif


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[This message has been edited by Paul Komski (edited 04-14-2002).]

[kayofcircles]

Thanks, Rick, for explanation. And thanks too, mjc..another of the many things I had not noticed before.

hawk22: What Paul just said above is exactly how husband got Ghost to work, so should work on your Drive Image too. Did ya get it?? Ready to party yet?? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[wdelelys]

If you are running win xp, forget trying to use a cd-rom.
At the very least, win xp will produce a drive image size file of
at least 1.82 GIG
I know, I have one on my d: partition.
Hope this helps
williamt

[hawk22]

Hi there helpers,
thanks for that Paul, and you are dead right I do have those 2 Floppies just didn’t know how to use them.
I will do a Disk Scan & Defrag before I settle down again for Drive Image Mark 2 it does all look a lot clearer now and I reckon it should be a goer.
Kay thanks, but I won’t Party just yet, but I will let you know how it all turns out. (keep your fingers & toes crossed for me)
For now thanks again
hawk
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[hawk22]

Rick,
you mention in your reply above to Empty all cache files, swap file (Delete them in DOS) could you possible please explain and describe that to me in finer detail, cause as you will have gathered by now I am a total loss in DOS
thanks

[kayofcircles]

Yes, please, Rick..or someone? My fingers and toes are getting cramped. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Paul Komski]

I think what Rick is getting-at is to tidy up your drive before imaging it.

First, in Windows, clear out any junk (Temporary Internet Files and Temporary Files etc that you can. So that it is as small as possible). Also run scan disc and defrag so that the image you copy is in the best possible shape.

The swap file can only be deleted in DOS (I think); but if Windows is "managing it" then I doubt if it is all that big, in DOS, in any case. Someone else might confirm this and explain how to eliminate it from the drive image.



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