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tjaymadison
05-15-2001, 12:11 PM
As if anyone really gives a rat's ___ or a horse's patoot. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

But in my travels far and wide, I stumbled over my first REAL computer, in a place somewhat disparagingly
called "The Obsolete Computer Museum", -- (that's 'mewzeam' to 'spel chekr') -- a term which
I felt quite justified in regarding as completely unwarranted, arbitrary and totally without merit.

Of course I'd had the Timex Sinclairs and the TI 99/4A's, but this was the real McCoy! And to think it rates
a place in a museum -- in history, if you will -- even if it is so erroneously termed 'obsolete'.

I prefer to think of it as 'co-existant with subsequent technology' myself.

The pictures and descriptions warmed the very cockles of my heart. The Epson QX-10 (http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/qx-10.html) in all its glory!
That crystal-clear green-screen monitor, that keyboard with function keys before their time,
those dual floppy drives, that state-of-the-then-art 300 baud internal modem, that VALDOCS!

And then to also discover that they also had a section about my first portable!
I felt weak in the knees for a minute there -- good thing I was sitting down.

The Epson PX-8 (http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/epsonpx8.html), with a four-line LCD screen, a micro-cassette tape drive to store programs,
data or even play music through the worst 1" speaker, and an optional 300-bps modem.
Cutting, leading, 'bleeding' edge stuff when it was new.

Who cares that if today I had the money spent on those two beauties, I'd have a 1+ Gig Athlon,
with all the bells and whistles? I did a lot and learned a lot, and had a lot of fun with each one.
I'd rather have the memories than the money. The 'other' half may express a somewhat differing
opinion on this whole matter, however. But that's about par, tell me something I don't know. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

If you've made it this far, and clicked the links, I thank you. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


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"I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
-- Charles Babbage, mathematician, computer pioneer, analytical engine designer (1791-1871)
-- (Question: 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?')

[This message has been edited by tjaymadison (edited 05-15-2001).]

kayofcircles
05-15-2001, 12:40 PM
You don't still have them? My husband would. And we have a friend who could start his own museum.

I am just worried about the day when my brain is in the "obsolete" processors section.

tjaymadison
05-15-2001, 01:28 PM
Thanks, Kay.

PX-8 still works daily. Too expensive to replace soldered-on clock battery and floppy drive on QX-10. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

If you look hard in the museum archives, you'll find my brain doing double duty as a doorstop/paperweight.

Processing function severely diminished. Too many cold boots. Rely on silicon now. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

Rely on silicon now. Rely on sil... Dave? What's happening, Dave?

Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do. I'm ... half ... crazy...


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"I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
-- Charles Babbage, mathematician, computer pioneer, analytical engine designer (1791-1871)
-- (Question: 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?')

[This message has been edited by tjaymadison (edited 05-15-2001).]

Randy_tx
05-15-2001, 07:31 PM
Great Stuff there TJay http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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sea69
05-16-2001, 10:15 AM
hehe tj...

the Px-8, looks like the worlds 1st "laptop"..

pretty kool

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tjaymadison
05-16-2001, 11:16 AM
Thanks, sea.

At least the PX-8 had CP/M on ROM. 'PIP' and all the other arcane commands and 'backwards' syntax sequence.

WordStar, PeachCalc and Basic too. Also had the microcassette drive.

But I 'graduated' to it from the Epson HX-20 -- a true dinosaur.
About the same size, ROM BASIC only, and an acoustic coupler 'modem'.
Similar to that first Radio Shack one from around that time.



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"I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
-- Charles Babbage, mathematician, computer pioneer, analytical engine designer (1791-1871)
-- (Question: 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?')

LeeV
05-16-2001, 11:46 AM
Too Cool,

I thought I was alone out there... just kidding. I love all things computer, and never throw anything away! That's my excuse for keeping my Commodore, and AppleII collection....

3 Commodore 64's w/tape drives and 5 1/4 floppys!
6 AppleII's, wished I had a AppleII E for the collection.

I regret the day I let my Atari computer go, but I still have a working Atari 2600 game console (63 games),and a Intellevision game console, but my Pong machine died last year! LOL http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Seriously, We all start somewhere and I am still amazed how far we've come. I collect these things because they introduced me to the world of computers, and if I never had these things, I might be a web TV user!

Lee

tjaymadison
05-16-2001, 12:56 PM
Thanks for reminding me! My daughter's first computer -- ADAM.

ColecoVision's disastrous attempt and richly-deserved failure at a home PC.
Dual audio-cassette drives, but required 'special' $9.00 tapes.
Could also use Coleco game carts. The only thing that kept it alive.

Back to the museum. Thanks. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

(WEB TV ?!? Go wash your mouth out with soap, then sit in the corner for an hour!) http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

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"I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
-- Charles Babbage, mathematician, computer pioneer, analytical engine designer (1791-1871)
-- (Question: 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?')

Paleo Pete
05-17-2001, 11:48 AM
Well, my first actual computer was a 386 built by my brother, and soon upgraded to 486. But now, 6 years later after jumping in with both fett, I have a couple of These (http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/xt.html) XT machines sitting around, and the most recent acquisition is an original IBM 5160 XT with 256K onboard, Above Board card to bring it up to 640K, 10MB RLL hard drive and full height floppy drive. No external drives, but it worked perfect, didn't have to format/reinstall or anything. Plugged it in and it works great. Have MS Word 5 on it, several games, DOS 3.3, several other things I've located over time.

Also have one IBM XT with only 2 floppy drives. Have to load everything from floppy to run it at all...

Passed up a Commodore 64 a while back, should have grabbed it, full system with everything...monitor, printer, keyboard, Koala pad, external floppies, joystick, 10 key pad, you name it. $10 and I didn't grab the thing...Best condition of any Commodore I've seen too.

More recently passed on a Tandy 1000, didn't want to have to start searching for other components, monitor, keyboard etc all have to be Tandy.

Also have a working GRiD 386i, Epson Equity II; 286, Packard Bell Legend 100CD that's P-60, Advanced Logic Research 386, all in working condition. Going to be working on a 486 soon too. Stay tuned, one day I might start my own museum. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Ghost_Hacker
05-17-2001, 12:05 PM
Hey my Pops had a Tandy. I use to spend hours in front of the thing inputing Basic programs. (it had a whopping 4K of memory!!!!) I once went to the San Francisco Computer Show, about 1978 or 79. The highlight for me was a device that you could attach to your tape drive ( the Tandy's mass storage device was a cassette tape disk http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ). That allowed the Tandy to upload programs at (I think) 4 times the normal speed.

WOOOOOOOWWWWWW.........talk about innovation. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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"Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!"

tjaymadison
05-18-2001, 03:02 AM
Thanks to all who shared my memories, reminded me of things I'd forgotten, and contributed their own.

Pete -- Did you ever 'turbo-ize' one of your true-blue XT's with an NEC V-20? Flyin' low then, boy.
You could jack that baby up from the original 5 to either 8 or 10 MHz!
Shortly after, the clones added the actual turbo button and the faster 8088-2. Spoil sports. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

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"I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
-- Charles Babbage, mathematician, computer pioneer, analytical engine designer (1791-1871)
-- (Question: 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?')

Paleo Pete
05-21-2001, 10:14 AM
Nope, never tried one of those. I have one CPU by NEC somewhere, I'll have to look it up and see what it is, don't know offhand. Most of mine have the 8088, I have one 8086 around here but haven't been able to find it recently. One or two also have math coprocessors, but it really makes no noticeable difference, since I normally don't run anything that does any serious number crunching...I use them mostly as game machines anyway. Whenever I have a chance to set up 3 or 4 in one place I'd like to network them and find some multiplayer games...might be interesting to tinker with...

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So many idiots, and only six bullets...
Note: Please post your questions on the forums, not in my email.

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Bailey
05-23-2001, 07:41 AM
Here's a portable oldie (8086). ComPaq Plus w/ one 5/14 Floppy and a 20mg Hdd:

Albert's Museum (http://users.knoware.nl/users/stuurmn/complus.htm)

It still works great.

Ghost_Hacker
05-25-2001, 12:16 PM
If your wondering where all those old "goodwill" computers end up.

Check it out: http://www.goodwillcomputerworks.net/museum/index.html

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Comment heard from a Klingon programmer.

"Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!"

AwARe
05-26-2001, 12:56 AM
haha yeah thanks for reminding me as well guys
heres a pic of my first comp
a whopping 1mhz with 5k of ram lmao
I plugged this baby into a 10 inch black and white tv for a monitor http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif http://classicgaming.com/vic20/melick/

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ranchdog
07-07-2001, 08:52 PM
I had to suffer and begin with an Atari. Still have that puppy. Gonna keep it, my '56 Chey Nomad, and my '48 Ford 1/2 Ton forever. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

ranchdog
07-07-2001, 09:10 PM
That site GH posted would be the place to contact if a guy was looking for parts etc. for an oldie. I may load up my 48 Ford 1/2 T. and give them a HUGE donation of "stuff." http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

sea69
07-07-2001, 09:40 PM
my question is:

where's Tjay??

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iisbob
07-07-2001, 10:23 PM
Hey GHOST we share a common past! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I still have my trusty Tandy Color computer w/16k of mem, complete with cassette storage and a top of the line Thermal printer!!
any time i get tired and frustated with programming now( c++, java, perl, etc...) and fooling with all this " modern " tech , i know i can fire up the tandy and input a couple of " BASIC "( http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/tongue.gif ) commands-then all is right in the world, and Bill is far away. no crazy " windows " no MS anything, just me and my little buddy.

'Sigh' if only everything could be so simple http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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