Play Guitar? Name your Setup, Fav Bands, etc.

[-=RWA=-Justin]

I've had my fender strat pack for around 6 or 7 months now, and i love it. I'd like to think i am progressing rather quickly, as i dont have a guitar teacher or anything. This is a shock to me, because i'm usually to lazy to learn anything unless i really enjoy it. The fender strat pack comes with a Champ 15 amp, a Squire Affinity Stratocaster, gig back, tuner, and some other accesories. My favorite bands are Weezer, Green Day, Jimmy Eat World, MxPx, A.F.I., and some random ska bands. I've been unable to play ska chords, even tho i've been told many times how. I like playing punk rock because you can make a lotta noise easily, and it still sounds good!

[steveo]

My amp setup has changed over the years as I went through my Marshall phase, twin Hi-Watts, Vox and now Fender. Now I'm using a Fender Princeton Chorus through a Marshall 4x12 with a 2nd Marshall 4x12 for the stereo Ibanze guitar when I feel like slapping delay from one cabinet to another. Basically the way it works is each pickup can have a seperate amp attached to it hence the twin Hi-Watt purchase at one time. It works rather well when you run the amps hot. The downside is your hearing isn't quite the same afterwards.

My effects rack consist of digital chorus, delay, sustainer and reverb. Reverb is what I use now as I've gotten away from the effects. I use a DOD digital vocal studio which makes even me sound kind of passable although in reality I have no real voice so I have to mask it. Add to that a 4-track recorder and Roland drum machine.

My current guitars include the above mentioned electric stereo Ibanez (a copy of a Gibson E-335), a 1965 Gibson SG with active pickups, Fender F12 acoustic 12 string (which I use with 7 strings and a dropped D nashville tuning), A acoustic Apx-6 Yamaha with open C6 tuning, acoustic Fender Redondo with open G tuning. A six string Tennesse banjo which I haven't played in 3 years. Finally a Rickenbacher bass that I lent to my buddy 18 months ago and he still has it...heh. My guitar collection is considerably smaller now than it was 15 years ago when I sold most of it off to help finance a summer in Europe.

Most of my influences came out of Britian from the 60-70's so that's what I tend to hack through the most. Led Zep, Yes, Moody Blues, Stones, Beatles, Nektar, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Jethro Tull, The Who, Queen...the list goes on. Others include Rush, Mama's & Papa's, Jerry Reed, Chet Atkins, CSN, Joe Walsh, The Band, Gordon Lightfoot, Johnny Cash...that list goes on as well. I tend to align my tastes around guitar players along most genres from classical (Segovia) to Nashville/bluegrass pickers. The only new band that's caught my attention the past couple of years is Big Wreck. I like thier overall sound, especially the first album. Their 2nd album is a bit more diverse, better produced plus they're using Mesa-Boogie amps and a ton of dropped tunings which adds to thier already thick, layered sound.

I use alternate tunings these days as I lost interest in standard tunings a couple of years ago. Alternate tunings is the only thing keeping me playing and even that is only a few hours a week instead of 5 hours a day like it use to be.



I don't listen to recent stuff so I really have no idea what's out there anymore. I don't watch MTV and the like.

[Paleo Pete]

Steveo that sounds like mostly a list of what I'm into, but can't handle country...would love to have a Mesa Boogie, those things ROCK...played the 22 watter when I sat in with a band a few years ago, it amazed me, keeps up with any 50 watt amp and most 100's.

I'm currently running a Fender Squire strat, Peavey Patriot and Harmony H14 made in 1966 through a Peavey MX 30/130 watt head, Kustom 2x12" cabinet. I use a compressor, analog delay through the effects loop and into another amp for stereo, Ibanez Sonic Distortion and volume pedal. All guitar players should use volume pedals, I'll never play without one again. Never have to stop playing to change volume, just press your foot down...

The Harmony (http://www.broadwaymusicco.com/Harmony4.htm) guitar is identical to the H15 on this page, but single pickup and only two knobs. Same paint job, pickup and pick guard. Oh, and that's a wooden bridge... This page (http://members.aol.com/Warnold910/harmony3.html) says it's a model H-14 and his has one knob missing...nice pic though. Mine is identical to the top picture, but looks a bit more battered around...gives it character... http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

The MX amp eats Marshalls for lunch, I haven't seen anything but the Boogie that will keep up with it, and I've had a few guys try to drown me out...including a Marshall 100 watt double stack. I was running the 1x12" cabinet then...I used to play jam sessions in Houston, never found anything that would keep up with it.

Only thing is it's sometimes too clean, hard to get the rock rythym sound with just a touch of distortion. Have to run the lead channel for that and turn the gain way down. If I try it with the clean channel you can hear the thing a mile away before it starts to break up a bit...Otherwise it's the best amp I've ever had. Beats the old Kustom 100 lead any day...

Also have a 50 watt Peavey Classic, (all of them are tube amps) made in 1977 that currently has blown speakers, but it works great through the Kustom cabinet, and an old Fender Champ I use for practice at home when I don't need LOUD...I swapped tubes to give it a bit more guts, and run it through a 1x12" cabinet for better sound, usually run a 10 band EQ with it.

Also...Conn tenor sax, probably older than I am, Selmer clarinet I just got that needs pads, antique german mandolin that's now a conversation peice.

I play guitar and sax in a local band, occasionally keyboards, been playing since I was 5 which makes it...well a long time...into rock and blues mostly, some of the ones listed above as well as Eric Johnson, Van Wilks (http://www.vanwilks.com), ZZ Top, John Hiatt, Jethro Tull, Supertramp, City Boy, Joe Walsh, Robin Trower, Edgar and Johnny Winter, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Pink Floyd, early Genesis, Allman Brothers, Traveling Wilburys, Tom Petty...long list I'm not going to even try and list all of them...

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[not_fred]

Looks like y'all just stumbled across Pete's true love... http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[bassman]

I can play the.......uuuuuuh???uuuummmm???
Hmmm, I can play a Sony radio http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Pete, when I come down there to fish this Spring, I want to hear you JAM http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[Pianorak]

Consider myself to be a "music" lover - strictly classical, so perhaps that doesn't count, but don't let's get into that argument. What really bugs and perplexes me is this: why, oh why do all the bands have to over-amplify - actually, why do they have to amplify at all? Recently heard Richard Galliano (accordion) and The New York Quintett (piano/keyboard; violin; percussions; double-bass) while over here on a European tour. The playing was phenomenal, improvisation great - and the amplifiers were working overtime! The audience loved it, lapped it up. Were they perhaps all Deaf? And I? My ears are still smarting from the battering received. I am absolutely convinced that the performance would have greatly benefited from an absence of amplifiers. Call me ignorant if you like but doesn't amplification merely hide the fact that all these so-called musicians a) could only ever play fortissimo (ff) and above, and b) would be utterly lost without amplification.
And while I may have been experiencing a "live" performance, this live performance was conveyed through electronic gadgetry, in other words the musicians could as easily have mimed playing their instruments and nobody would have been any the wiser. I am surprised that musicians themselves put up with this electronic "barrier" between performer and audience which by its very nature hampers and distorts musical interpretation.
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[Vic 970]

Don't find time to play much now, yet I am hoping soon to start and make a Cd of some of my own songs (written years ago, but never published)
Guitar's a Gordon Smith Special (similar to Gypsy) also 12 string Aucustic & Classical.
Got to put some time & effort in though.

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[yawningdog]

I still have some of my old rig kicking around. It's an Ampeg 140 watt head and a 4x12 celestion cabinet, all solid state. I played A Paul Reed Smith with a Dimarzio evolution pickup I installed in the bridge, and I had an old but very fine Les Paul from the early days of their Memphis plant. I was into speed metal at the time. Metallica, Pantera, Sepultura, Megadeth, etc.

Now I, like pinorak, listen to classical almost exclusively. I have a nylon strung acoustic and a baby grand piano circa 1930.

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[fixrupr]

I got a 7 1/4" worm drive Porter Cable. What type pick-up and amp would you guys suggest to achieve standards required by todays music?

[steveo]

Pete: yeah I'd love to get a MB but they're pretty expensive up here to justify buying one just for jammin' which is all I've done for the past 18 months or so. I've played through them before though and they sound pretty sweet! I agree about the volume pedal. You could try a power-soak on that MX to get that distortion at low volumes but they have a tendency to eat tubes. They work great on 100w fender heads tho. Your setup sounds pretty kool!

Yawningdog: I had a PRS copy for a while. Never could afford the real deal http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif

Fixrupr: Not sure what today's standards are. Everyone has different tastes in sound. I prefer older tube amps that have a warmer sound but still kick. My 50w twin Hi-Watts (one built in 1977, the other 1982) delivered a nice low end warm sound yet cut above everything else when needed. I never had to use a distortion pedal with them. My 1978 Vox 125w (when I was on my Queen kick) tube head through Marshall 4x12 with Gibson Explorer was tasty. Never should of sold that rig off. A friend of mine uses a Randall stack that has a terrific reverb unit and it rocks pretty hard. Another has a Johnson Line stack and it's one of the better amps I've heard but has way too many controls and a hefty price tag for my liking. My 1972 Marshall 100w head sounded like crap...heh

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[bassman]

Fixerupr I didn't know Porter Cable was making a 7 1/4" worm drive?? How do you like it?

Steveo Bring um on baby!!!! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif How bout them Dolfins today, hahahaha

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[Steve]

Hey folks,

Well, in the good ol' daze, (sixties http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif ) I was playin' a Gibson es335 through a twin reverb and a fender jazz bass through a fender bassman. Boy, those were the daze. We played Hendricks, Stones, Allman Bros., Blues Breakers, Johnny Winter, Poco, Crazy Horse, Brother Neil, etc. When the rock and roll life got to be to much, I took a 20 year vacation from playin'.

Now I have a Guild D-4 and get to use a friends Guild F-40. ('61 vintage) I'm into Gary Davis, John Hurt, Robert Johnson, Son House, Bukka White, Brownie McGhee, Blind Blake etc. All acoustic now. I'm a back porch picker. Play a few parties. The ladies STILL like musicians. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[Paleo Pete]

why, oh why do all the bands have to over-amplify - actually, why do they have to amplify at all?

Ever try to get 300 people in a noisy bar to hear an unamplified acoustic guitar???

In addition to that, a much greater variety of sounds. The acoustic guitar has one basic sound, 2 or 3 if you cosider finger-picking versus a plastic pick, harmonics and playing at different locations on the strings. PRetty limited compared to electric guitars.

My Strat will get 5 different sounds with nothing but a cord and amp. Add a distortion pedal and it's 10. Then there's harmonics, finger-picking or pick, chorus, flanger, wah wah, harmonics, feedback (OH YEAH...) and using different locations on the strings. I also use a technique of muffling the string with my thumb as I pick a note that gets a kind of harmonic squeal that's hard to describe, Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top uses it a lot. (LaGrange, Squank, TV Dinners etc.) Roy Buchannon used it a lot as well. Sure miss that guy...Lots of guitar players get that sound accidentally too now and then.

Then there's slide, which can be used on both acoustic and electric, with or without distortion and/or effects...

I pretty much agree on the overamplification though, I've heard excellent bands that sucked real loud due to being overamplified or just plain cranked up too high, even at large arena concerts. I'm pretty careful about it, I have 130 watts to play with and it rarely gets above about halfway, but at half volume it's LOUD...I have to be with a fairly loud group to get it up to that kind of volume. Usually it's just about half volume by the end of the night. That still gives me plenty headroom so I can still get a good clean sound when I need it. The lead channel and distortion pedal are still there when it's time to rock...

Oh, and I found out something, I've been wondering just how old my Kustom 2x12" cabinet is...It has the "Kustom by Ross Inc." on the logo, they used that logo the first year then changed it and removed the "by Ross" part the next year. As far as I've been able to find out that puts it about 1967. And it still looks almost new and of course works great...but don't stand too close... http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Pianorak]

Paleo Pete <<My Strat will get 5 different sounds with nothing but a cord and amp. Add a distortion pedal and it's 10. Then there's harmonics, finger-picking or pick, chorus . . . >>

Thanks for putting me right. There is obviously more to it than I realized.
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<<Ever try to get 300 people in a noisy bar to hear an unamplified acoustic guitar???>>

Well no I haven't. But in the theatre it is the actor who speaks softly rather than rants and raves who holds the audience's attention and achieves a silence in which you can hear a pin drop!
Worth a try in a noisy bar? - Hmm, perhaps not. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[mjc]

I don't play...on a piano I know the C maj chord and how to run scales;guitar, a couple of cords...BUT I do sound, and trust me pianorak, I know what you are saying...there is way too much over amplifying done. But, there are many more benefits to using electronic amplification than just what Pete listed, one major one is correcting for the deficiencies in a particular location (most places that concerts are held today are not designed with ideal audio conditions in mind), and when properly done the audience doesn't realize that the music has been amplified (cool trick but hard to do with 300 screaming, inebriated, C&W loving bar patrons).

Oh yeah, pianorak, have you ever heard of MilliVanilli, they got caught doing exactly what you said...plugging in an miming while a tape played the songs. When they got caught, they dropped from being fairly popular to has-beens in about 12 hours....along with a few law suits, if I remember correctly.

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Celts are the men that heaven made mad, For all their battles are merry and their songs are all sad.

[BigBlue66]

Man, I haven't picked up a guitar in many moons. Used to goof around when I was a youngin, on my Dad's old Stella acoustic. Even started taking lessons, but money was tight so had to drop out of that. Sure wish I had found a way to have kept up with lessons and learnin. I'd give anything to be able to play music today. I mean good music. Nothin like a finely tuned guitar and someone who knows how to caress it.

BB 66

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[Pianorak]

mjc Here in London/UK heated discussions are under way as to the benefits of deploying electronic amplification in various venues used for classical concerts to make up for poor acoustics. To this end the Royal Albert Hall had enormous ceiling-mounted disks installed as well as amplifiers. Elsewhere new wooden wall panels have been fitted. There are also rumours abroad - hotly denied of course - that the Royal Opera House (the Holy Grail itself) has installed electronic amplification equipment. If true, the end of civilisation as we know it would indeed be just around the corner. Watch this space. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/frown.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Vic 970]

it's all about controlat one time musicions created (or tried to) an environment which gave them 'live' accoustic echo to record their music (that's why people are prompted to sing in the bath) but getting even a guitarist, bassist, drummer, singer & tape recorder in the loo wasn't always easy, & if the echo was too much if was a difficult job to alter the environment.
It was (is) much easier to record in a 'dead' environment (using heavy curtains on walls for example) & add echo etc. later to get the sound that you want.
Also when playing music the ideal is to fill every space (in a room) with sound (at a comfortable level). To achieve this let's look at the problems of a roving disc jockey. Who would need a several amplifier set ups (of suitable sizes) for each size venue, (based on the assumption that an amp. sounds best at 3/4 volume). So it ends up in compromise, a single sound point (eg; on stage) (determined by the fact that they can't haul multiple speakers to produce quadraphonic sound) plus a large amp which will 'fill' most of their venues, compromising sound quality on larger venues (more volume) and smaller venues (low volume).

My preference ? I like to play/listen to acoustic, & electric guitars, because each have their own qualities, & if the sound/accoustics/effects/amplification are right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But getting it 'right' isn't always easy, in fact it's an art in itself, & whereas you will get different tastes, particularly in volume ! , spare a thought sometimes if it's not to your liking, that the poor D.J. is trying his hardest to do the best he can, with what he's got to satisfy, at least 'most' of his audience.



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[Pianorak]

BigBlue <<I'd give anything to be able to play music today. I mean good music.>>

There is nothing to stop you from learning to play an instrument right now - irrespective of age - with the single exception of the violin. I am told that unless you start playing the violin while still in your nappies you won't get anywhere. But maybe even that is just a rumour to keep the competition at bay?? http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[ranchdog]

nappies.... http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/eek.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


Long live the 12 string. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/cool.gif

A long time ago my Dad spent a lot of time trying to pass his talents off on me. My fingers would get sore from the strings, then I figured it was time to go see what the neighbor girls were doing. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Good Lord help me if I lost his favorite pick. Ouch.

I realize that C&W doesn't impress a lot of folks but I'm there because of the lead guitar anyway. Although it doesn't have to be only C&W.

Wasn't much of a fan of Glen Cambell but that dude is excellent with a 12 string.

Vince Gill, that Okie boy can play. He played in pick-up bands on the West Coast before going on his own. I can't say the guy's name at the moment but the lead guitar for Brooks & Dunn is very good. Roy Clark, a master. As was Chet Atkins. In the 60's there was a guy in Bakersfield, CA. who was a master. Don Rich. Motorcycle wreck took him. Speaking of Johnny Cash, Luther could get the job done.

Stevie Raye Vaughn wasn't no slouch. The leads for the Lynard Skynard Band could roll. B.B. King cannot be denied.

My neighbor came home to his folk's place short while back to "retire." Name is Dickie Overby. Dickie has played steel guitar for the last 15 years for Ronnie Milsap. Prior to that he worked with any Big Name you can think of. Including Hank Jr.

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[Pianorak]

nappies . . .

Ah well, you win some, you lose some. Having spelt civilisation "correctly" (s instead of UK z) I slipped up on nappies which of course should have been spelt: diapers. Right, another vital issue dealt with. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Whyzman]

Pianorak, "the loo?" You might want to put that one into spellcheck! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif In the US we usually call it the Restroom. However, our use of this word seems inappropriate for two reasons: #1; I suspect because it...is not necessarily a quite place. And, #2; Since there's a usually a lot of movement going on, Restroom doesn't really seem to apply. I don't mean to be dumping on you here about the "loo" reference! I was just trying to get a handle on why you folks call it a "loo?" My apologies if I bowled you over with my concerns in this regard. I get a little flush just talking bout things of this nature.

Speaking of moving...this thread has been quite stimulating! I've a Martin D12-28 that I purchased back in 1971 that's been collecting dust. My wife pointed out that our children have never heard me play...oldest is 15 now! ARGH...my Sweetie reminds me of things like that now and then! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

I love the sound of an acoustic even when it's amplified...ever hear a 12 string with a pickup? Chills! However, I'm really into vocals along with guitar. I'm a tight harmony dude; Crosby Stills Nash Young, Aaron Neville duet with Linda Ronstadt kinda stuff. The venue, whether R&R or C/W doesn't really matter. Cause it seems when it's all said and done we remember the instrumentation, but we keep wanting to sing those words! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

And you know how irritating it is when the band is drowning out a song with good vocals! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/mad.gif

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[Pianorak]

Whyzman Hmm, the spirit has moved me and I shan't rest until I have put this one behind me! "Loo"? Indeed, why? At the moment can't do better than that it might be a corruption of "lav" (lavatory). - On checking I see that Collins English Dictionary agrees with me (yeah I know: folie de grandeur http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/cool.gif ) : "Brit. an informal word for lavatory. Perhaps from French lieux d'aisance water closet."
I think it was the Irish dramatist and wit George Bernard Shaw who said that America and England were divided by a common language (or words to that effect). If it wasn't Shaw it must have been the other Irishman, Oscar Fingal O'Flahertie Wills Wilde.




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[Lucias_Clay]

Now I thought it was 'water closet' in england. In Germany it 'W.C.' I don't know about England but in Germany the toilet and the tub are indifferant rooms (didn't see many showers over there. Also no commercials during t.v shows they are all between the shows. I belive there is a law about interupting t.v. shows over there. As far as music goes give me '60s and '70s rock or country from '50s, '60s or '70s. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Vic 970]

Strang how the terminology has changed over the years in England, particularly in my area.
I remember when it was called the 'Lavatory', by just about everyone, then around the Town it was changed to 'Public Convenience', on the Station it remained 'The Lavatory', whilst on the train it became the 'Water Closet'. In the pubs it was the 'Ladies & the Gents', & in the home it was the 'Toilet', or if combined with a bath or shower the 'Bathroom' (which is still used, even if seperate) at work it was called the 'W.C.
Workmen would 'go for a slash' or a 'crap' (after a chap called crapper invented the basin). In company, middle class would 'go & inspect the plumbing' whilst others would go to 'The Mens Room' 'The Boys Room' 'The Little Girls Room' or 'The Small Room'. Some would 'go see a man about a dog' or 'shake hands with a friend'

To me it seems that all of this was due to embarrassment at where they were going, or maybe the terminology was, unmentionable.

Then 'The Loo' came into the vocabulary, could it be short for Ladies Room ?. as it started with the female species, but then came to be used by both genders.

An interesting one; on a vessel (ie; boat or ship) it is always refered to as the 'Head', history of this is that sailors used to go to the front (head) of the ship where they would sit on the front guardrail for the function, (I assume this was the best place as the bows are getting continually washed down with water)
The head of the ship, enclosed by the guardrail was also where the preacher delivered his sermons, so it was called the 'Pulpit'. How's that for dual purpose ?

I was going to make comment about multi tasking, but I'll let you think about that one.

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[Pianorak]

Vic Didn't know about "the Head" - but than I was also blissfully unaware of Tideclock until a few minutes ago. . . http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/biggrin.gif So little time and so much to learn! http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/smile.gif Would you not agree that, at least in Britain and leaving aside regional terminology, "toilet" is considered to be rather prissy and non-U, and "lavatory" the "correct" form; Oxbridge perhaps indicating they are not afraid to call a spade a spade.

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[Vic 970]

"A Rose (or Lavatory) by any other name..,,,etc."

I think we should get back to the music.!!!!

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[ahbar]

I feel right at home.
The old gang used to say thatany conversation will get to the toilet in three to five steps.

probably should open a thread to knock around North American, Gringo, Yankee culture for the enjoyment of us Extra terestrials.

Had a thought too! Is there a way that time of posting could be set on sight to let us say GMT giving us an easy refrence to who is online when and where? Notice that it has been quiet for the last couple of hours on the other side of the Atlantic. http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[Vic 970]

You'll need to post that in 'Suggestions' & I think GMT is now refered to as UT (Universal Time) Would be nice to have comparison times,

0947
maybe we could start out posts with our local time. ?
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[Vic 970]

Or try these...., http://www.PCGuide.com/ubb/wink.gif

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ (http://http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/)


http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html (http://http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html)

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