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jeeza

01-27-2004, 04:13 PM

The question is not so dumb as some seem to think.
Could anyone of you define "network support software" ? No ? Well then.
Let's not forget that to a newbie, even though he may know what software is and may even have seen a network in action without realizing it, he may still not know what "network support" is supposed to mean. This is as vague an expression as can be, as so much in IT country.

I didn't not intend to intrude, if that is how you feel about it, sorry ; I just felt I wanted to give my opinion about this...

YODA74

01-27-2004, 05:27 PM

Could anyone of you define "network support software" ? No ? Well then.

oh jeeza h chri$t get off your "high" horse...He got the answer

jeeza

01-27-2004, 06:46 PM

I didn't get on any horse, YODA74... just wanting to state my views.
Actually, if you would permit me, I would like to take this occasion to emphasize again the first point I was trying to make :
"The question is not so dumb as some seem to think."

pentachris

01-27-2004, 07:01 PM

S (http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/n/network.html) T (http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/s/support.html) F (http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/s/software.html) W (http://images.google.com/images?q=obvious)

Abbadon

01-28-2004, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by jeeza
...I would like to take this occasion to emphasize again the first point I was trying to make : "The question is not so dumb as some seem to think."

No one said, or even implied, it was a dumb question. Please point out to me where you see this in those first two posts, because I just don't see it.
Was is the part where I admited to not knowing the answer myself? Or was it the part where Yoda pointed him in the direction of an answer, rather than simply giving it to him? (good reaction of him btw, seeing how this indeed has all the markings of a homework-question, and the point of those is to learn, not to copy).

Nasco

01-28-2004, 11:39 AM

Why dont you peanuts just try and answer the question instead of crapping on?

shanmuga

01-28-2004, 12:12 PM

Troll ? Please don't respond to the last post. :) Nasco ???? won't be back.

Nasco

01-28-2004, 12:18 PM

I don't wnat a reply to my post, numbnuts... I want you tossers to stop the "He said she said" crap and answer the mans question. Some of us are interested in other things.

YODA74

01-28-2004, 12:33 PM

Nasco

I want you tossers to stop the "He said she said" crap and answer the mans question

We answered the persons question gave the leads the person needs to follow up on.(path) this isn't school time we do not do home work we just give you a direction to go in.Simple and to the point. If you want to start a flame war you've picked the right person to do it with but I guarantee it won't last long. IXL,Pete,and MJC will have the final word.

I hate snow days for kids.:mad:

Abbadon

01-28-2004, 12:34 PM

???

The mans question *is* answered. And if you're not interested, what are you even doing here?

Most peculiar behavior...

Nasco

01-28-2004, 12:51 PM

[B]Can some kind person plese give me a definition of:

"Network support software"

Can any of you read??!! Yoda...(couldn't you think of an original name?) giving leads is not the same thing as answering a question.
And all you did, Abbadon, was state the obvious and than say "will have a looksee in some textbooks". So don't tell me the question has been answered. As for what I am doing here? If I have to explain that than I might ask you the same question...

YODA74

01-28-2004, 12:59 PM

Seems your so goddamn smart give us your answer to the question dumb ass

Abbadon

01-28-2004, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Nasco
[B]yadda yadda yadda...So don't tell me the question has been answered.

in fact it was pentachris who gave the aswer (you might want to consider reading the entire thread), which was as correct and complete as anyone might expect given the complicated nature of the question. That's why I didn't follow up with my own answer: pentachris pretty much covered all the bases...

And I'm still wondering what you're doing here.
Besides beeing a funny troll that is.

Fruss Tray Ted

01-28-2004, 01:18 PM

DINGGG!!!
Good evening ladies and gentlemen....

Anyone remember this thread:

http://www.maxboxing.com/Media/espn_155x155.jpg (http://www.pcguide.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16391&highlight=Clash+of+the+geek+titans)

Nasco,
We have many students in here that request a straight answer for their homework. Our policy is to teach them to fish and not just to feed them a fish as the parable goes. This results in their becoming more self sufficient. The above poster's replies were in that fashion.

Yoda,
Go to your corner and count to ten... ;)

DING!

YODA74

01-28-2004, 01:31 PM

Fruss Tray Ted :D

jeeza

01-28-2004, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Abbadon
in fact it was pentachris who gave the aswer (you might want to consider reading the entire thread), which was as correct and complete as anyone might expect given the complicated nature of the question. That's why I didn't follow up with my own answer: pentachris pretty much covered all the bases...
Abbadon, you are turning around in circles... pentachris didn't give the answer, he gave some links.
Furthermore, I think it's quite funny when you say "given the complicated nature of the question". Are you serious ? Come on... :rolleyes:
The question is as simple as can be : he asked for a definition. It's the replies which are complicated.

jeeza

01-28-2004, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Fruss Tray Ted
Nasco,
We have many students in here that request a straight answer for their homework. Our policy is to teach them to fish and not just to feed them a fish as the parable goes. This results in their becoming more self sufficient. The above poster's replies were in that fashion.
Fruss Tray Ted,
Basically you are right and I agree with you, although I feel that if someone is very hungry then it is a little bit cruel to want to first teach him to fish instead of letting him have some sustenance... and then, it still depends on the time you are going to need to teach him how to fish whether your teaching is really a-propos... just my opinion.
As for that link : some funny game seems to have gone on there, but although the posters apparently knew the rules, they are a mystery to me... obviously everyone in that thread had agreed from the start to type every instance of the word "the" in red... but I don't get the point.:confused:

Abbadon

01-28-2004, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by jeeza
Pentachris didn't give the answer, he gave some links.
As far as I'm concerned, the links were a decent answer. If they didn't help him or if he had aditional questions, he's free to post aditional questions. I agree with Fruss Tray Ted in that I'd rather "teach people how to fish, in stead of simply feeding them".

Furthermore, I think it's quite funny when you say "given the complicated nature of the question". Are you serious ? Come on... :rolleyes:
The question is as simple as can be : he asked for a definition. It's the replies which are complicated.
Yes I'm serious. Sometimes I refer to questions with complex answers as beeing complex questions. I sure don't see what's funny about it. As you stated yourself: "network support" is a pretty vague term, hence...

Fruss Tray Ted

01-28-2004, 07:32 PM

Jeeza,
You had to have been there I guess. I'm just trying to referree and keep some posters (and they know who they are... ;) ) from getting another week off without pay...

The red text is generated when a person (myself in this case) uses the 'search' feature within this site (pcguide). Whatever words were in the search field become red in the search finds.

I searched for 'Clash of the geek Titans' so any and all of those words that were in the search fields will be red in all the posts.

And if the thread starter is a student, it would do more harm than good to just give answers without linking to something that may involve some extent of research to find those answers. If they are just looking to cheat, they will only be fooling themselves and I'm not one to approve of the 'dumbing down' of America (any country for that fact). I see all too often students pushed ahead into higher grades with failing scores. The system for whatever reason just can't leave them behind and we end up with graduating classes with a greater percentage of laborers when laboring jobs are dwindling. Education is not something handed to you as you seem to want us to do. It is earned through effort and research.

malcore

01-28-2004, 07:42 PM

This is the strangest thread.

Who is this Nasco fellow?

jeeza , you're so dang contentious and critical, yet offer no answers yourself, instead sidetracking the thread with quibbles.

It is a simple question. One of those questions, however, that is so simple a person convinces himself it must be more complicated.

The answer is as simple as Abbadon first stated, and as simple as pentachris' first three links.

An example may be in order then. Client software, such as Client For Microsoft Networks to support File and Printer Sharing can be considered "Network Support Software." It doesn't end there.

There's a worm to attach to your hook Short-Circuit.;) Happy fishing and good luck with your studies.:)

Fruss Tray Ted

01-28-2004, 08:24 PM

And the worm is edible! :D Hmmm, tastes like chicken...

Nasco

01-29-2004, 01:46 AM

"Seems your so goddamn smart give us your answer to the question dumb ass"

Sigh... Obviously I don't have the answer Yoga, and I am not too proud to admit it, tho I think some people here are. If I did I would have posted it by now and put this discussion to bed. I think you need to take a pill as it would seem you are a bit too uptight.

"Abbadon, you are turning around in circles..."

Not only are turning in circles, you are just repeating yourself and I suppose you don't see whats funny about that either. Still waiting to see what your textbooks had to say...

As for your comments Fruss Tray Ted, if the policy is just to teach people to fish, I have no problem with that. Its just that nowhere does it say that you should not expect or give a staight answer. Its not until you run into the likes of Yoga and repetitious sidekick that you find that out.

Some of you assume too much.

pave_spectre

01-29-2004, 02:09 AM

Just for those few people who clearly need to be spoon fed or have their asses wiped for them:

Network Support Software: Software used to support the operation of a network and/or utilise services provided across a network.

And no I will not provide examples of such software or direct you to where I found that rather oversimplified definition. I just spoon fed you, so you dont get to see the list of ingredients.

Nasco

01-29-2004, 03:17 AM

By now I think the point is moot Pave, but your arrogance is duly noted.
By the way, you wouldn't be from Canberra would you?

Abbadon

01-29-2004, 03:29 AM

This guy is funny, we should take him in as court jester...

Originally posted by Nasco
"Abbadon, you are turning around in circles..."

Not only are turning in circles, you are just repeating yourself and I suppose you don't see whats funny about that either.

If I'm repeating myself, it's only because I'm right.

So there :p

And since you seem to find so much funny-ness in my bevavior, I would encourage you to sit back and enjoy the ride. Laughter is very healthy! :D

Some of you assume too much.
Yes, you do. But it's ok, we love you anyway. Come here and give us a hug... <insert hugging smily here>

Nasco

01-29-2004, 03:38 AM

Well its good to know you do have a sense of humour. Thats a start, but the comebacks do need some work...

pave_spectre

01-29-2004, 06:09 AM

Not even close Nasco, and if you think that was me being arrogant you really have a lot to learn.

But congratulations anyway, I think you deserve a round of applause from everyone. Since it was Short-Curcuits place to indicate whether a reply was considered insufficient or rude for his requirements, not yours, you have the honour of being the first and only member to be deemed worthy of my ignore list.

Enjoy your stay.:)

Abbadon

01-29-2004, 06:33 AM

we have ignore lists on this thing? Sweet holy mother of my neighbours cat! I think I'll go read the faq & such for a change and maybe fiddle around a bit with my cp...

P.S.: this site isn't about comebacks namco, it's about content. Let's see you fork over some eh...?

Nasco

01-29-2004, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by pave_spectre
Just for those few people who clearly need to be spoon fed or have their asses wiped for them:

It would seem you believe that some people are beneath you. Thats arrogance. To what degree is debatable. Your on my buddy list.

And I thought you were starting to like me Abbadon... What about all the hugs and stuff?

Sylvander

01-29-2004, 08:13 AM

I tried looking up my trusty “Dictionary of Computer Terms” and also “PC Hardware and Data Communications Terms” and couldn’t find any specific reference to “Network Support Software”.
The best I could find was:
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“Network Operating System”.
The system of software of a local area network (LAN) that integrates the network’s hardware components, usually adequate for connecting up to 50 workstations. Included, typically, are such features as menu-driven administration interface, tape backup of file server sofware, security restrictions, facilities for sharing printers, central storage of application programs and databases, remote log-in via modem, and support for diskless workstations. A network operating system establishes and maintains the connection between the workstations and the file server; the physical connections alone aren’t sufficient to support networking. The operating system consists of two parts; the file server software and the workstation software.
[See LAN memory management program and NetWare]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So how do the Support Software and the Operating System relate to each other I wonder?

I found a piece on:
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Network Application Support
DEC’s API (that is the development environment) for it’s “Advantage Networks”.
The set of functions that are available to application programs to use the network services.
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Is this of any use at all? [I know nothing about the topic, but I'm willing to learn]

Abbadon

01-29-2004, 08:26 AM

Liking you? hmmmm tricky one.

It's hard to realy, definitly like or dislike someone after only seven posts. I'm one of those people that reserve that kind of judgements until I actually have some info. That's why my ignore list is empty (so is my buddy list btw, I don't need lists to know who my friends are).

However, of the seven posts you've made so far, all but the last one (maybe the last two) have been unnesecary rude (to say the least). You have attacked people on a personal level without cause, and so far contributed nothing of substance to this forum in general, let alone this thread. On those rare occasions when you do adress the content of this thread you... oh wait, that never happened!
All in all, you're acting like a funny little troll screaming for attention. This does not inspire all that many feelings of goodwill (at least as far as I'm concerned), but rather pitty and anoyance.

(P.S.: I didn't mean it about the hugs, I was joking. I do that a lot, better get used to it ;) )

Sylvander

01-29-2004, 08:50 AM

Next I dug out my old book by Microsoft “Introducing Windows 95”.
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Chapter 9 – Networking

Some selected Headings:
Easier Mobile Network Support.

Network Provider Interface: Concurrent Support for Multiple Network Servers.

Installable File System: Support for Multiple Network Redirectors.

NDIS 3.1: Multiple Protocol Support.

Netware 4.x Support.

Protocol Support.

DHCP Support.

WINS Support.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I guess the Support for all these Network Services is provided by that part of the Operating System that deals with Network Connectivity?

Nasco

01-29-2004, 09:08 AM

Absolutley outstanding Sylvander. Thats what I call an answer. No assumtions or judgments made, just info. Well done.

Sorry to make you type that long response Abbadon, I was being sarcastic. Its hard to convey in text. And just when I thought you had developed a sense of humour...

PS: There were shots being fired before I came along, by people no better than me.

Short-Curcuit

01-29-2004, 10:59 AM

Just to let you all know, i figured out the answer to my question a couple of days ago, before i got any good answers, but thanks all the same..

malcore, you were right in saying:

"It is a simple question. One of those questions, however, that is so simple a person convinces himself it must be more complicated."

...Abbadon and Nasco - there's no need to argue. If you didn't know the answer, then you should've just said outright. I appreciate the interest paid to topic.. but please people, chill!

..oh, and Fruss Tray Ted, i'm not cheating - i just needed a bit of help, that's all.. so, calm down and stop acting like Mother Teraisa, m'kay.

Here's the answer i came up with myself:

Network support software: This is software that will allow computers to be linked together to form a network. Windows NT includes integrated support for networking. At least three pieces of driver software are required in Windows to use networking capabilities, which include; a network card driver, the protocol driver, and the network client. Once these drivers are installed, and cabling is in place, Windows can then access the network.

..well, as i said before - thanks for trying to help, but i'm o.k now.. so it would seem all your time arguing was for nothing - you must all be proud.

NOW LETS ALL GET ALONG AND BE FRIENDS!!!

Abbadon

01-29-2004, 11:08 AM

Good. I'm glad you found an answer that suits you. I'm also glad you posted back here to let everyone know about it (people sometimes forget that and that's always a pitty).

sea69

01-29-2004, 10:45 PM

however- Its just that nowhere does it say that you should not expect or give a staight answer.

you sure that isn't YOU Netharam???

:)

I will give the same reply that I gave in the "Titans" post found by our friend ---

Further, let me make this CLEAR-

If a person answers your question here and it is not the answer you are looking for- thank the person for the effort- or say nothing- NEVER- NEVER critisize a person for not giving what you think is an incomplete answer, or if they do not understand your question it is up to YOU to post it in a manner that we CAN understand.

understand??

it was not a "clear and defined" question, therefore it didn't get a clear & defined answer---

our policy on homework (if it appears like homework) is to point the "student" in the right direction so that they may LEARN the answer for themselves.

just my take on it--- see things still get twisted here sometimes--- why I always loved this site- it has personality besides a lot of good folks willing to help.

;)

Abbadon

01-30-2004, 07:48 AM

And as we all know, personality goes a long way... :D

dweeb-beater

01-30-2004, 09:01 AM

I would like to take this occasion to emphasize again the first point I was trying to make : "The question is not so dumb as some seem to think."
Quite true.. in fact it was much MUCH MUCH MUCH dumber.

Greetings nerd geeklings. Thought i smelt dweebs... I can see it's "kiddies corner" around here and thought i'd take teach you all some sense.

I can see one or two sensible replies but mainly crap from a lot of sad greasy nerds, hunched over their keyboards in dark little rooms.

All of you arguing about whos gonna answer the question :rolleyes: HAHAHAHAHAAAA:D :D :cool: I showed my girlfriend and she thinks your all funny too!!

Yawn..... bored already. time for a beer

shanmuga

01-30-2004, 11:44 AM

Troll ? Please don't respond to the last post. Nasco ???? won't be back.IGNOR, IGNOR, IGNOR, IGNORE
Neasca =???????
dwaeb-baeter=??????????

It,s funn for bye-standrs thouh :) Nearinng 500 vus.

Nasco

01-30-2004, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by shanmuga
IGNOR, IGNOR, IGNOR, IGNORE

Oh for crying out loud! Let me introduce myself. I am Nasco. I have been browsing this site for a little while now and am probably what you would call a "newbie" but eager to learn. This site does contain a fair amount of useful information but quite often intermingled with alot of egotistical claptrap. I either find the info I need or not and have never felt the need to post responses or start new threads but I could no longer contain myself. After reading this thread I just felt that some of the wankers out there needed to be brought down a peg or two. They maybe smart wankers but they are wankers just the same. And to make it worse they are hypocritical.
This topic is probably winding down but if further interest is shown, I would be happy to provide examples. Too many people here think their shiit doesn't stink.. but PHEW!!! It does from where I am sitting.