upgrading to win98

[hnl4ever]

to nebody..im trying to upgrade from win95 to 98 the problem im running into is that its telling me that i must get the upgrade version. I now have the full version is there a way i can use that?

[bassvax]

Yes, but you will have to reformat the hard drive (back up the data you want to keep first). You will have to run FDISK also to ensure your partitions are FAT32. I have no experience with converting FAT16 to FAT32 so maybe someone will offer some advice in that area. Unless of course you are currently running Win 95b using FAT32 already. You will need to hunt down drivers for your periherals for Win 98 (the stock drivers on the 98 CD should suffice through the install though).

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[This message has been edited by bassvax (edited 05-06-2001).]

[Paleo Pete]

Converting to FAT 32 is no problem, if done by way of fdisk, when you run fdisk to repartition the hard drive the first screen will ask if you want to enable FAT 32 for large disk support if it sees the drive is big enough, read the screen and press [Enter] for Yes, I think, and the rest is the same as a normal partitioning procedure.

Quick Guide to a win98 Fresh Start

Hard Disk Partitioning and Formatting Procedure

Those might help too.

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[tjaymadison]

To see what the 'big cheese' in Redmond has to say click here.

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[This message has been edited by tjaymadison (edited 05-07-2001).]

[AwARe]

hmmmm why do i have the feeling after that advice i just read that we wont be hearing back from hnl4ever for at least a day or two after he loses all the files on his HDD after he runs fdisk and delets his primary partition hahaha...........to convert FAT16 to FAT32 all you need do is use the util provided by MS "after" you have win98 installed win98 doesnt need FAT32 however if you have a buncha partitions on your HDD and you want to get rid of them youre gonna need to fdisk that HDD and start from scratch anyways.......actually it may be posible to install win98 convert to FAT32 then use partition magic to remove the partitions but thats only a maybe Im not really sure on that one...........but at any rate if youre still around hnl4ever upgrading sucks backup your data and start from scratch get a good clean fresh install that doesnt have the errors you "may" end up with on an upgrade.......Good Luck!

[tjaymadison]

AwARe

Original post: (emphasis mine):

...trying to upgrade from win95 to 98 the problem im running into is that its telling me that i must get the upgrade version. I now have the full version is there a way i can use that?

Your post:

...to convert FAT16 to FAT32 all you need do is use the util provided by MS "after" you have win98 installed win98 doesnt need FAT32

It would appear you're not reading/understanding/interpreting the original question correctly.

Installed on his PC -- Windows95 Version unknown
He already has -- Windows98 CD Full version
He wants to -- Install Windows 98
Message when he tries to install -- get upgrade version
He does NOT have -- Windows98 CD Upgrade version
Assumption -- he does not want to also purchase Win98 upgrade version
The help/instructions he got -- How to install Win98 Full version
He does NOT mention -- Converting current FAT-16 to FAT-32

Bassvax's post:

...back up the data you want to keep first

Your post:

...after he loses all the files on his HDD after he runs fdisk and delets his primary partition hahaha

Fail to see how yours pertains. Especially fail to see the humor.


Just a few hints:

Read through the posts to follow the progression and always keep to the original question.

Humor is fine, but laughing at a person's predicament is probably not appropriate.

After you post, wait for the screen to refresh and read your own reply for content.

Keep it clear and simple. Leave James Joyce to the college students.

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[This message has been edited by tjaymadison (edited 05-09-2001).]

[AwARe]

ummmm well tj my post was more along the same lines as yours
to quote myself "hmmmm why do i have the feeling after that advice i just read that we wont be hearing back from hnl4ever for at least a day or two after he loses all the files on his HDD after he runs fdisk and delets his primary partition"
Sorry I didnt have time to give him the answers he needed but the body of my letter basically says......"Warning dont run fdisk until you know what youre doing these guys are ummmmm stearing you towards danger" and the second part of my post was to the people who would suggest some guy run fdisk who has no idea what fdisk is..... and i didnt have the time just then to explain to him "properly" how to install win98 from scratch.....but i did tell him "but at any rate if youre still around hnl4ever upgrading sucks backup your data and start from scratch get a good clean fresh install" http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q188/8/81.ASP
heres a site that should help if the topic is still in need of an answer
and by the way why is it you took the time to "bash" on me and ummmm I dont see any suggestions from you that would help that guy? dont be an a**

[AwARe]

I mean read the posts above mine tj! the guy needs to know how to install an OS and all the advice he gets is "Run FDISK" and convert your FAT.......so tell me what is it hes supposed to do after he does that and he has a blank HDD and doesnt know how to install windows?.....thats all I was saying and since i didnt have the time to explain how to install wondows I just tried to save the guy from making a big mistake by getting involved with FDISK til he knew better what he was doing and tried to repair some of the things those guys said so he didnt have bad info.....basically the last thing he needed to know was anything to do with FAT32 have a nice day a**h***...... from my post "to convert FAT16 to FAT32 all you need do is use the util provided by MS "after" you have win98 installed win98 doesnt need FAT32 big "" around AFTER...... me thinks YOU need to read before you open your big dumb mouth
bah screw it............too small a world for so many idiots and a**h***s.......
this advice i see here is like telling a 4 year old, to clean his gun frist remove the bullets.......and in doing so he shoots himself in the head.....woohoo yeah lots of help!

[AwARe]

I mean this is similar to the advice I just read someone give that suggested that upgrading the firmware in one cd burner somehow would effect another cd burner hahaha.............to put it another way lets break it down.............Question: how do I install a full version of win98? answer: Run FDISK Good Luck! hahaha can you not see what my point is there?

[AwARe]

pete added a couple good links to his post but as I said the whole point is.......what was posted was just enough info to get that guy all screwed up......just enough to make him dangerous lmao and I want to add that I posted my first response "just after" I read that post about the firmware and several other posts I saw and I was getting quite.....well im sure you can understand what im saying... it was very late and some of the stuff ive seen here is pretty "stupid".....have a nice day! heh

[AwARe]

maybe i should have just posted......"go to the dos prompt and type in format c:\ and hit enter" If you cant explain the "Entire" process or solution you "Can't" give people partial info...because it ends up causing them more problems then help...............example: to learn how to swim: jump off a cliff into some water..............think about it......

[AwARe]

hmmmm well now.........didnt see the post you put up that already had the link to the how to install windows sorry tj.........but like i said before i read this right after i had just read that other post and many others that were pretty far off, and i guess all i saw was some advice about running fdisk......bah screw it.....Its just I came on here one day to find an answer and I saw all these people needed help and thought id give it a try and then after I saw allot of other bad advice and its gotten me a bit frustrated and now maybe thats all I can see...........maybe I need a break hehe

[AwARe]

hmmmm well now.........didnt see the post you put up that already had the link to the how to install windows sorry tj.........but like i said before i read this right after i had just read that other post and many others that were pretty far off, and i guess all i saw was some advice about running fdisk......bah screw it.....Its just I came on here one day to find an answer and I saw all these people needed help and thought id give it a try and then after I saw allot of other bad advice and its gotten me a bit frustrated and now maybe thats all I can see...........maybe I need a break hehe

[tjaymadison]

AwARe -- My remark about James Joyce stands as written.

You need to browse through some other threads in the Forums
here to get at least a hint about how to respond more clearly.

If you want to rant at me, do so in After Hours, not here. That's more
the place for 'stream-of-consciousness', at which you appear to excel.

I refuse to read gibberish, or posts that are scattered with
'....' and all start with 'hmm....', as will most people here.

Hope you have good luck with your next problem.

id est -- tj

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[Randy_tx]

I cant wait for Pete to weigh in on this........ I'm not sure AWeR2D2 or whatever his name is quite gets it yet
7 back to back posts....might be a record
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[This message has been edited by Randy_tx (edited 05-09-2001).]

[Reid]

Originally posted by bassvax:
You will have to run FDISK also to ensure your partitions are FAT32.

I can't find that being a requirement to install Windows 98 whether full or upgrade version. If Windows converts the drive to FAT 32 during installation, the uninstall capability is gone.

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reido@my-deja.com

Friends don't let friends install Windows ME

[tjaymadison]

Randy -- Was it only seven? Seemed to go on forever, like a broken record.

Maybe you could sell him a keyboard with a working SHIFT KEY and a broken ' . '?

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[mjc]

Here is a page of setup switches that can allow you to do most anything with the Win98 disk, including using the full version to install over Win95.

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[Paleo Pete]

Let's set a couple of things straight:

Sorry I didnt have time to give him the answers he needed but the body of my letter basically says......"Warning dont run fdisk until you know what youre doing these guys are ummmmm stearing you towards danger" and the second part of my post was to the people who would suggest some guy run fdisk who has no idea what fdisk is..... and i didnt have the time just then to explain to him "properly" how to install win98 from scratch.....

But you did somehow find time to post more back-to-back nonsense than anyone has managed so far...fdisk and formatting WILL have to be done, if he wants to install windows without purchasing an upgrade CD. The usage for both is explained fairly well in the links I posted. Running fdisk to check ststus and see what FAT is currently in use is very simple and harmless, as long as no changes are made. If any changes are necessary the links also have exact instructions for doing so.

I mean read the posts above mine tj! the guy needs to know how to install an OS and all the advice he gets is "Run FDISK" and convert your FAT.......so tell me what is it hes supposed to do after he does that and he has a blank HDD and doesnt know how to install windows?.....

Full and easily understandable instructions for installing the OS are also included in the links I posted. Go read them before telling us we haven't answered the question.

basically the last thing he needed to know was anything to do with FAT32 have a nice day a**h***...... from my post "to convert FAT16 to FAT32 all you need do is use the util provided by MS "after" you have win98 installed win98 doesnt need FAT32 big "" around AFTER...... me thinks YOU need to read before you open your big dumb mouth

I always prefer to check/change the FAT if necessary with fdisk, before installing the OS, less chance of corrupting data by changing it after it's already installed. Fdisk works very well, changing it after installing Windows is an invitation to trouble.

ALSO: These people do a great job here and I will not tolerate the type of abusive language and insults I see in this topic. If you don't like what we do or how we do it, this is not the place for you. If you disagree with someone's info you can certainly say so, but insulting them is not acceptible.

The advice given is basically the same we always do in cases like this, fdisk should be run at least to find out what FAT is in use, and the drive will have to be formatted to remove the existing OS so the install program does not find it and tell the user to get an upgrade. If after checking the links provided the person is still unsure, we can give more detailed instructions if necessary, and if a more thorough understanding of the utilities used is needed, we can handle that as well, very easily.

I strongly suggest you read the links we post before trying to tell us we only partially answered a question or accuse us of not offereing sufficient instructions to handle a problem. Everything he/she needs to fdisk if necessary, format and reinstall is in the links I posted, none of your ranting is relevant. If anything IS omitted someone will usually catch it and add it to the topic.

I also suggest you read through the forums as has already been suggested and take note of how things are generally done, this is usually a group effort. Most of these people are usually pretty careful about arranging and phrasing their instructions and advice so that it is understandable and coherent and none of them have shown the flippant attitude I see here. Problems like this are no laughing matter.

As for bad advice, I see very little of it on the PC Guide Forums, these people are some of the best and they do not deserve your derogatory remarks. If you only want to flame people try Yahoo chat or a newsgroup. They see it daily and it will not be tolerated here.

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[Reid]

I may be dense, but I still don't see where 98 must be installed on a FAT32 drive.
http://support.microsoft.com/support...98setuptxt.asp

GENERAL SETUP ISSUES

Upgrade vs. Full install versions of Windows 98. If you have the Upgrade version of Windows 98, Setup will attempt to find a qualifying upgrade product on your system. If Setup fails to find a previous version of Windows, you will be prompted to insert your previous media for proof of compliance.

Typical upgrade from Windows 95:
requires approximately 195 MB of free hard disk space, but may range between 120 MB to 295 MB, depending on your system configuration and the options you choose to install.

Full install of Windows 98 on a FAT16 drive:
requires 225 MB of free hard disk space, but may range between 165-355 MB depending on system configuration and options selected.

Full install of Windows 98 on a FAT32 drive:
requires 175 MB of free hard disk space, but may range between 140 MB - 255 MB, depending on system configuration and options selected.




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reido@my-deja.com

Friends don't let friends install Windows ME

[AwARe]

Woah! I thought I explained........I sorry haha..........I didnt notice tj's link to the How to install windows page and I also tried to explain that it was late and I was getting a bit frustrated at all the misinformation that I "had already read on other posts" and ummm lets say it again "Im Sorry!"............. trouble is here that I missed the link to the How to install page and all I was trying to do "with only a second to type it out was" warn the guy a little so he thought before he ran fdisk.....and then boom tj jumped me and it kinda hit a nerve, and so the ranting began the next morning when i woke up pissed off about some other stuff.....................I read back through the posts and the advice you guys gave and the links were great.....and "Im sorry" I even said a word...please try to understand what Im saying hehehe.......yes he should run fdisk yes you guys gave him the other links he needed to learn how to install the OS...............but just a little tech note and why I posted in the first place............that guy could in fact have simply botted up with a floppy hit format c: went to the d: and hit setup and been fine.......and thats what I would have told him If I had been the first to see his post.........win98 "does not need fat32" you dont need to run fdisk to install an OS and you "can" convert to fat 32 "after you install 98"...........hope this clears it up hehe.....somehow im a feared it may not but ohh well.........

[AwARe]

"that guy could in fact have simply booted up with a floppy hit format c: went to the d: and hit setup and been fine.......and thats what I would have told him If I had been the first to see his post.........win98 "does not need fat32" you dont need to run fdisk to install an OS and you "can" convert to fat 32 "after you install 98"..........."

The reason I say this is because someone that doesnt know how to install an OS is more likely to have "sucess" when its kept simple..........
and since I dont really care no more haha can one of you guys tell me whats the benefit in installing FAT32? other then large disk support? and does this guy even have a disk larger then 2GB? on this old comp thats running 95?........................
I know the answer but I wonder if anyone here does............Just because you can?.......just because its a higher numer? hahahahaha...........
can anyone tell me why this particular guy would "want to install 98"....
since his computer is probably fairly "old" most likely its going to run a "whole lot slower on 98" then it did on 95.....but I guess that doesnt matter?...............

Anyways as to some of the stuff you wrote pete which I didnt read all of before I made that last post "maybe I dont belong here"
and thats probably why I have stayed away from these kinda places for so long anyways............................

At any rate my initial response of "why do I have the feeling we wont be hearing back from this guy for a few days after he runs fdisk" still stands and in fact......has anyone heard from him lmao?..........and all the stuff i wrote after that was an attempt to convey allot of information I didnt have time to type out at that particular moment........and "I Am very Sorry! the way I responded to tj's comments back to me" Latez.........

[AwARe]

and yes REID i dont see why i needs to be either

[AwARe]

mjc thats an awesome link thanks

[AwARe]

In fact, mjc is the only one here that truely answered the initial question.......... Have A Great Day All!